Geordies killed in plane attack

Just read that 2 Newcastle lads on way to see them play in NZ were killed when the pro-Russian separatists shot down the Malaysian plane. RIP lads.

Terrible and shocking

Quoted from Southernboy

Just read that 2 Newcastle lads on way to see them play in NZ [/b]were killed when the pro-Russian separatists shot down the Malaysian plane.[b] RIP lads.

Terrible and shocking

Lets wait for the facts before stating who fired the missile.
So sorry for all the families and friends that have lost loved ones in this terrible crime. RIP all that were onboard the plane.

I don't really care who ticks or crosses my posts or other members posts but how does the beginning of this thread warrant a cross!?? Simply registering some sympathy as to what is an unprecedented event and someone opts to be negative. Shame on you.

Quoted from Kymariner12

I don't really care who ticks or crosses my posts or other members posts but how does the beginning of this thread warrant a cross!?? Simply registering some sympathy as to what is an unprecedented event and someone opts to be negative. Shame on you.

Totally 100% agree with you Ky that it is shameful that someone can find something negative about Southern Boy showing respect for the innocent dead.

Absolutely terrible incident yesterday - whatever caused the plane to crash - so RIP everyone who lost their lives

No matter what their background nobody who boarded that plane yesterday deserved to lose their lives  

its an appaling incident and hope to god they can find out who has done it, thoughts withh all families affected

Quoted from Kymariner12

I don't really care who ticks or crosses my posts or other members posts but how does the beginning of this thread warrant a cross!?? Simply registering some sympathy as to what is an unprecedented event and someone opts to be negative. Shame on you.

If you had just shown your respect to the people that lost their lives instead of adding your statement to who in YOUR mind had shot the plane down you wouldn't have received any crosses. Its a shame you don't really know whats going on in that area of Ukraine and yes before anyone asks I know from first hand,I have just been speaking to my Daughter in floods of tears,she is held up in the middle of this war zone not knowing if the next bomb is going to hit her house and kill her and her husband. Two weeks ago a bomb exploded in her neighbours garden and set fire to her own fencing,I would say thats to close for comfort.We speak to her on Skype every day and you can hear the bombs exploding and machine gun fire all the time,It's bloody scary..
And we argue on here  if we should show a stupid comedy film about Grimsby. Lets get things in to perspective.

I'm sorry to hear about your daughter but the "evidence" as it is and as it's available on BBC etc "suggests" a missile was fired from a "rebel controlled" area. I made no particular judgement although I have my own opinions on Putin.

I was showing respect to the lads hence the post and then added an opinion - I don't apologise for that. As I said, I am sorry your daughter is caught up in what must be a horrendous situation and I am sure you are terribly worried but please don't tell me on what I can or can't say.

Peace brothers and sisters

Southernboy, don't rely solely on the BBC or other Western media for this sort of story. i'm not saying they lie, but they are selective in what they report and have a noted spin on things (yes even the Beeb).

There are lots of incidents in that particular conflict that don't get a mentioning Western media, or only tucked away out of sight.

Even as far back as the winter, the BBC in its wisdom deemed it more important to report a holiday injury to a multi-millionaire ex-racing driver than 2 dozen people getting blown up by terrorists in Volgograd.

It would seem likely that the plane was shot down by the separatists (possibly partially trained by Russian forces) in an almighty member-up.

The Ukrainians haven't shot down any planes (as the separatists don't have any and shooting at the Russians would be nuts), whereas the separatists have downed a number of Ukrainian aircraft, albeit at low altitude.

Unfortunately, I think it's just a case of massive member-up, but I'd have to question why the flight path for civilian aircraft hadn't been diverted away from that part of the Ukraine?

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Southernboy, don't rely solely on the BBC or other Western media for this sort of story. i'm not saying they lie, but they are selective in what they report and have a noted spin on things (yes even the Beeb).

There are lots of incidents in that particular conflict that don't get a mentioning Western media, or only tucked away out of sight.

Even as far back as the winter, the BBC in its wisdom deemed it more important to report a holiday injury to a multi-millionaire ex-racing driver than 2 dozen people getting blown up by terrorists in Volgograd.

That is not so much news bias as news interest.  Media in the west is driven by open market forces meaning that a news story will be covered if their is more interest in it.  Sadly more people were interested in Micheal Schumacher having a skiing accident than a terrorist attack that does not effect "westerners" so it received more coverage.  This also means the press will cover more sensationalist news, for example during the Westgate terror attacks in Kenya last year where 67 people died there were 2 coordinated bomb attacks in Pakistan that killed over 80 people.  The Pakistan attack was barley mentioned while the gunmen attack, a more unusual and sensational story, was covered extensively.  As a result the ongoing war in Ukraine at the moment is not seen as an important issue until a plane is shot down carrying lots of westerners, now the press are interested in the story because people are interested in the story again and want to know what happened.  

This will not effect the truth which will eventually come out if for no other reason than western governments are useless at keeping secrets, while it is to early to say conclusively the evidence so far is pointing to the pro-Russian (unintentionally as there is no way they would of wanted to bring down a passenger jet!) side being to blame but hopefully this will become more clear over time.  

Either way this is a tragedy of great proportions and that should not be lost sight of.  On the particular case of the 2 geordies in the title of this thread I always have an extra shock moment when football fans die following their team as it is something I do myself, although Town give us little reason to fly anywhere.  I hope the Newcastle players and club as a whole continue to pay them and their families a strong tribute.