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Heh !

Go steady lads.

This thread is getting far too sensible .
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Quoted from chaos33
I agree with RRFC and Barra on this too.


Someone obviously doesn't!

Seems a shame to me that a side works hard & plays well for an hour or so and then when the strikers are swapped the pattern changes to more defensive. Maybe just tiredness in midfield, maybe deliberate, maybe both, but people seem agreed Bogle and Amond didn't get the support the other 2 did earlier in the game.

Fot a home game we needed to win I'd have started with the best two and made the most of possession and buried Gateshead by half time then bring on the reserve and loanee to run about for the final quarter. Wasn't all the pre-match talk about going for the jugular? While it's great to see super strikes from Arnold and I'm really pleased for the lad, they should have been the icing on the cake, not relied on to win the game.

But there again, I'm as pig ignorant about this game as every other fan. Managers know best.



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Someone obviously doesn't!

Seems a shame to me that a side works hard & plays well for an hour or so and then when the strikers are swapped the pattern changes to more defensive. Maybe just tiredness in midfield, maybe deliberate, maybe both, but people seem agreed Bogle and Amond didn't get the support the other 2 did earlier in the game.

Fot a home game we needed to win I'd have started with the best two and made the most of possession and buried Gateshead by half time then bring on the reserve and loanee to run about for the final quarter. Wasn't all the pre-match talk about going for the jugular? While it's great to see super strikes from Arnold and I'm really pleased for the lad, they should have been the icing on the cake, not relied on to win the game.

But there again, I'm as pig ignorant about this game as every other fan. Managers know best.



why is JPP a 'reserve'.  Arguably the best striker at the club.

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I suspect the choice of strikers has more to do with improving the defensive record than the scoring record.


As much as Lenny was maligned, you could rely on being able to pump it out to him and he would hold it up. Rather that it getting lost and straight back at our defense.
Could well be where a few of our silly goals have come from.
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Someone obviously doesn't!

Seems a shame to me that a side works hard & plays well for an hour or so and then when the strikers are swapped the pattern changes to more defensive. Maybe just tiredness in midfield, maybe deliberate, maybe both, but people seem agreed Bogle and Amond didn't get the support the other 2 did earlier in the game.

Fot a home game we needed to win I'd have started with the best two and made the most of possession and buried Gateshead by half time then bring on the reserve and loanee to run about for the final quarter. Wasn't all the pre-match talk about going for the jugular? While it's great to see super strikes from Arnold and I'm really pleased for the lad, they should have been the icing on the cake, not relied on to win the game.

But there again, I'm as pig ignorant about this game as every other fan. Managers know best.



There you go I agree with you and then you spoil it.   I don't think the "pattern changed" deliberately nor that Bogle and Amond "didn't get the support the other two did earlier in the game" I'm utterly convinced we didn't attack with the same vigour because we didn't press far enough up the park. The first half was as much about a pressing game forcing Gateshead into errors on a difficult surface. Would we have had the same success with Amond and Bogle up top. It's at least a moot point. In balance, as I said in another thread, I would have fancied Amond in particular to have stuck away one or more of the chances that Tomlinson didn't.
We might not agree with Hurst's selection but I think last night's should have proved to any doubters that it is certainly a viable option.


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Quoted from LondonMariner43


why is JPP a 'reserve'.  Arguably the best striker at the club.



Possibly so, I don't dislike him. But he was the reserve at the start of the season in the minds of most supporters based on previous performance. And, his fitness issues make it a bit dodgy to reply on him being the main goalscorer for a championship seeking side.



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why is JPP a 'reserve'.  Arguably the best striker at the club.



I assume he meant that for most of last season and the start of this season he wasn't first choice.
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There you go I agree with you and then you spoil it.   I don't think the "pattern changed" deliberately nor that Bogle and Amond "didn't get the support the other two did earlier in the game" I'm utterly convinced we didn't attack with the same vigour because we didn't press far enough up the park. The first half was as much about a pressing game forcing Gateshead into errors on a difficult surface. Would we have had the same success with Amond and Bogle up top. It's at least a moot point. In balance, as I said in another thread, I would have fancied Amond in particular to have stuck away one or more of the chances that Tomlinson didn't.
We might not agree with Hurst's selection but I think last night's should have proved to any doubters that it is certainly a viable option.


Same difference really Barra. I agree with you on that. My worry would be that Tomlinson signs on and turns into this season's LJL, first name on the team sheet not because he scores goals but because he runs about a lot and it helps the defensive aspect of the side.

Bogle is already a good player. I don't agree with this "bring him on gently" philosophy. If he's worth £50k as he is then he's worth playing and doing his learning on the park. He won't learn much warming the bench and doing the odd 15-20 minutes to appease the faithful. I doubt he will learn much about being a striker from the manager on the training pitch either. He needs games and more games and then he will do the business eventually. No good needing him to come in and do it in in February when he's spent the last 4 months suffering from piles in the dugout.


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Agree with both of you again.  


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Quoted from LondonMariner43


why is JPP a 'reserve'.  Arguably the best striker at the club.

Feel that strikers have to earn the right to be called the best here.No one should be labelled a reserve unless they merit it.Pitman in fairness is not a bad player to have at this club and certainly if he is doing the business shouldent  be dropped.



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