Hillsborough

Quoted from Neilo83

Having seen a big number of documentaries on this all I've gotta say is them Liverpool thugs that steamed in gate C when that guy got thrown out must be really happy with the recent verdict.. How they can not take any blame at all for the tragedy is beyond me, of course a HUGE blame lies on the police and the organisers but i'd be willing to bet my house on it that the number of casualties would of been a lot less had that large number of fans not ran (yes ran, in not talking about casually strolling in, they actually steamed through them) through them gates..

It was the poor innocents that went in first and went in legally (with tickets through a turnstyle) that suffered that day..

RIP to everyone of them..

Of the 96 people who died, 30 were still outside the turnstiles at 2.52pm. They went in through gate C when invited by police, and were crushed in the central pens barely 10 minutes later.

Neilo, this just shows the chaotic nature of the event and why it's taken 2 years of careful sifting through the evidence to get to the root of it. The incident you talk of was the very first opening of Gate C. Those fans didn't steam in, in fact it sums up the mindset of the police on the day that, with over 5,000 fans struggling to get through, 10 minutes to k.o and a real danger of fatalities occurring, the police opened Gate C to eject a fan. Staggering really, did 1 single fan need chucking out so badly?

Not surprisingly some fans took the opportunity to get in and away from the worsening situation outside, these were still ticket holders though and seemingly had no inkling that Gate C was about to open, and just 150 got through the gate.
The actual deadly crushes were caused on the 2nd and 3rd opening of the gate, opened to relieve the crushes outside, and done the year before in the similar crush but only after the tunnel was blocked off.
Opened by an officer who, strangely, claimed to suffer from long term memory loss in the witness box and can't remember being told officially to do so.
It's all out there, it's up to the person reading to take it all in or just cherry pick the facts/fiction for their own take on it.

Quoted from Neilo83

Totally understand this mate, and yeah you're right delaying kick off got rejected because it was too late  

All i'm saying is that the ones that rushed in must of played a huge factor in what happened that day.. But as someone has put above, pen 3 and 4 should of been closed of a lot earlier, so many factors caused it..

The tunnel should have been closed, like it was at every match with a big crowd at Hillsborough in the years leading to the disaster. But it wasn't, because the Police Officer put in charge days before the match in place of the usual officer had no idea that this tactic was usually used to good effect, and no idea about Hillsborough. And also made no efforts to do any research or take any advice before the match.

But please, do tell me again how it was the fault of some fans who had had a few pints and 'ran' towards the crowd whilst having no idea of what was happening in there.

From what I can tell "fault" lies with those who where meant to be managing the event not the fans. Was that not confirmed by the inquest?

Maybe some of the fatalities could have been avoided if the officers commanding the Police in that black line between two sets of fans had showed some compassion and morality and allowed a few officers to break ranks and deal with the real issue.

  

Didn't take them long after the inquest verdict did it?

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/.....Rmx&ocid=UE03DHP

and before everyone hits the red x button I welcome the inquest verdict and I am sure it is right but all we have heard is 'justice'. Justice will be the criminal prosecution of those at fault - this is more like revenge

Quoted from 97

Had to post on here.


This was the culmination of a decade long war against the working class. Of course Thatcher was in on it. She made the police her fûcking paratroopers. And they loved it as much as she did.

Those heads that are left must roll, and a similar inquiry into Orgreave please.

Agree 100% with this.  The Thatcher govt was divisive, creating a view of society where if you weren't 'one of us' then you were part of the enemy within.  If you were a trade unionist, a Labour supporter, a football supporter, a foreigner, you weren't part of the Tory world under Thatcher.  The police wasn't only institutionally racist - it was infiltrated by a lot of right wing thugs.  Not all the police but enough of them
to treat the likes of football supporters with contempt - a crowd to be controlled with force and treated like cattle, not to be kept safe.

The police are to blame but they operated within a culture that was set by Thatcher and Murdoch.

Quoted from Neilo83

Having seen a big number of documentaries on this all I've gotta say is them Liverpool thugs that steamed in gate C when that guy got thrown out must be really happy with the recent verdict.. How they can not take any blame at all for the tragedy is beyond me, of course a HUGE blame lies on the police and the organisers but i'd be willing to bet my house on it that the number of casualties would of been a lot less had that large number of fans not ran (yes ran, in not talking about casually strolling in, they actually steamed through them) through them gates..

It was the poor innocents that went in first and went in legally (with tickets through a turnstyle) that suffered that day..

RIP to everyone of them..

Don't think you should inject humour into a thread like this because this clearly has to be a urine take. Surely? There's dim, partial and narrow-minded and there's posts like this.

Quoted from LondonMariner43

Agree 100% with this.  The Thatcher govt was divisive, creating a view of society where if you weren't 'one of us' then you were part of the enemy within.  If you were a trade unionist, a Labour supporter, a football supporter, a foreigner, you weren't part of the Tory world under Thatcher.  The police wasn't only institutionally racist - it was infiltrated by a lot of right wing thugs.  Not all the police but enough of them
to treat the likes of football supporters with contempt - a crowd to be controlled with force and treated like cattle, not to be kept safe.

The police are to blame but they operated within a culture that was set by Thatcher and Murdoch.

Some sense. It was class war. Simple.

Despite a painstakingly long enquiry, it's amazing how some football fans on here think the fans must still be to blame.

Shows just how the evil lies of the police reinforced by the press and government were allowed to infest the public consciousness.

Why shouldn't the families sue ?

Many of the Campaigners had to take early retirement to focus on campaigning, this recent inquest is the only time they haven't had to pay for their own legal team, so they've all spent a load of money to get this far,  it's taken a strain on peoples health and it's taken a financial strain so why shouldn't they sue