Well done players and gaffer

Full credit to the players for a battling point, could have been 3 as we know but in the circumstances we have to be happy! All us fans should we be saying a big well done! Onwards and upwards to saturday, the key now, more than ever! CONSISTENCY

Zzzz yay well done lads!!!!!!! FFS did you go? We was garbage most of the time. Yeah we huffed and puffed but it's not good enough. Why the intercourse do we keep accepting failure?? PH is inconsistent. His managerial reign has proved this and I can't see it changing.


Ouch ouch wants that pain in my ear???? Oh Paul is on the radio!!

No i didnt, but jesus mate we've got a depeleted squad and we've gone away to a very tough place and by all accounts have played well? Its an opinion, and i think in this instance we should give the lads some credit

Quoted from Hagrid

Full credit to the players for a battling point, could have been 3 as we know but in the circumstances we have to be happy! All us fans should we be saying a big well done! Onwards and upwards to saturday, the key now, more than ever! CONSISTENCY

Given the start we made I agree with you totally Hagrid

Can't rest on our laurels of course but a good solid point tonight

It'll make my night cap a bit more bearable - not quite a celebration but at least I won't be drowning my sorrows which could have been on the cards if we'd failed to turn up tonight

Quoted from Mariner21

Zzzz yay well done lads!!!!!!! FFS did you go? We was garbage most of the time. Yeah we huffed and puffed but it's not good enough. Why the intercourse do we keep accepting failure?? PH is inconsistent. His managerial reign has proved this and I can't see it changing.


Ouch ouch wants that pain in my ear???? Oh Paul is on the radio!!

Good point with only 1 fit striker

Gained a point on Barnet too down to 9 points utm

Its a point at halifax which leaves us 14th in the league..

Lets keep it in perspective, hardly champagne popping.

Quoted from zorro_is_a_Mariner

Gained a point on Barnet too down to 9 points utm

That team that owned us in the first half on Saturday won yet again though.

4 points out of 15, if we get a draw on Saturday everyone will be going mad at how well we are doing still... 5 out of 18.... relegation form.

Quoted from jonnyboy82

Its a point at halifax which leaves us 14th in the league..

Lets keep it in perspective, hardly champagne popping.

13th Jonny - keep up!  

And until tonight Halifax hadn't dropped a point at home so not all bad this evening eh?  

Given the way the game started, that was probably a point earned rather than two dropped.

Although, having said that, I think tonight's game summed up our season so far - looked great in parts but didn't score during our best spells, and then creaked at the back when the opposition had a go.

Also, if Scott Neilson doesn't perform, the whole team doesn't perform. It's been like this since he joined the club. He tails off after Christmas, as does the whole team because, like Halifax did in the second half, the opposition realise he's the one they should mark out of the game.

We need a plan B when Neilson is subdued.

It's a good point all things considered but the fact we are celebrating a point at Halifax just emphasises how far we have fallen under this regime.

Quoted from jonnyboy82

Its a point at halifax which leaves us 14th in the league..

Lets keep it in perspective, hardly champagne popping.

13th. Gone above Lincoln on goal difference. which is something. A very small something but hey ho!

good point tonight. played well and dominated  a lot of the time acording to commentary . so well played lads.   but like jonnyboy said, its not champers time by a long way.

Quoted from denni266

good point tonight. played well and dominated  a lot of the time acording to commentary . so well played lads.   but like jonnyboy said, its not champers time by a long way.

Maybe it's not but I'll be having a wee dram before I head off to the land of nod and it's going to be all the better for us having picked up a point

Cheers everyone.....so much better than jeers every time!  

Have been out all evening in a mobile phone blackspot, so just raced up to the computer to check the score. Was extremely relieved to see we fought back from a goal behind tonight to take a point. I think given the position of Halifax at the moment, I would have gladly settled for a point so I'm glad that's what we managed. UTM.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

It's a good point all things considered but the fact we are celebrating a point at Halifax just emphasises how far we have fallen under this regime.

I don't understand comments like these. Halifax are up there in the play-offs. It may be because I'm not a life long football fan but I simply don't see the histories of teams (be they long and illustrious, or short and average) as meaning anything - at the end of the day, all it comes down to the fact we're in the same league, and they're doing better than us. This 'regime' is different to the one that got us here and now we're trying to get out of it. This 'regime' is doing no worse than those that have come before it in the last couple of years. In fact this 'regime' got us further last season than we've gotten in several years.

So I'd argue we haven't fallen under this 'regime' -  we just haven't gone anywhere better. Yet.

people on here happy with a point, ffs the season's over

Who said anything about champagne or celebrating ? We're just saying, to get a point away at Halifax is a good achievement

I'm not getting the bunting out just yet.

Quoted from Bruce Springsteen

people on here happy with a point, ffs the season's over

I take it we wont be seeing you on here until next season then ?

Can anyone remember what system Halifax played against us when they thrashed us last season there?

EDIT:  Nevermind found it, 4-5-1

"Boo we're excrement and won't get anything out of tonight!"

"Boo! A points not good enough we're excrement!"

The players gave everything and they played to the strengths of the people on the pitch. Halifax were going to win everything in the air so Town had to pass the ball and they did so superbly on occasions with Neilson at the heart of everything. There was no way that was a team who have lost faith in the manager.

Quoted from GrimRob

The players gave everything and they played to the strengths of the people on the pitch. Halifax were going to win everything in the air so Town had to pass the ball and they did so superbly on occasions with Neilson at the heart of everything. There was no way that was a team who have lost faith in the manager.

Rob its not the players who have lost faith but many of us fans. A good result tonight and interesting point on another thread that if some golden chances had been taken, including tonight, how different things may look. From feedback tonight it appears we had the most success when we played it on the floor and that is the style, supported by the briefly seen pressing game, that will bring us success. I would like to see Pitman and Arnold down the centre playing this style but said after the Dover game that I did not think PH would ever go down that route and still not convinced.

The missed chances, although shared amongst a number of players, highlights our need for that quality striker that has eluded us since Hearn's injury.

Went tonight (my first game of season) honestly thought we were better team although they looked more likely to score our defence looked shaky at time then solid the next. I am not totally convinced on Hurst but if we play like that we will be up there but all about consistency now.

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

Rob its not the players who have lost faith but many of us fans. A good result tonight and interesting point on another thread that if some golden chances had been taken, including tonight, how different things may look. From feedback tonight it appears we had the most success when we played it on the floor and that is the style, supported by the briefly seen pressing game, that will bring us success. I would like to see Pitman and Arnold down the centre playing this style but said after the Dover game that I did not think PH would ever go down that route and still not convinced.

The missed chances, although shared amongst a number of players, highlights our need for that quality striker that has eluded us since Hearn's injury.

I think most of the fans still have faith in the manager. A few vociferous posters on here is a tiny fraction of fans.

There are many ways to play football. If it was an indisputable fact that paying a pressing, passing game every match was the most successful
then everyone would do it. Tonight we played to suit the personnel and system on the pitch, which is what you should do IMHO. If you have bigger forwards on then it makes sense to utilise their height more. I think it's good that we can vary our style and play different ways, it keeps the opposition guessing.

Well I would guess that Fishy posters cover a fair cross section of our overall fan base, certainly where I sit in the upper findus he does not have a lot of support. We all want him to achieve but I just feel the inconsistency in results is the only constant in our results.

Quoted from GrimRob

I think most of the fans still have faith in the manager. A few vociferous posters on here is a tiny fraction of fans.

There are many ways to play football. If it was an indisputable fact that paying a pressing, passing game every match was the most successful
then everyone would do it. Tonight we played to suit the personnel and system on the pitch, which is what you should do IMHO. If you have bigger forwards on then it makes sense to utilise their height more. I think it's good that we can vary our style and play different ways, it keeps the opposition guessing.

Most of the fans I know don't have faith in the manager. The ones that are still going to games that is.  To say it's a few vociferous posters on here is well wide of the mark in my experience of talking to many Town fans.

Quoted from ginnywings

Most of the fans I know don't have faith in the manager. The ones that are still going to games that is.  To say it's a few vociferous posters on here is well wide of the mark in my experience of talking to many Town fans.

Well we have two trust representatives on the board so I guess they are gauging opinion. I guess most people just know like-minded friends who tend to be a similar age and background, to get a truly representative poll is difficult. My impression is we are nowhere near at the stage with the crowd where we were with the other sackings of the Fenty era: Rodger, Woods and Buckley (Newell sacking was a bit different).

Quoted from ginnywings

Most of the fans I know don't have faith in the manager. The ones that are still going to games that is.  To say it's a few vociferous posters on here is well wide of the mark in my experience of talking to many Town fans.

Well we have two trust representatives on the board so I guess they are gauging opinion. I guess most people just know like-minded friends who tend to be a similar age and background, to get a truly representative poll is difficult. My impression is we are nowhere near at the stage with the crowd where we were with the other sackings of the Fenty era: Rodger, Woods and Buckley (Newell sacking was a bit different). Plus I feel the players totally back the manager which they didn't with some of the names I have mentioned.

I am fully behind the Manager and fully behind the team. We were excellent tonight.

Quoted from KK_DOG

I am fully behind the Manager and fully behind the team. We were excellent tonight.

Completely agree, I thoroughly enjoyed our performance tonight, I think with a bit of luck with injuries and a couple of key loans we will see this team go on a bit of a run.

Yay let's all be negative, we were pants, sack hurst, we have no forwards, no one cares about the fans, there's no passion, players don't want it enough, LJL is poop, Disley shouldn't be playing etc etc.......

It's getting a bit boring now!

I thought it was a good point earned tonight, a hard club to face.  Next stop Kidderminster, back the players and the staff, come Christmas we will be up there, sat in 3rd with 2 new forwards and a nice home game against Lincoln to win

Our team put a lot of work in to everything they do week in week out for a conference side, which some fans forget, that we are a conference side.  Onwards and upwards!

Quoted from headingly_mariner

Completely agree, I thoroughly enjoyed our performance tonight, I think with a bit of luck with injuries and a couple of key loans we will see this team go on a bit of a run.

The team can certainly go on a run.

Whether or not the manager will facilitate that is an all together different question. One that I think will take a lot of games to convince fans he will. The lack of consistency is a huge concern, as is the fact a Professional Football manager deems it everybody elses fault but his own for everything, including the fact he's failed to sign a striker after looking for 3 months. It's fine saying injuries haven't helped, but no team with our budget should be down to one striker at any point of the season.

He's still got time in my eyes to prove that, these good performances just shows fans that it can be done. Which is why there is a huge reaction if he makes decisions that hinder that, such as the previous few games.

seems the rose tinted glasses are out again.. nothing has changed, he has to go if we want to get out of this hell hole

Quoted from denni266

seems the rose tinted glasses are out again.. nothing has changed, he has to go if we want to get out of this hell hole

And who would you prefer to be in charge? Untied of course ......

And who do you think would want to take the job?

if you want a straw-poll on tonights performance look no further than the 456 of us who applauded the team and manager off the pitch at the end of the game. With the exception of Paddy and Biggy, every senior player that was fit was playing, and what a shift they put in. Daft free kick and goal conceded in the first 5 minutes but the work rate after that was exceptional, as was the passing game we produced. Neilson was just class and caused them no end of problems. Clay and Brown were like terriers in midfield. We need a few players back from injury or on loan to make the difference. I think the loss of Boyce and Thomas has hit us hard. See you all at Kidderminster for another all action episode.

Quoted from chicaneuk

This 'regime' is doing no worse than those that have come before it in the last couple of years. In fact this 'regime' got us further last season than we've gotten in several years.

So I'd argue we haven't fallen under this 'regime' -  we just haven't gone anywhere better. Yet.

All though I can't really speak for the Old Codger, I assume he was referring to the JF regime not just Paul Hurst's

Quoted from cod_head_doug

if you want a straw-poll on tonights performance look no further than the 456 of us who applauded the team and manager off the pitch at the end of the game. With the exception of Paddy and Biggy, every senior player that was fit was playing, and what a shift they put in. Daft free kick and goal conceded in the first 5 minutes but the work rate after that was exceptional, as was the passing game we produced. Neilson was just class and caused them no end of problems. Clay and Brown were like terriers in midfield. We need a few players back from injury or on loan to make the difference. I think the loss of Boyce and Thomas has hit us hard. See you all at Kidderminster for another all action episode.

That's good to hear Doug  

There've been plenty on here tonight who think that we might as well not have bothered taking the point from what seems to have been a hard earned draw but the feedback from someone who was there witnessing the endeavours of the team (and the manager too) has a much greater bearing than anyone of us who didn't go and had to rely on radio commentary

The Usual Suspects out on here embarrassing themselves again. The only common link I can find between them is that none of them appear to have been there. I didn't speak to anyone during or after the game who wasn't impressed with the whole Town performance..

Quoted from sparko501

And who would you prefer to be in charge? Untied of course ......

And who do you think would want to take the job?

Sparko:- They cannot come up with a viable, available alternative with better credentials than Hurst

Quoted from pontoonlew

The team can certainly go on a run.

Whether or not the manager will facilitate that is an all together different question. One that I think will take a lot of games to convince fans he will. The lack of consistency is a huge concern, as is the fact a Professional Football manager deems it everybody elses fault but his own for everything, including the fact he's failed to sign a striker after looking for 3 months. It's fine saying injuries haven't helped, but no team with our budget should be down to one striker at any point of the season.

He's still got time in my eyes to prove that, these good performances just shows fans that it can be done. Which is why there is a huge reaction if he makes decisions that hinder that, such as the previous few games.

Your lack of any discernable grasp of the financial considerations for teams at our level is mind-boggling. How on earth can any team plan financially for the instance of injury to three strikers (if you include Arnold)?

Quoted from Harry Haddock

I take it we wont be seeing you on here until next season then ?

We can but hope.....At least a decent run will have that added bonus-conspicuous by his absence when we win....

Quoted from barralad

The Usual Suspects out on here embarrassing themselves again. The only common link I can find between them is that none of them appear to have been there. I didn't speak to anyone during or after the game who wasn't impressed with the whole Town performance..

I hope you are omitting me from any judgement you have cast down.

I am simply saying yes we got a point and it seems the 1st half was good but it needs to carried on with another result at kiddy.

we have 5 wins in the league in the last 19 matches going back to end of last season, that is poor form no matter how you look at it.

i didn't even realise it was that bad tbh.

Quoted from barralad

The Usual Suspects out on here embarrassing themselves again. The only common link I can find between them is that none of them appear to have been there. I didn't speak to anyone during or after the game who wasn't impressed with the whole Town performance..

This mammary for tat nonsense is getting pathetic. Grow up and accept that some posters are allowed to be critical if they want to be. It's not embarrassing or negativity in most cases - there have been a lot of well considered critiques of the squad and Hurst's shortfallings from some of the so called 'Usual Suspects'. For example yes we played well last night, but if we'd had a striker who could hold the ball up then we'd probably have gone on to win. Hannah put in loads of effort last night, but it was so easy for their defenders to knock him off the ball when it was played into his feet and that led to many of our attacks breaking down. Hurst has to take some blame there because he didn't sign enough strikers, and failed to bring one in after two of them were injured. Drawing last night doesn't make up for the fact we have made stupid defensive mistakes, missed a number of clear chances and dropped points in recent games.

Quoted from Mariner21

Zzzz yay well done lads!!!!!!! FFS did you go? We was garbage most of the time. Yeah we huffed and puffed but it's not good enough. Why the intercourse do we keep accepting failure?? PH is inconsistent. His managerial reign has proved this and I can't see it changing.

Wow --  Specsavers have a deal on.  

God knows what stratospheric standards you apply to football, but we were most definitely not "garbage".

Quoted from pontoonlew

The team can certainly go on a run.

Whether or not the manager will facilitate that is an all together different question. One that I think will take a lot of games to convince fans he will. The lack of consistency is a huge concern, as is the fact a Professional Football manager deems it everybody elses fault but his own for everything, including the fact he's failed to sign a striker after looking for 3 months. It's fine saying injuries haven't helped, but no team with our budget should be down to one striker at any point of the season.

He's still got time in my eyes to prove that, these good performances just shows fans that it can be done. Which is why there is a huge reaction if he makes decisions that hinder that, such as the previous few games.

I think it is fair to say he has been unlucky with injuries so far this season and has not always been able to play as he would like, I tend to agree with him that i don't see any point in signing someone just to boost the numbers of the squad, they have to be good, the players that we have brought in this season look to have real quality and Paul clearly has an eye for a player, a lot on here were furious that he signed Clay and to be honest from what i have seen if he continues to play as he is, he will be the best central midfielder we have had since being at this level.

A striker will come in and i have confidence that he will sign a good one

Quoted from barralad

Sparko:- They cannot come up with a viable, available alternative with better credentials than Hurst

You are absolutely right Barra. Obviously JF isn't going to take any action without a better available alternative unless the side fails to win for a good number of games and slides away from the play off places. Even then he will hang on until the last minute.

That doesn't mean we should be satisfied with what we've got, on the back of one point away from home after two bad defeats, does it?

We always seem to be making the best of a bad job. So many false dawns, so many rose tints. I'm afraid it has got to the stage after all these years of mismanagement and disappointment that I will only believe this club is seriously on the mend when we are 4 points clear at the top of the Conference with a game to play. Until then, my cynicism will withstand all these one-off "we've turned a corner" type performances.

Quoted from Hagrid

Full credit to the players for a battling point, could have been 3 as we know but in the circumstances we have to be happy! All us fans should we be saying a big well done! Onwards and upwards to saturday, the key now, more than ever! CONSISTENCY

Good to read.With hard work and dedication a lot can be achieved.Hopefully come end the end of the season we are in the playoffs or even winning the league although I admit its a tough call given we are a bit of the pace already

Quoted from barralad

Your lack of any discernable grasp of the financial considerations for teams at our level is mind-boggling. How on earth can any team plan financially for the instance of injury to three strikers (if you include Arnold)?

Arnold's primary position isn't up front though is it? Anybody could see that 3 strikers (one with a history of injuries) wasn't going to be enough. In fact Hurst knows that himself yet has spent 3 bloody months failing to find one.

Quoted from barralad

The Usual Suspects out on here embarrassing themselves again. The only common link I can find between them is that none of them appear to have been there. I didn't speak to anyone during or after the game who wasn't impressed with the whole Town performance..

Praised the performance on another thread, but as I've said before, celebrating a point at Halifax is hardly a ringing advert for the Fenty regime is it?

Quoted from pontoonlew

Arnold's primary position isn't up front though is it? Anybody could see that 3 strikers (one with a history of injuries) wasn't going to be enough. In fact Hurst knows that himself yet has spent 3 bloody months failing to find one.

Hurst definitely should've gone and bought another striker, but if there isn't one out there who's going to better our squad then its pointless.
I know Hurst has had his faults, nobody is perfect but he hasn't half being unlucky. The recall of Boyce was a big blow, losing Thomas another. Going forward whoever is in the side we look good, just surprisingly, silly defending seems to have cost us recently. You can't legislate or blame Hurst for that, there is only so much he can do from the sidelines.
Also, Arnold has said his favoured position is upfront.

First game of the season for me last night.

I was pleasantly surprised. What impressed me most was seeing us having a decent midfield for the first time in a long time.

We also played some nice passing football.

Disley gives you a goal threat, but it looks like his legs have gone.

Like the look of Clay and Brown, plus the lad at left back Magnay.

Overall an encouraging performance.

Will definately be going back (beats the rubbish you see week in week out in the premier league).
Finally big shout out to the 450 town fans, made some great noise and got behind the team for the full 90 minutes.

Quoted from Rick12

Good to read.With hard work and dedication a lot can be achieved.Hopefully come end the end of the season we are in the playoffs or even winning the league although I admit its a tough call given we are a bit of the pace already

Thought I'd even out your scores with a tick seeing as though the red x phantom seems to be out and about again  

Yes a good point maybe last night, but so everyone says it should have be 3.  It wasn't, so another 2 points missed and therefore its not a good point after all!  
Everyone says in the circumstances, so we are full-time, Halifax part-time, so should we not be beating part-timers?
Time to get real, it's been an awful start, just 3 wins from 10, with one of the biggest budgets.
I'll give the players credit for a better performance last night, but time for a manager to inspire wins, not draws and defeats against teams with much poorer resources.
#HURSTOUT  

Quoted from FishOutOfWater

Thought I'd even out your scores with a tick seeing as though the red x phantom seems to be out and about again  

Nice gesture thanks.All opinion though isn't it so I take it with a pinch of salt  

Quoted from jonnyboy82

I hope you are omitting me from any judgement you have cast down.

I am simply saying yes we got a point and it seems the 1st half was good but it needs to carried on with another result at kiddy.

we have 5 wins in the league in the last 19 matches going back to end of last season, that is poor form no matter how you look at it.

i didn't even realise it was that bad tbh.

LOL you make it sound almost biblical...Actually I wasn't including you because I hadn't read anything that you'd written...

Quoted from barralad

LOL you make it sound almost biblical...Actually I wasn't including you because I hadn't read anything that you'd written...

May you be reprieved from any satanic act I had presumed  

Quoted from Chrisblor

This mammary for tat nonsense is getting pathetic. Grow up and accept that some posters are allowed to be critical if they want to be. It's not embarrassing or negativity in most cases - there have been a lot of well considered critiques of the squad and Hurst's shortfallings from some of the so called 'Usual Suspects'. For example yes we played well last night, but if we'd had a striker who could hold the ball up then we'd probably have gone on to win. Hannah put in loads of effort last night, but it was so easy for their defenders to knock him off the ball when it was played into his feet and that led to many of our attacks breaking down. Hurst has to take some blame there because he didn't sign enough strikers, and failed to bring one in after two of them were injured. Drawing last night doesn't make up for the fact we have made stupid defensive mistakes, missed a number of clear chances and dropped points in recent games.

Cheers for your judgement on my maturity. The people I was referring to are a. those that didn't make any well considered critiques because b. they weren't there. I came back from Halifax on a bit of a "high" because I'd witnessed what I believed to be a very competent performance from a team that was up against it due to injuries and had suffered a bad defeat on Saturday. I came on here hoping for some decent debate regarding the performance and found thankfully loads of it. I don't really have to justify myself but will say I've got no problem at all with people who don't agree with my view on the current situation and acknowledge the well thought out nature and validity of some of the posts listing the short comings in the current set up regularly. What I find embarrassing is people hi-jacking threads about last night's game with comments demeaning the achievement of a point away at one of our main rivals whilst adding nothing of use to the discussion when they haven't attended the game. As freedom of speech works both ways I will reserve my right to criticise them for it whatever others may think of it.
As for the rest of your post I couldn't personally agree more with the majority of it although would take issue with the view that Hurst hasn't signed enough strikers as I believe four should be adequate for any team at our level. The fact that the injuries only happened on Saturday made it very difficult for Hurst to actually get "someone in" before last night's game-as indeed he stated in yesterday's Telegraph. But that, as I'm sure you will agree, is what opinions are all about

Quoted from kingster72

Yes a good point maybe last night, but so everyone says it should have be 3.  It wasn't, so another 2 points missed and therefore its not a good point after all!  
Everyone says in the circumstances, so we are full-time, Halifax part-time, so should we not be beating part-timers?
Time to get real, it's been an awful start, just 3 wins from 10, with one of the biggest budgets.
I'll give the players credit for a better performance last night, but time for a manager to inspire wins, not draws and defeats against teams with much poorer resources.
#HURSTOUT  

Can I just say...I didn't think it "should have been three" I thought a draw was a fair result....

Quoted from barralad

Can I just say...I didn't think it "should have been three" I thought a draw was a fair result....

You were there and I wasn't but the commentary and reports suggest you are spot on in your assessment of last night's game. The two sides were reasonably evenly matched.  It means we played as well as the opposition.

The question I would ask though is why people accept that to be a fair result. Logically it makes no sense. For a "big" full time club visiting a part time club, a win would have been the expected result. A performance that results in a draw in those circumstances must surely be considered a below par performance, or else the opposition played above themselves. Well, Halifax certainly didn't do that did they? So that leaves us not playing well enough to do what we ought to be expecting, get 3 points.

Quoted from GrimRob

I think most of the fans still have faith in the manager. A few vociferous posters on here is a tiny fraction of fans.

There are many ways to play football. If it was an indisputable fact that paying a pressing, passing game every match was the most successful
then everyone would do it. Tonight we played to suit the personnel and system on the pitch, which is what you should do IMHO. If you have bigger forwards on then it makes sense to utilise their height more. I think it's good that we can vary our style and play different ways, it keeps the opposition guessing.

Head in sand or up somewhere else if you think "most fans still have faith in the manager"
Look at the polls on her and try listening to the fans.
On the way out the ground & in the pub after Saturdays game not one voice did I hear in his support in fact most wanted him out.

Quoted from barralad

As for the rest of your post I couldn't personally agree more with the majority of it although would take issue with the view that Hurst hasn't signed enough strikers as I believe four should be adequate for any team at our level. The fact that the injuries only happened on Saturday made it very difficult for Hurst to actually get "someone in" before last night's game-as indeed he stated in yesterday's Telegraph. But that, as I'm sure you will agree, is what opinions are all about

Are we suggesting that Arnold is our 4th striker? I don't believe a strike rate of around 50 goals in nearly 300 games makes him a striker does it? That said, it's better than Lennies!

To gain promotion from any league, you have to win away games against the top teams in the league.
Whilst due to circumstances, last night was a good result, statistics say that we need 3 points from these games.

We also need to acknowledge that we have good players and throughout the season we will have a number of " highs" and good results/performances. Those of us who are less supportive of PH just do not believe there will be enough of these to get us out of this league.

I am always happy when we play well just wish it was more often with a more consistent set of results that return 3 points.

Quoted from TAGG

Head in sand or up somewhere else if you think "most fans still have faith in the manager"
Look at the poles on her and try listening to the fans.
On the way out the ground & in the pub after Saturdays game not one voice did I hear in his support in fact most wanted him out.

I suggest you listen next time we win....such is the fickleness of "some" fans.

Do we have any Poles on here?

Quoted from barralad

I suggest you listen next time we win....such is the fickleness of "some" fans.

Do we have any Poles on here?

No, but there's always some cracking Polish totty in Asda in Boston.

Quoted from pontoonlew

Arnold's primary position isn't up front though is it? Anybody could see that 3 strikers (one with a history of injuries) wasn't going to be enough. In fact Hurst knows that himself yet has spent 3 bloody months failing to find one.

But the ones he was interested in did not want to come here. Not a lot he could do about that.

Quoted from cod_head_doug

if you want a straw-poll on tonights performance look no further than the 456 of us who applauded the team and manager off the pitch at the end of the game. With the exception of Paddy and Biggy, every senior player that was fit was playing, and what a shift they put in. Daft free kick and goal conceded in the first 5 minutes but the work rate after that was exceptional, as was the passing game we produced. Neilson was just class and caused them no end of problems. Clay and Brown were like terriers in midfield. We need a few players back from injury or on loan to make the difference. I think the loss of Boyce and Thomas has hit us hard. See you all at Kidderminster for another all action episode.

Yes the 456 die hards applauded the manager off the pitch, but stick with Hurst and they'll be just 456 at BP soon. 3 wins out of 10 is not good enough, a draw when we've put in a good display is not enough.  The difference between winning does not rely on injured players coming back, or loanees coming in, but Hurst going out!

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Are we suggesting that Arnold is our 4th striker? I don't believe a strike rate of around 50 goals in nearly 300 games makes him a striker does it? That said, it's better than Lennies!

A strike rate of 50 in 300 isn't bad for a winger - which is the position he has generally played throughout his career.

I've certainly read that he claims he can play as a striker. Whether or not this is the case remains to be seen, but you can't say a player hasn't scored enough goals to be a striker when he has mostly been playing on the wing!

When Arnold (eventually) gets fit, I reckon we may well see him playing in a 4-3-3 or 4-3-1-2 at times (Neilsen playing in 'the hole').

Quoted from oldun

But the ones he was interested in did not want to come here. Not a lot he could do about that.

Why didn't they want to come? Why is this forward thinking and ambitious club not incredibly attractive to players who can't get a game where they are?

Quoted from kingster72

Yes the 456 die hards applauded the manager off the pitch, but stick with Hurst and they'll be just 456 at BP soon. 3 wins out of 10 is not good enough, a draw when we've put in a good display is not enough.  The difference between winning does not rely on injured players coming back, or loanees coming in, but Hurst going out!

I disagree, if Paul Hurst is such a bad manager answer me this, how did we manage the two great victories over Gateshead and Alfreton ?
With the limited squad available last night it was a good point and was nearly three. On the other hand we could have lost it, such are the fine margins between victory and defeat. I too am disappointed that we are not at the top of league, but I am a realist, so far this season we have seen the highs with the two great victories with a full squad to choose from and the lows, drawing with dover, etc with a depleted squad. I hope you were at Halifax to see the effort and commitment from the players, it will come good, just keep the faith

I don't know if it was this thread where someone referred to posters who get excited when we win as 'smug twa*s' but I find that really offensive and typical of some of the ignorant and disrespectful attitude from a few regulars.
No doubt the response will be "it's a forum mate and I'm entitled to my opinion" and I agree - but there is no reason to be so vitriolic and abusive.
95% of the time my cup is half full with Hurst, GTFC and sticking with the team through thick and thin; two play off places, a Wembley visit in past two seasons is above par in my book.
I admit my patience has been tested in the past few games and I have begun to doubt if we are going to do the business this year (the business being play offs minimum) and have 100% respect for those who want Hurst to be sacked as long as it's well thought out, rational and presents a good argument.
But to slag posters off as 'smug twa*s' when they come on Fishy to express their pleasure at a good point gained at one of the top teams in Conference - the league (or 'hell hole' as it is so calmly referred to), we play in cos we have been 'like a pub team' for several seasons (if that's the language you want) - then that is bang out of order.
The poster who made a derisory comment about 456 people who went last night being 'the number at BP if things continue' is not only similar to the ranting of a right-wing nutjob but also a complete slap in the face to those loyal, devoted fans who made the journey to watch a team who needs all the support it can get.

Before anyone starts... I'm not in tears as I write this, don't have a dummy to spit out, couldn't care less if someone accuses me of wearing rose-tinted glasses, won't be leaving the Fishy if I get criticised, and will be looking forward to Saturday and (dare I say it) three points at Kiddy

Perhaps some posters are incapable of being rational and respective - it's a shame cos it's the club we all love (I think?

Quoted from cannylad68

To gain promotion from any league, you have to win away games against the top teams in the league.
Whilst due to circumstances, last night was a good result, statistics say that we need 3 points from these games.

That may be so, but I'll tell you what you need more than that for promotion - to win your f***ing home games. We've already lost our unbeaten status in less than a month and have failed to beat either of two lesser sides in Nuneaton and Dover. That's much more of a fundamental flaw IMO. For instance, it's no good turning over Barnet or Wrexham at their place if you're then going to lose to Telford, Southport and Altrincham, and draw with Dover and Dartford etc. More than anything, for me, we need to be winning all, or nearly all of our home games and improving significantly on last season, and starting in 2 weeks against Chester. Takes immense pressure off you away, and you'd be surprised how the 'on the road' results crop up positive when you're not under so much pressure.

Quoted from cod_head_doug

I disagree, if Paul Hurst is such a bad manager answer me this, how did we manage the two great victories over Gateshead and Alfreton ?
With the limited squad available last night it was a good point and was nearly three. On the other hand we could have lost it, such are the fine margins between victory and defeat. I too am disappointed that we are not at the top of league, but I am a realist, so far this season we have seen the highs with the two great victories with a full squad to choose from and the lows, drawing with dover, etc with a depleted squad. I hope you were at Halifax to see the effort and commitment from the players, it will come good, just keep the faith

if paul is such a good manager answer me this.....

Why are we still in this league !!

I am still waiting for it to come good nearly 4 years later.

Quoted from cod_head_doug

I disagree, if Paul Hurst is such a bad manager answer me this, how did we manage the two great victories over Gateshead and Alfreton ?
With the limited squad available last night it was a good point and was nearly three. On the other hand we could have lost it, such are the fine margins between victory and defeat. I too am disappointed that we are not at the top of league, but I am a realist, so far this season we have seen the highs with the two great victories with a full squad to choose from and the lows, drawing with dover, etc with a depleted squad. I hope you were at Halifax to see the effort and commitment from the players, it will come good, just keep the faith

Whoopie! We got a point at part time Halifax! We are the club that punched above its weight at Championship level not so long ago, yet now we are happy if we get an away point from mid table 3 leagues lower. As previous, I get no pleasure from defeat, I just want to see progress from our lowest ebb, yet I see none, a reduced budget yet still 3000 loyal fans propping up a club with over 3 million debt, benign or otherwise.

Dear Old Codger

Whoopie! We got a point at part time Halifax!
Yes, a club higher than us and in the same league

We are the club that punched above its weight at Championship level not so long ago
Yes, but we don't now

Yet now we are happy if we get an away point from mid table 3 leagues lower.
Yes, a club higher than us and in the same league

As previous, I get no pleasure from defeat
Really?

I just want to see progress from our lowest ebb
Agree

Yet I see none
Not strictly true - two play off spots and a Wembley final

A reduced budget yet still 3000 loyal fans propping up a club with over 3 million debt, benign or otherwise.
Remarkable isn't it that these loyal fans support their club so passionately and GTFC hasn’t gone the way of Darlington, Rushden etc despite not being able to attract investment and still remaining remarkably competitive

Quoted from barralad

I suggest you listen next time we win....such is the fickleness of "some" fans.

Do we have any Poles on here?

I do listen win lose or draw.
It would be good if the Trust guys start listening and putting forward the concerns of the majority of the fans.  
It may be that I dont get in or around the Directors box every game that I don't hear a good word to be said about Hurst
Hurst will never get this club promoted.

Send me some lines for the typo  

My mates missus is Lithuanian thats near Poland.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

Why didn't they want to come? Why is this forward thinking and ambitious club not incredibly attractive to players who can't get a game where they are?

That's a fair question and I don't know the answer, but those at the club will know and I am sure they did their best to sign PH's targets.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

Why didn't they want to come? Why is this forward thinking and ambitious club not incredibly attractive to players who can't get a game where they are?

That's a fair question and I don't know the answer, but those at the club will know and I am sure they did their best to sign PH's targets.

Quoted from Stevie Saunders

As previous, I get no pleasure from defeat
Really?

Yet I see none
Not strictly true - two play off spots and a Wembley final

A reduced budget yet still 3000 loyal fans propping up a club with over 3 million debt, benign or otherwise.
Remarkable isn't it that these loyal fans support their club so passionately and GTFC hasn’t gone the way of Darlington, Rushden etc despite not being able to attract investment and still remaining remarkably competitive

I want us to win every game and every defeat means an increased likelihood of staying in this league. Play off spots mean nothing if they don't result in promotion and the Wembley final is a final that wouldn't be available if we weren't in the Bananarama league.

Also, it's remarkable that Darlington and Rushden always get mentioned whilst other clubs that haven risen from the ashes (Rotherham, Luton, Oxford and others) don't. Truth is that nobody knows what would have happened if we had gone into administration.

Quoted from TAGG

I do listen win lose or draw.
It would be good if the Trust guys start listening and putting forward the concerns of the majority of the fans.  
It may be that I dont get in or around the Directors box every game that I don't hear a good word to be said about Hurst
Hurst will never get this club promoted.

Send me some lines for the typo  

I can only assume you have me mixed up with someone else. I go nowhere near the Directors box. As for your views being the views of "the majority of fans" it is questionable whether those views are shared by a majority of posters on here-never mind the fan base as a whole.

Quoted from TAGG

Head in sand or up somewhere else if you think "most fans still have faith in the manager"
Look at the polls on her and try listening to the fans.
On the way out the ground & in the pub after Saturdays game not one voice did I hear in his support in fact most wanted him out.

Your view doesn't reflect that of the majority of the fans that I know - most of whom are reasonable and realistic about where we are and what PH is doing.

To be fed up with Town's plummet down the Leagues is common to all fans, and to be concerned about us turning it all round again is a universal feature of being a Town fan. Having accepted that shared starting point, constant moaning doesn't strike me as being insightful, helpful or supportive.

Personally, I try to enjoy each game as it comes, and get behind the team. Without a credible "regime change" plan, relentless complaining doesn't help the team, the club, or anyone.

Wake up at the back!

Quoted from nickmariners

Your view doesn't reflect that of the majority of the fans that I know - most of whom are reasonable and realistic about where we are and what PH is doing.

To be fed up with Town's plummet down the Leagues is common to all fans, and to be concerned about us turning it all round again is a universal feature of being a Town fan. Having accepted that shared starting point, constant moaning doesn't strike me as being insightful, helpful or supportive.

Personally, I try to enjoy each game as it comes, and get behind the team. Without a credible "regime change" plan, relentless complaining doesn't help the team, the club, or anyone.

Wake up at the back!

So we just need to cough up £18 a game and wait?

Quoted from MuddyWaters

So we just need to cough up £18 a game and wait?

Yes, because as fans, supporting the team on the pitch is all we have control over.

We don't pick the team, we don't attend training, we don't buy players.

As fans, all we can do is turn up, spend £18 and support the team, who incidentally often comment on how the support can and does make a difference.

Quoted from nickmariners

Your view doesn't reflect that of the majority of the fans that I know - most of whom are reasonable and realistic about where we are and what PH is doing.

To be fed up with Town's plummet down the Leagues is common to all fans, and to be concerned about us turning it all round again is a universal feature of being a Town fan. Having accepted that shared starting point, constant moaning doesn't strike me as being insightful, helpful or supportive.

Personally, I try to enjoy each game as it comes, and get behind the team. Without a credible "regime change" plan, relentless complaining doesn't help the team, the club, or anyone.

Wake up at the back!

Relentless acceptance of mediocrity doesn't help.  

Quoted from ivanosandwich

Yes, because as fans, supporting the team on the pitch is all we have control over.

We don't pick the team, we don't attend training, we don't buy players.

As fans, all we can do is turn up, spend £18 and support the team, who incidentally often comment on how the support can and does make a difference.

Propping up mediocrity and the debt that no-one wants.

Mediocre? Yes
Propping up debt? Yes
But what the hell can you do about it other than stop going which I have no intention of doing
I've been 'married' to Grimsby Town for over 30 years and, for better for worse, you don't walk out on your 'spouse' when the going gets tough

Support is vital to any partnership

UTM!

Quoted from Stevie Saunders

Mediocre? Yes
Propping up debt? Yes
But what the hell can you do about it other than stop going which I have no intention of doing
I've been 'married' to Grimsby Town for over 30 years and, for better for worse, you don't walk out on your 'spouse' when the going gets tough

Support is vital to any partnership

UTM!

What about if you feel that spouse has so much potential but keeps leading you a merry dance ?

You want a divorce but cant say goodbye..

Welcome to GTFC.

Quoted from Stevie Saunders

Mediocre? Yes
Propping up debt? Yes
But what the hell can you do about it other than stop going which I have no intention of doing
I've been 'married' to Grimsby Town for over 30 years and, for better for worse, you don't walk out on your 'spouse' when the going gets tough

Support is vital to any partnership

UTM!

" God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
  Courage to change the things I can,
  And the wisdom to know the difference ".

Quoted from Stevie Saunders

two play off places, a Wembley visit in past two seasons is above par in my book.

From that comment I would draw the inference that you only started following Town when we were in the Conference. But I suspect that's not the case. Coming 4th in the 5th division and not winning the non-League Cup seems below par for our history and size.