Geordies killed in plane attack

I shall leave this debate to others obviously more politically astute for a while, and return to the theme of the original thread if i may, and inform that the Sunderland fans have now raised 25k. A tremendous effort in just a short while. This information comes direct from the BBC so can we all assume this is true, or is it a biased report?

As can be seen by the many viewpoints expressed on here the Ukraine is a complex place, and the shooting down of MH17 a complex issue. First of all, as a football fan, like all other fans I feel for the families of the dead. There but for the grace of God....

What does upset me, and it's been alluded to on here by a number of people as well, are a number of things

1. The response of the West, especially the United States - who have previous in this kind of thing. Remember them shooting down a plane somewhere in the Gulf area in the late 1980's?

2. The likes of Cameron demanding action against Russia and Putin in particular. As of yet, despite what appears at the moment to be gross mismanagement of the situation by Putin, there's nothing that has determined that Russia are to blame. They may be to blame, but for Cameron to come out and  be so forthright about it, probably because we have a general election next year and the Tory press will love it smacks of political opportunism of the very worst kind.

3. Selective morals shown by the BBC, and western governments. Whilst there's no doubting the shooting down of the plane is a terrible thing, and 80 children died because of it, there's not one of the sabre rattling politicos doing anything like that with the amount of Palestinian children murdered by the Israelis in the last few weeks, which is now far greater than the 80 children on board MH17.

Hopefully things will get sorted out soon, not least of all the families being able to get their loved ones back so they can bury them. Football, for me, in this instance is meaningless.

Spot on Jock

Quoted from jock dock tower

As can be seen by the many viewpoints expressed on here the Ukraine is a complex place, and the shooting down of MH17 a complex issue. First of all, as a football fan, like all other fans I feel for the families of the dead. There but for the grace of God....

What does upset me, and it's been alluded to on here by a number of people as well, are a number of things

1. The response of the West, especially the United States - who have previous in this kind of thing. Remember them shooting down a plane somewhere in the Gulf area in the late 1980's?

2. The likes of Cameron demanding action against Russia and Putin in particular. As of yet, despite what appears at the moment to be gross mismanagement of the situation by Putin, there's nothing that has determined that Russia are to blame. They may be to blame, but for Cameron to come out and  be so forthright about it, probably because we have a general election next year and the Tory press will love it smacks of political opportunism of the very worst kind.

3. Selective morals shown by the BBC, and western governments. Whilst there's no doubting the shooting down of the plane is a terrible thing, and 80 children died because of it, there's not one of the sabre rattling politicos doing anything like that with the amount of Palestinian children murdered by the Israelis in the last few weeks, which is now far greater than the 80 children on board MH17.

Hopefully things will get sorted out soon, not least of all the families being able to get their loved ones back so they can bury them. Football, for me, in this instance is meaningless.

A good post Jock.  
Come election day Camerons statements  may come back and bite him on the bum if he's got it all wrong.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Anyway, sorry for jumping onto one of my hobby horses folks!

I got side-tracked from the main issue of 300 innocent people being shot from the skies.

On that subject I will say with some certainty that had the unfortunate passengers been American there would have been hell to play, and their presence on the scene would have been almost instant whatever the threats or costs, in these matters they have backbone.