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With the Trust having two members on the GTFC board does this give the Trust 2 votes when the board make certain decisions or just 1 vote as they both represent the Trust?

Will they be canvassing the opinion of Trust members re their support (or not) for Paul Hurst to continue as manager or are they just going to go with what they themselves think is best / vote the way they are told by JF when it comes to the nitty gritty?

I can't answer for the Trust representatives, but my best guess if all the Trust members were to vote right now on whether to sack Hurst it would be, rightly or wrongly, an overwhelming response of "No. After just 3 games it's too early."

Quoted from MeanwoodMariner

I can't answer for the Trust representatives.

Well why answer at all??????

Quoted from TAGG

Well why answer at all??????

Err, there was a second line to my post you clown!!

For clarification:
The OP's question is clearly implying that he thinks most Trust members now want Hurst removed, but the likes of BigChris will ignore that opinion or just do as Fenty tells them, ie keep Hurst.

I'm saying I doubt very much most Trust members would vote to sack Hurst at this stage and the whole point of the original question is flawed.

Quoted from Quagmire

With the Trust having two members on the GTFC board does this give the Trust 2 votes when the board make certain decisions or just 1 vote as they both represent the Trust?

Will they be canvassing the opinion of Trust members re their support (or not) for Paul Hurst to continue as manager or are they just going to go with what they themselves think is best / vote the way they are told by JF when it comes to the nitty gritty?

Like all fans they will debate the club and it's staff ad nauseam.

All members of the board are able to table an item to be considered and it's one man one vote.

If your asking will there be a referendum of the trust, absolutely not.

The GTFC board have all of the facts before them, some of which aren't not public domain. They will make, as always the best decision they can based on information before them.

Quoted from MeanwoodMariner

For clarification:
The OP's question is clearly implying that he thinks most Trust members now want Hurst removed, but the likes of BigChris will ignore that opinion or just do as Fenty tells them, ie keep Hurst.

I'm saying I doubt very much most Trust members would vote to sack Hurst at this stage and the whole point of the original question is flawed.

Where have I said that I think "most Trust members now want Hurst removed"?  I've not implied that in the slightest!

And to say the original question is flawed is absolute rubbish!

The Trust have 2 members on the GTFC board - does this give them 2 votes or just 1 when it comes to making certain decisions?  That's a fairly straightforward question in my book.

And, if there is a point that Hurst's job comes up for discussion/decision, would they canvass the opinion of Trust members and represent the views of members and vote accordingly or is it simply a case of them voting the way they feel, even if it isn't representative of the other Trust members - whether that is to continue to support PH as manager or not?

Quoted from Getyourfactsright

Like all fans they will debate the club and it's staff ad nauseam.

All members of the board are able to table an item to be considered and it's one man one vote.

If your asking will there be a referendum of the trust, absolutely not.

The GTFC board have all of the facts before them, some of which aren't not public domain. They will make, as always the best decision they can based on information before them.

Thanks for the reply, genuinely appreciated.

I wasn't sure if the 2 Trust guys both had a vote or if they had just a single vote as they are merely representing a single block of shares.

Quoted from Quagmire

Where have I said that I think "most Trust members now want Hurst removed"?  I've not implied that in the slightest!

And to say the original question is flawed is absolute rubbish!

The Trust have 2 members on the GTFC board - does this give them 2 votes or just 1 when it comes to making certain decisions?  That's a fairly straightforward question in my book.

And, if there is a point that Hurst's job comes up for discussion/decision, would they canvass the opinion of Trust members and represent the views of members and vote accordingly or is it simply a case of them voting the way they feel, even if it isn't representative of the other Trust members - whether that is to continue to support PH as manager or not?

Fine. The "will they just do what Fenty tells them" line made me sceptical of your completely innocent questions but I'm glad you now have the answers you were looking for.

Quoted from MeanwoodMariner

Err, there was a second line to my post you clown!!

For clarification:
The OP's question is clearly implying that he thinks most Trust members now want Hurst removed, but the likes of BigChris will ignore that opinion or just do as Fenty tells them, ie keep Hurst.

I'm saying I doubt very much most Trust members would vote to sack Hurst at this stage and the whole point of the original question is flawed.

Like I say don't bother answering if a question is for BC/Trust

Quoted from TAGG

Like I say don't bother answering if a question is for BC/Trust

I'll post on any thread I like thanks.

Quoted from MeanwoodMariner

I'll post on any thread I like thanks.

Quoted from Getyourfactsright

Like all fans they will debate the club and it's staff ad nauseam.

All members of the board are able to table an item to be considered and it's one man one vote.

If your asking will there be a referendum of the trust, absolutely not.

The GTFC board have all of the facts before them, some of which aren't not public domain. They will make, as always the best decision they can based on information before them

john in all seriousness are you not in the slightest bit concerned that our manager is making some bizarre decisions ?

Or if his decisions arent troubling you what about the fact we are very negative in our approach under paul..

Or if that doesnt trouble you how about the fact we seem happy to take a point at home to lets face it teams we should be beating, cast your mind back to last season when woking were in town for one..

Or if that doesnt trouble you how about the fact that he has had a good crack at making us fans gain false hope for nearly 4 years since he has been involved..

Or maybe just the fact while he is in charge our great club will start seeing 2000 fans in blundell park very sharpish.

2 seasons in the playoffs - most fans would love to make playoffs regardless of the league they are in!

3 unbeaten games into the season and some planks calling for his head? - like i said unbeaten, its not like we lost 3 is it.

Half the team missing for one reason or other.

Get a grip, we could get rid of paul Hurst and get someone in thta will give us a mid table finish at best.
Ok his teams arent the most exciting but at least they end the season in the right area of the league table.

Quoted from MeanwoodMariner

I can't answer for the Trust representatives, but my best guess if all the Trust members were to vote right now on whether to sack Hurst it would be, rightly or wrongly, an overwhelming response of "No. After just 3 games it's too early."

Actually, I hope the overwhelming response would be, "No. After just 3 games and still without a defeat, it would be absolutely bloody ridiculous to sack the manager."

I see John has already answered the one board member one vote question although i would suspect anything  rarely comes down to a vote?

The Trust board discuss various matters on a regular basis so that the representatives are armed with the general view but i cannot see a way the Trust would be canvassing its members to decide to sack the manager

80% on here want  to see the back of Hurst, not because they dont like him personaly, but because they dont believe he is the man to do the job. of course some will say that that is only the view of fishy voters, but i believe that that would be the view of many fans. There is fast coming a time when someone will ask for a vote on this matter, or other matters and it is the job of the elected reps on the board to carry out that wish weather they agree or not . i hope it does not come to that and things turn around on the pitch or he resigns.

Quoted from denni266

80% on here want  to see the back of Hurst, not because they dont like him personaly, but because they dont believe he is the man to do the job. of course some will say that that is only the view of fishy voters, but i believe that that would be the view of many fans. There is fast coming a time when someone will ask for a vote on this matter, or other matters and it is the job of the elected reps on the board to carry out that wish weather they agree or not . i hope it does not come to that and things turn around on the pitch or he resigns.

Do they? Can't say I want to see the back of him after 3 games! I'm sure I'm not the only one!

UTM

Quoted from gtfc98

Do they? Can't say I want to see the back of him after 3 games! I'm sure I'm not the only one!

UTM

You're not....

I don't want him sacked either. Would be lunacy three games into the season.

Quoted from barralad

You're not....

But it's not three games barra is it?

We've been going downhill from last Christmas , that's when myself and the other six or seven planks have been calling for change.

I do think that we've got a better squad this season than last, but paul hurst hasn't got a clue on how to get the best out of these players.

So it's not just three games, it's been a lot longer as you know

Quoted from gtfc98

Do they? Can't say I want to see the back of him after 3 games! I'm sure I'm not the only one!

UTM

I assume Denni266 is referencing the poll on the homepage which has 75% of the 677 'votes' in favour of sacking Hurst, it's not some number that he's just decided to pluck out of the air.

With regard to BigChris's comment "The Trust board discuss various matters on a regular basis so that the representatives are armed with the general view but i cannot see a way the Trust would be canvassing its members to decide to sack the manager"  

The point I was attempting to get across was if the Trust are there to represent the views of Trust members then how can they represent those views if they don't ask for them?  

If there comes a day when the board have to vote re retaining PH or going another route, how can the 2 Trust reps represent the views of Trust members if they don't have that information to hand?

Quoted from denni266

80% on here want  to see the back of Hurst, not because they dont like him personaly, but because they dont believe he is the man to do the job. of course some will say that that is only the view of fishy voters, but i believe that that would be the view of many fans. There is fast coming a time when someone will ask for a vote on this matter, or other matters and it is the job of the elected reps on the board to carry out that wish weather they agree or not . i hope it does not come to that and things turn around on the pitch or he resigns.

It's not 80% on here at all, for a start the poll is 75%, and, that is three quarters of the people that have voted.
What you should've said was that 75% of the people that have voted want him dismissed.
That could be a very small proportion of the people actually on the fishy.
You really are miles off.

UTM

Quoted from BIGChris

I see John has already answered the one board member one vote question although i would suspect anything  rarely comes down to a vote?

The Trust board discuss various matters on a regular basis so that the representatives are armed with the general view but i cannot see a way the Trust would be canvassing its members to decide to sack the manager

Out of interest how often do the trust hold members meetings so the feelings of the wider membership, not just the trust board, can be aired and considered?

This is ridiculous, things have not gone well so far this season, but we are only three games in to it.
I for one think the squad looks stronger than last season.
Get a grip some of you.

Quoted from NorthseaMariner

This is ridiculous, things have not gone well so far this season, but we are only three games in to it.
I for one think the squad looks stronger than last season.
Get a grip some of you.

Seriously....how can the squad look stronger when after 2 weeks we are looking for a third loanee?
If the squad was stronger we wouldnt need loanees at all would we?

The Aswadgate affair being the latest example, despite having a senior player on the books who can easily cover left back and a senior back up at right back and another young pro who can cover right back as well as a young pro who could also cover left back he is foraying into the loan market instead.

Ok, squad may not be stronger in depth, but, to me the team looks better.

Quoted from Quagmire

I assume Denni266 is referencing the poll on the homepage which has 75% of the 677 'votes' in favour of sacking Hurst, it's not some number that he's just decided to pluck out of the air.

With regard to BigChris's comment "The Trust board discuss various matters on a regular basis so that the representatives are armed with the general view but i cannot see a way the Trust would be canvassing its members to decide to sack the manager"  

The point I was attempting to get across was if the Trust are there to represent the views of Trust members then how can they represent those views if they don't ask for them?  

If there comes a day when the board have to vote re retaining PH or going another route, how can the 2 Trust reps represent the views of Trust members if they don't have that information to hand?

You've also got to take into account that 40% of those who voted are morons.

Quoted from gtfc98

You've also got to take into account that 40% of those who voted are morons.

And that includes all the 25% who voted for Hurst to stay.  

Personally I'd give till his full squad is available. Still believe he runs a far too defensive set up at home.
Too deep, no width upfront, no taking on full backs, no pulled back balls for theforwards, not enough shots on goal.....and so on.

Despite me thinking PH should have gone at some point last season, i accepted the fact that he had been given the green light to carry on and i think having made that decision, he has to be given at least 12 games to get some momentum going.

I'm not a fan but he may get us firing yet.

The addition of pacy players to the squad should allow us a more attacking bent at home. Unfortunately, they were all injured (or not nearly fit enough to start) for the first two home games of the season.

Let's see what happens when they return.

Quoted from ginnywings

Despite me thinking PH should have gone at some point last season, i accepted the fact that he had been given the green light to carry on and i think having made that decision, he has to be given at least 12 games to get some momentum going.

I'm not a fan but he may get us firing yet.

This is my opinion too. Give the players time to come back from injury and get playing before we make any decisions.

Quoted from StiggsGTFC

And that includes all the 25% who voted for Hurst to stay.  

Personally I'd give till his full squad is available. Still believe he runs a far too defensive set up at home.
Too deep, no width upfront, no taking on full backs, no pulled back balls for theforwards, not enough shots on goal.....and so on.

To be fair to Hurst the main players he has available for that (Nielson, Macreth and Arnold) have all been unavailable so far!

Quoted from Quagmire

I assume Denni266 is referencing the poll on the homepage which has 75% of the 677 'votes' in favour of sacking Hurst, it's not some number that he's just decided to pluck out of the air.

With regard to BigChris's comment "The Trust board discuss various matters on a regular basis so that the representatives are armed with the general view but i cannot see a way the Trust would be canvassing its members to decide to sack the manager"  

The point I was attempting to get across was if the Trust are there to represent the views of Trust members then how can they represent those views if they don't ask for them?  

If there comes a day when the board have to vote re retaining PH or going another route, how can the 2 Trust reps represent the views of Trust members if they don't have that information to hand?

This

Since when did The Fishy (or the members of The Fishy) represent all GTFC fans? I suspect the vast majority of Town fans neither use this website or have probably even heard of it. 75% of people who voted in a survey, which is easily rigged, is meaningless.

Supporters will vote with their feet, not with their keyboards.

Quoted from bax

Since when did The Fishy (or the members of The Fishy) represent all GTFC fans? I suspect the vast majority of Town fans neither use this website or have probably even heard of it. 75% of people who voted in a survey, which is easily rigged, is meaningless.

Supporters will vote with their feet, not with their keyboards.

No:- THIS!!! Denni226

Quoted from ackomariner

But it's not three games barra is it?

We've been going downhill from last Christmas , that's when myself and the other six or seven planks have been calling for change.

I do think that we've got a better squad this season than last, but paul hurst hasn't got a clue on how to get the best out of these players.

So it's not just three games, it's been a lot longer as you know

He hasn't had his full squad to work with yet. Until that point, we can't fully judge. Admittedly, he's not made the best, in my opinion, of what he's had to work with so far and has seemed to be tactically naive at best but I will reserve judgement until he gets his best XI out.

In 2008 did we not sack Alan Buckley after only a handful of games - and look where we went from then!  Was that not the start of fall towards eventually ended up where we are, an ex Football League club.
We have to be more patient and take stock again after 10 games, given the injuries, suspensions and being able to get that vital striker so far, it's been hard.  What it showed me is that without our pace players it's very difficult to get through defence minded teams.  Surely with 2 of our wide men back and having Pitman to pick when he's fully fit things will get better.  I too feel that the squad is better than last season and we went close last season, so expect us to end higher.

We all must realise that we are not a centrally located club and many players do not want to come here and that's why we have not got that striker yet.  Maybe PH has decided to wait until the right striker will consider Grimsby on the East Coast and feels that he can make do with what we have until then.  TBF I was happy with him keeping hold of our key players  and the signings of Brown, Toto, Arnold and Jack the lad, but had hoped for another striker but it clearly isn't that easy these days.

What is clear that after ten games we don't need to be top as last year I believe Luton only won 2 of their first 10 games ( think I heard that somewhere) so I think it's far too early to consider sacking PH.  I'm sure things will improve and as a fan I for one will be getting behind my team!

Quoted from mariner91

He hasn't had his full squad to work with yet. Until that point, we can't fully judge. Admittedly, he's not made the best, in my opinion, of what he's had to work with so far and has seemed to be tactically naive at best but I will reserve judgement until he gets his best XI out.

This!  whatever has gone on before (positives) playoffs etc,  or (negatives) failure to win said playoffs and players sent off or suspended when required at the seasons start, the truth is we are where we are three games into the season with no losses fielding a depleted team.

I share the thoughts quoted above and think it would simply be a knee jerk reaction to risk a change of manager now

Quoted from gtfc98

To be fair to Hurst the main players he has available for that (Nielson, Macreth and Arnold) have all been unavailable so far!

Hi GtFC,   agree that we need to have all players back before judgement is made, I still fear though that the managers inclination is "not to concede" rather than "get two or three goals in front"......

Still playing far too deep at home for me......lets the opposing back four have far too much time on the ball, rather than us pushing on and closing all the space down....

Quoted from StiggsGTFC

Hi GtFC,   agree that we need to have all players back before judgement is made, I still fear though that the managers inclination is "not to concede" rather than "get two or three goals in front"......

Still playing far too deep at home for me......lets the opposing back four have far too much time on the ball, rather than us pushing on and closing all the space down....

Playing too deep? We were camped in Nuneaton's half most of the game and had long periods of forward possession against Dover just didn't have the nous or skill in wide areas to break through.  

True oldun but tbh I do agree with him in a way.

Think we're too slow to push up in support in attack and even when Dover had a throw in we were shifting backwards perhaps faster than we should instead of pushing up on them.

Just something I noticed, maybe something to work on. Not expecting perfection at this stage of the season with so new players.