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As an exile from GY of thirty years I still find myself defending and proclaiming the natural freindliness, despite the Towns problems, of the people. It appears that quite a high percentage on this message board either:- aren't representative of the average Grimbarian, or my exile has left me sadly out of touch. A constructive argument should be precisely that, consideration of anothers views while countering with your own well thought out response. Is it therefore possible for the normally rational to respond without abuse or trying to ridicule using percieved intelligence as a tool? After all, anyone can appear intelligent in type!
On to the in/out and favourites argument. My opinion for what it's worth (feel free to counter) is that we continue to under-perform given the resource and quality at the clubs disposal. Under performance is corrosive and is detrimental to the long term success of the club as both a leisure outlet and a business enterprise. The issue is that the 'voice of the Customer', evident at matches and social medium, isn't being listened to or countered with factual evidence. I suspect like most people, I long ago accepted that we have no divine right to expect success and that there are inevitably periods at any club where aspirations aren't met. It's simply been too long at BP since anyones aspirations have been met. I therefore urge the board to carry out a rapid appraisal of the likelihood of success under the current managerial setup and act accordingly on their findings.
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Great post - in essence the customer is king, the same as in any other business involved in the entertainment industry. |
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So if your not in the rose tinted camp and can see Town are in trouble your moaning.
What a load of boll0cks you spout.
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As an exile from GY of thirty years I still find myself defending and proclaiming the natural freindliness, despite the Towns problems, of the people. It appears that quite a high percentage on this message board either:- aren't representative of the average Grimbarian, or my exile has left me sadly out of touch. A constructive argument should be precisely that, consideration of anothers views while countering with your own well thought out response. Is it therefore possible for the normally rational to respond without abuse or trying to ridicule using percieved intelligence as a tool? After all, anyone can appear intelligent in type!
On to the in/out and favourites argument. My opinion for what it's worth (feel free to counter) is that we continue to under-perform given the resource and quality at the clubs disposal. Under performance is corrosive and is detrimental to the long term success of the club as both a leisure outlet and a business enterprise. The issue is that the 'voice of the Customer', evident at matches and social medium, isn't being listened to or countered with factual evidence. I suspect like most people, I long ago accepted that we have no divine right to expect success and that there are inevitably periods at any club where aspirations aren't met. It's simply been too long at BP since anyones aspirations have been met. I therefore urge the board to carry out a rapid appraisal of the likelihood of success under the current managerial setup and act accordingly on their findings.
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My opinion for what it's worth (feel free to counter) is that we continue to under-perform given the resource and quality at the clubs disposal.
I would counter that due to the appaling injury situation we've been suffering, the amount of available quality has been significantly reduced (see YTS on bench) and the amount of under-performance therefore been grossly exagerrated (even by 3000 frustrated souls) probably due to the frustration of not winning previous games.
The issue is that the 'voice of the Customer', evident at matches and social medium, isn't being listened to or countered with factual evidence.
With all due respect guess you can't have been reading the very many reasoned arguments on the forum or listening to the manager or RH very much then ! |
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I would counter that due to the appaling injury situation we've been suffering, the amount of available quality has been significantly reduced (see YTS on bench) and the amount of under-performance therefore been grossly exagerrated (even by 3000 frustrated souls) probably due to the frustration of not winning previous games.
80s why were we under performing after Christmas last season when he had his full squad to chose from. Ph said again before this season started that we've got a smaller squad, but better quality. So I'm not having all these excuses anymore about injuries , suspensions, bla,bla,bla...... If the young first team pros aren't going to be played, why sign them on pro forms? At the end of the day we've got the players but ph in his wisdom won't put them in |
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80s why were we under performing after Christmas last season when he had his full squad to chose from.
From memory and without looking at the fixture list (wasn't working on the OS for 13/14 when I last tried !), guessing a combination of massive fixture backlog and perhaps "Don't take more risks than you need to to get into the playoffs" Hursty type thing. PS I'm assuming you're right that we were under performing by the way !
Ph said again before this season started that we've got a smaller squad, but better quality. So I'm not having all these excuses anymore about injuries , suspensions, bla,bla,bla......
Sorry you've lost me. It's the QUALITY (Arnold, Pittman, Neilson etc) we've been missing ?
If the young first team pros aren't going to be played, why sign them on pro forms? At the end of the day we've got the players but ph in his wisdom won't put them in
Generally with you on this one ! I thought Winfarrah should have played too but perhaps there are good reasons he didn't. Perhaps wing back needs different skills to left back or he was saving him for future games at left back ? Or maybe he's mainly focusing on coaching the lad to develop to make the club a few quid long term ? Anyway it's all speculation, guess the reasons might come out in the wash at some point. (wish they would !) I certainly want us to trust youth more at 1st team level whenever possible because I think it could help them develop. |
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80s why were we under performing after Christmas last season when he had his full squad to chose from.
Ph said again before this season started that we've got a smaller squad, but better quality. So I'm not having all these excuses anymore about injuries , suspensions, bla,bla,bla......
If the young first team pros aren't going to be played, why sign them on pro forms? At the end of the day we've got the players but ph in his wisdom won't put them in
Are you suffering from selective memory? Firstly:- The same manager was in charge of a team that from September through to 4:45 on January 5 performed generally very well (I'll gloss over Halifax away  ) including beating two league teams in the FA Cup and pushing another one pretty close. Secondly:- I would suggest that the fixture congestion at least had a bearing on our dip in form. We played 15 games in 49 days during March and April. There was a vociferous debate on here around that time about playing the same team for most of those games and Hurst was hammered when he played some fringe players away at Dartford TWO days before another game. Thirdly:- You cannot possibly be serious about your comment "I'm not having this about injuries suspensions etc." We have had the majority of our attack minded players injured at the same time. Teams a lot higher up the pyramid would struggle to cope with the loss of two forwards and a speedy winger. |
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Don't you mean 2 speedy wingers (Mackreth, Arnold) barra ?
[Before anyone says Winfarrah, you generally need 1 winger each side]
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So what's your gripe then ?
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From memory and without looking at the fixture list (wasn't working on the OS for 13/14 when I last tried !), guessing a combination of massive fixture backlog and perhaps "Don't take more risks than you need to to get into the playoffs" Hursty type thing.
PS I'm assuming you're right that we were under performing by the way !
Sorry you've lost me.
It's the QUALITY (Arnold, Pittman, Neilson etc) we've been missing ?
Generally with you on this one !
I thought Winfarrah should have played too but perhaps there are good reasons he didn't.
Perhaps wing back needs different skills to left back or he was saving him for future games at left back ?
Or maybe he's mainly focusing on coaching the lad to develop to make the club a few quid long term ?
Anyway it's all speculation, guess the reasons might come out in the wash at some point. (wish they would !)
I certainly want us to trust youth more at 1st team level whenever possible because I think it could help them develop.
How about the season before when Scott n Hurst started the great non-scoring striker experiment. Seen nothing to change my first impression since that game at Dartford. |
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) including beating two league teams in the FA Cup and pushing another one pretty close.