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pontoonlew
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Suspected he wouldn't stay TBH. At least it's not "them".
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bol1ocks! that's going to buggger up hurst's planning. that midfield 3 had looked really good
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Not surprised, very good player. Looks like Danny Wilson looking to snap up the better non-league players having already signed Kristian Dennis, scores goals totally out of nothing.

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Got to be honest this one stings a little  
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Oh this is pants if true
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Still only rumours at this stage....
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Big blow if true. I know Mike White from humberside has tweeted this but where else has this come from?


"Falls to Arnold... Arnold! That's it! Thats it! He's sealed it! Grimsby Town are back in the football league!!! Just a minute to go and Nathan Arnold makes it 3-1! Look at the scenes behind the goal! Look at the relief! The agony is finally over!!!"

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nothing on their messageboard yet!
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Gutted but Hurst may bring in another little talent
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Gutted but Hurst may bring in another little talent
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BigChris & matt dannatt believe P.H has known about this for a while
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Gutted with this one, he looked absolutely class on the ball
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slightly annoying, he wasn't going anywhere when we got him. money and level talks though, its a blow if true
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Gutted with this one, he looked absolutely class on the ball
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Hurst found one, he'll find another.
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Gutted. Big loss if true  


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Remember when Mike White and Matt Dean tweeted about Josh Gowling and Pearson leaving? Let's wait till there's an official announcement shall we.
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Hurst signed him untill the end of the season, if Hurst really thought he was that good why didn't he give him an 18 month contract?  Like he did LJL when we signed him in the January transfer window?


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Quoted from Nelly GTFC
Hurst signed him untill the end of the season, if Hurst really thought he was that good why didn't he give him an 18 month contract?  Like he did LJL when we signed him in the January transfer window?


Can you imagine the fishy reaction  to that back in January - it was bad enough that he'd given him a 5 month deal
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If this is true then I feel a bit let down by Nolan. His career was nosediving after being in poor Stockport sides, then doing nothing at Lincoln (not his fault arguably but point remains) and not getting a contract at Wrexham. PH put some faith in him, stuck him straight in to the starting eleven and helps him finally get his career back on track. Repays him by buggering off straight away. I know loyalty is a thing of the past but the fact this has come about so soon suggests he's been talking to them for a while at least. Big blow for planning but he's not irreplaceable.


Looking forward to a brighter future now Fenty has gone.
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If this is true then I feel a bit let down by Nolan. His career was nosediving after being in poor Stockport sides, then doing nothing at Lincoln (not his fault arguably but point remains) and not getting a contract at Wrexham. PH put some faith in him, stuck him straight in to the starting eleven and helps him finally get his career back on track. Repays him by buggering off straight away. I know loyalty is a thing of the past but the fact this has come about so soon suggests he's been talking to them for a while at least. Big blow for planning but he's not irreplaceable.


I'll wait until it's confirmed he's buggering off before basically agreeing with this.


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Hope these rumours are untrue. I think he could be an important player next season!
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It's as big a blow as losing Podge would be this.

We've taken years to find a midfielder like Nolan, he was MOM in almost every game he played. His inclusion in the midfield in the play offs in a 4-3-3 in my opinion saved our season and won us promotion.

No malice in him trying to further himself. An excellent excellent player and we owe him a huge thanks. Without him I've a feeling this season would've played out differently.
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Hate rumours, think I'll check in later when the facts have been released.........
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Anyone who is seriously having a go at any player, not just Nolan, for leaving for a better placed club to earn more money needs to take a serious look at themselves.

It's a job to them. A job in a very short career.
Put yourself in their shoes, you get a short-term contract with a company and at the end of it you've done so well that said company are prepared to give you a longer deal.  However a bigger company with better prospects are now offering you even more money.  

How many on here would stay with the first job?  
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Quoted from diehardmariner
Anyone who is seriously having a go at any player, not just Nolan, for leaving for a better placed club to earn more money needs to take a serious look at themselves.

It's a job to them. A job in a very short career.
Put yourself in their shoes, you get a short-term contract with a company and at the end of it you've done so well that said company are prepared to give you a longer deal.  However a bigger company with better prospects are now offering you even more money.  

How many on here would stay with the first job?  


Yeah but nobody arranged an open top bus tour for me when I last got promoted at work


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If they did organise an open top bus for you, would it persuade you to stay against a better job with more money?
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If it's true thanks for everything, you breathed life into a faltering promotion bid and your endless drive and energy were absolutely essential in getting us back into the Football League. If it's not true, please put pen to paper asap and become part of a drive up the divisions.


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Yes because i'm lazy and moving house is a right pain in the bottom


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Oh, for f#ck's sake this had better not be true.  This is a blow, no doubt.  Bl##dy Chesterfield as well!  They're punching above their weight up there, I reckon.  

He'll be hard to replace.  Our best central midfielder, definitely.
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Confirmed by Nolan himself in a letter to @officialgtfc
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well good luck i guess


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Good luck but feel pretty drunk off.
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Quoted from diehardmariner
Anyone who is seriously having a go at any player, not just Nolan, for leaving for a better placed club to earn more money needs to take a serious look at themselves.

It's a job to them. A job in a very short career.
Put yourself in their shoes, you get a short-term contract with a company and at the end of it you've done so well that said company are prepared to give you a longer deal.  However a bigger company with better prospects are now offering you even more money.  

How many on here would stay with the first job?  


Depends on circumstances. If I'd been performing poorly for a number of years and a company took a punt on me and resurrected my career, truthfully I'd be inclined to stay with them for a little longer at least as a show of gratitude.

You're right that it's a short career and I do genuinely wish him well as he's played a big part in getting us back to the FL. He has absolutely every right to get the most amount of money available to him. I just feel a bit more loyalty to a man who has played a huge part in rescuing your career wouldn't have gone amiss, maybe I'm old fashioned.


Looking forward to a brighter future now Fenty has gone.
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Apparently not the end of the bad news were gonna get today either...Hankies,chocolate & alcohol at the ready    
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Confirmed then, good luck to him. Now we go out and find someone as good. No pressure Paul!


Looking forward to a brighter future now Fenty has gone.
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It's what happens when you are non league and hand out short contracts i'm afraid. One of the benefits of being back in the league is more stability in this area.  If he is moving on, then he gets my thanks for a short but telling stay at BP.


Edit: confirmed whilst posting. Good luck Jon and nice use of the scouse "use".
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Apparently not the end of the bad news were gonna get today either...Hankies,chocolate & alcohol at the ready    


OH NO. MONKEY'S NOT GETTING AN EXTENSION IS HE?
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Oddly enough, I said on here only yesterday that I hoped he'd stay but feared he'd be poached by a League 1 club. Hardly surprising then if true. A stand-out player for me since his arrival; he'll be a great asset to any lower league club with his never-say-die attitude. While many seemed to me to be already on holiday on Sunday (and yes, I was actually there), Nolan was one of few players showing the real desire to win. Good luck to him wherever he goes, if he does.
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Quoted from Nelly GTFC
Hurst signed him untill the end of the season, if Hurst really thought he was that good why didn't he give him an 18 month contract?  Like he did LJL when we signed him in the January transfer window?


Hurst thought he was good but he might have turned out rubbish. Also, maybe Nolan thought he was good and just needed the right stage.  He might have only wanted 5 months to put himself in the shop window.  It was clear at Wembley that he is a player who likes the big stage.
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Left a bitter taste this one. Feel like he used us, ok it's what's best for his career but can't help but feel like he owed us a year after picking him up off the footballing scrap heap. I don't really want to conform like the rest and wish him well, in fact I hope he falls flat on his face at Chesterfield.

But that's football I guess. Paul Hurst picked him up out of nowhere and I'm sure he'll do the same with his replacement.

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"Falls to Arnold... Arnold! That's it! Thats it! He's sealed it! Grimsby Town are back in the football league!!! Just a minute to go and Nathan Arnold makes it 3-1! Look at the scenes behind the goal! Look at the relief! The agony is finally over!!!"

John Tondeur - Wembley Stadium Sunday 15th May 2016
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Would imagine that he will be much closer to home, as well as playing a league above, as well as a longer contract as well as more money. it's a no brainer. at least if hurst knew it was coming he will have had a few more weeks to assess his options. can't see disley or clay playing every week so looks like we're going to have a complete new midfield
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Owes us nothing, played his part in getting us promoted and now moving on to better things, we did not improve his game it was just that he knitted in to our style better than Wrexham and Lincoln.

Best of luck Jon, we move on
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Owes us nothing, played his part in getting us promoted and now moving on to better things, we did not improve his game it was just that he knitted in to our style better than Wrexham and Lincoln.

Best of luck Jon, we move on
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Owes us nothing, played his part in getting us promoted and now moving on to better things, we did not improve his game it was just that he knitted in to our style better than Wrexham and Lincoln.

Best of luck Jon, we move on
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Hurst has found a gem before in Nolan and i have full confidence he will find another
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Quoted from LondonMariner43
Hurst thought he was good but he might have turned out rubbish. Also, maybe Nolan thought he was good and just needed the right stage.  He might have only wanted 5 months to put himself in the shop window.  It was clear at Wembley that he is a player who likes the big stage.
Makes sense, thanks for the reply.


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Depends on circumstances. If I'd been performing poorly for a number of years and a company took a punt on me and resurrected my career, truthfully I'd be inclined to stay with them for a little longer at least as a show of gratitude.

You're right that it's a short career and I do genuinely wish him well as he's played a big part in getting us back to the FL. He has absolutely every right to get the most amount of money available to him. I just feel a bit more loyalty to a man who has played a huge part in rescuing your career wouldn't have gone amiss, maybe I'm old fashioned.


Fair play to you then.  
Personally I would do exactly the same as him, look after No. 1.
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The actual loss of Nolan is massive though.

Whilst we can console ourselves that Hurst has found gems before and he'll find another, his track record in finding central midfielders isn't all that great.  Arguably it's the position he's weakest in.  

Disley was a great signing and has remained a mainstay for the last five years.  Clay was a rough diamond that has turned out better than most thought would, but many still have doubts over him.   The rest of the central midfield signings have generally disappointed.

I'm sure Hurst will already have someone in mind to replace Nolan and I do trust him to find a suitable replacement, I'm just not sure it'll be as easy as some think.
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There's no loyalty in football any more. We signed Nolan for 6 months and had he not been any good we would have dumped him. As it happens he's been excellent and it's been noticed so good luck to the lad and thanks for contribution. He's got bills to pay the same as the rest of us and if someone offers more money he has to go for it.
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Gutted.
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Very disappointed by this but grateful for the job he did for us. I wish him all the best. Feels similar to Townsend (even though he was only on loan).  We put them in the shop window and they did us proud.

Hopefully at some point today we'll get some good news.  
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Quoted from diehardmariner


Fair play to you then.  
Personally I would do exactly the same as him, look after No. 1.


Fair enough, entirely up to the individual and there's no right or wrong answer. Certainly when you've played your part in bringing success to current/previous employer!


Looking forward to a brighter future now Fenty has gone.
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Absolutely!

The fact he's got offers from higher clubs is evidence that he's done a good job for us, one that we've benefited from.

Win win situation really.
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Quoted from diehardmariner
The actual loss of Nolan is massive though.

Whilst we can console ourselves that Hurst has found gems before and he'll find another, his track record in finding central midfielders isn't all that great.  Arguably it's the position he's weakest in.  

Disley was a great signing and has remained a mainstay for the last five years.  Clay was a rough diamond that has turned out better than most thought would, but many still have doubts over him.   The rest of the central midfield signings have generally disappointed.

I'm sure Hurst will already have someone in mind to replace Nolan and I do trust him to find a suitable replacement, I'm just not sure it'll be as easy as some think.


We are a more attractive prospect now though and will have a different bracket of players to look at.

We have been down and have become prey to the teams that have left us behind. Hopefully we will work our way back up and start being a team that takes players from the sort of team we are at the moment. We are vulnerable to this type of swoop but hopefully that will change over the coming season or two.
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God I hope so, it's galling having the vultures cherry pick our finest. Nolan could be worth some serious moolah in time.
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I assume that PH would have been informed of his and others intentions quite early on and therefore would already have been looking for replacements. In PH we trust! UTM


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If its true Hursty has known about this for a while I'm sure he's got targets in mind.
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Quoted from mariner91


Depends on circumstances. If I'd been performing poorly for a number of years and a company took a punt on me and resurrected my career, truthfully I'd be inclined to stay with them for a little longer at least as a show of gratitude.

You're right that it's a short career and I do genuinely wish him well as he's played a big part in getting us back to the FL. He has absolutely every right to get the most amount of money available to him. I just feel a bit more loyalty to a man who has played a huge part in rescuing your career wouldn't have gone amiss, maybe I'm old fashioned.
My views as well.Was without a club for one reason or another and Hurst took a chance on him as obviously saw something in him.I like to think our fans/objective this season and the history of this club inspired him to show what he was really about as was proved with his excellent performances for us.For myself I was impressed by what I saw and Iam very disappointed he  left us.If we wouldn't have come in for him chances are he wouldn't of got that move.For me he should of stayed that bit longer.Will he be on a lot more at Chesterfield than us I doubt it .Probably the prestige of playing league 1 was what its all about

Having said that like Hurst eternally grateful for playing a big part in getting us back in the league



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Disappointed by him. Hursty got his career back on track after it was on a downtrail and maybe he should look at Vose at Scunny. Go from Conference to league 1 club and can't get on the bench. Balls to himz


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It's as big a blow as losing Podge would be this.

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Its much worse, the chances of Amond repeating his goal scoring next season are remote (certainly not 30 or even 20+ I suggest) Nolan has the class to have performed just as well if not better in Div 2 company


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1]   ok Garth

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Everything seems to be working at a snails pace, then rat a tat tat, just like the number 9 bus they all appear at the same time lol
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Disappointing for sure but he's got the ability to play at a higher level and I'm sure his wages will be at a higher level too. What price loyalty eh, suspect that Podge will follow a similar path tbh.
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Quoted from Rik e B
God I hope so, it's galling having the vultures cherry pick our finest. Nolan could be worth some serious moolah in time.


When he signed I said that I remember him controlling the game when we played away at Stockport however looking at their forum when he joined us many said they were glad to see the back of him, as did many Lincoln fans so it would seem that his performances at times haven't endeared him to many of his clubs supporters.

Personally I think he has been the difference between us going up or staying down and will be sad to see him leave.

Let's hope PH finds another Nolan rather than another Straker.
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Neat and tidy player. Looked much better when in with Disley and Clay.

Very over estimated as a player on here, IMO. Our record with him in the side isn't that great.

I think we'll be able to replace him relatively easily now we are in League Two and can have a bigger pool of players to go for.

I think League One will be a struggle for him. But good luck to the lad.
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There's plenty of talented midfielders like Nolan in the national league with the same desire and attitude.
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Don't worry he'll be back on loan by January


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There's plenty of talented midfielders like Nolan in the national league with the same desire and attitude.


That's OK then if we were in the National League - but we're not any more!
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Once he was given freedom from defensive duties Nolan looked a much better player. If he gets the chance to play in a 4-3-3 at Chesterfield I think he could be OK but in a 4-4-2 his positional play isn't good enough, certainly for that level.

I don't blame the lad one bit. We don't know who wanted what out of that 5 month deal. I suppose he was "rescued" in a way but it might have been Nolan himself who only wanted a short term deal for all I know. I wouldn't be surprised if this move to Chesterfield has been on the cards for a while either so the manager may well have thought about a replacement already.

Anyway, he's gone now so let's find another one please Mr Hurst.


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Hurst will find better he always does if theres one thing Hurst is, is that he is a good scout (in the summer that is   )


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Quoted from Garth


Everything seems to be working at a snails pace, then rat a tat tat, just like the number 9 bus they all appear at the same time lol


This site is that slow I put a post on here in December that Nolan would be signing for us and he would be leaving in May for Chesterfield but it hasn,t come through yet. I have also made public that Town will be signing 4 players from  Chelsea. This will most likely come through in December..
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That's OK then if we were in the National League - but we're not any more!


Yea true we are a league team now. However you try telling the likes of Peterborough, Sheffield United etc who sign non league players. There is no harm in cherry picking the best players in non league if they have the potential to go onto bigger and better things.
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Good luck to the lad even if I do feel a bit sour , we all know footballers don't know the meaning of the word 'loyalty' . Hurst gave him a chance when no one else would , and he helped us get to where we wanted so I suppose even though he left we got our use out of him just like he got his use out of us to secure a move to a bigger club in a higher division . Fox
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That's OK then if we were in the National League - but we're not any more!


True, but do we want good national league players on the up or league 1 or 2 players that others don't rate?

In any event, we need 2/3 good centre midfield players with pace and energy to give us a chance of succeeding in L2. I had hoped that one of these would be Nolan, shame he's gone. Clay and Disley are too slow and we need better at this higher level. I would release Clay and keep Disley as backup though.

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I think Hursty may well find someone as good, it's just he can find him as cheap as Nolan presumably was.


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Going to miss Nolan, was a class act. He was certainly instrumental in getting us promoted, so he departs on good terms!

Wish him all the best and will no doubt do well at Chesterfield. Otherwise, we want him back when we are in League 1 the season after!


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Oh well. He's gone it's not the end of the world. Hurst has an eye for a player. He'll find someone to fill his boots. It's over and done with now no point have a 20 page discussion on if buts and maybes it's done get over it!
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Going to miss Nolan, was a class act. He was certainly instrumental in getting us promoted, so he departs on good terms!

Wish him all the best and will no doubt do well at Chesterfield. Otherwise, we want him back when we are in League 1 the season after!


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The posts saying we'll replace him easily, it's not quite that easy. It took us 6 years to find somebody of this caliber at it is.

We're going to need a big midfield rebuild and losing Nolan is a mega blow to that.
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If this was known about for a while then fair play to Jon for continuing to give it his all throughout the playoffs. Wish him luck for the future as he will always be part of the team that got us back to the Football League.

On another note, is he at the right age for us to receive compensation if we did offer him a contract? I can't remember the age or what the exact rules were for this
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I'd have been happy to see him stay, but let's not kid ourselves, we've not been doing that well with him in the team since he joined. It is only really since we played him in a midfield 3 that he began to influence games enough in the attacking third and we looked looser at the back when he played in a middle two. On the other hand, he did enough there to earn his move up the League and helped us win promotion so good luck to him.

I'm sort of hoping this will leave us with a space to sign a powerful and athletic midfielder who can play effectively either in a midfield 3 or a central 2. On the other hand, Venney and Clifton look to be decent footballers so I wonder if this give either of them to the opportunity to make the step up?
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Disappointed but can't begrudge him it after the contribution he's made.

Hope he scores the goals that send scunny and franchise down next season


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The posts saying we'll replace him easily, it's not quite that easy. It took us 6 years to find somebody of this caliber at it is.

We're going to need a big midfield rebuild and losing Nolan is a mega blow to that.


A blow? Yes. A mega blow? Nah. We're in a much better position to attract players than we were 12 months ago. Won't be easy , but bit early to be hanging any albatrosses round our neck I think.

Off topic but can Grim Rob have a word with Mr Hurst and get him to provide all the players IP addresses and only allow them to use old nokia phones?
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We all got our knickers in a twist when Townsend, Magnay and Lenny left and look where we are now.


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Tbf if we'd somehow kept hold of Townsend it would have been flipping ace


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Quoted from pontoonlew
The posts saying we'll replace him easily, it's not quite that easy. It took us 6 years to find somebody of this caliber at it is.

We're going to need a big midfield rebuild and losing Nolan is a mega blow to that.


You've changed your tune since January!

http://forum.thefishy.co.uk/Blah.pl?m-1453377817/highlight-Nolan//id-1019017

I'm really sorry he's gone. Was a treat to watch a midfielder in the Conference so comfortable on the ball and so keen to get hold of it and influence play. Good offer for him to go to League 1 so can't blame him and wish him well.
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Gutted Nolan's leaving.  More so than if we'd lost any other player in our squad I think. A real class player, great and computable in possession under pressure.

Surprised that there are so many who think he owed it to us to stay and should've showed some loyalty to us. That just isn't how football works. Players want to play at the highest possible level and money is a factor too in a short career.

Loyalty could work both ways too. If he should be loyal to us, should we be loyal to the squad that got us promoted and offer new deals to Monkhouse, JPP, Hoban etc?

Good luck Jon. I enjoyed watching you play. Hopefully Hurst can find a suitable replacement, something I don't doubt he's capable of.


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I'm not sure but are we due any compensation due to him being under 24 and offering him a contract??
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You've changed your tune since January!

http://forum.thefishy.co.uk/Blah.pl?m-1453377817/highlight-Nolan//id-1019017

I'm really sorry he's gone. Was a treat to watch a midfielder in the Conference so comfortable on the ball and so keen to get hold of it and influence play. Good offer for him to go to League 1 so can't blame him and wish him well.


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We wouldn't have got anything for him even if he was under 24. Those payments are to reflect development work teams have done bringing through youngsters. We'd have done well to claim we developed him much in 4 months.
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Disappointing and will be very hard to replace. Always wants the ball and set piece delivery is consistently very good - rare credentials. He was absolutely instrumental in all 3 wembley goals. Sad to lose him.


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I can't fault him for going if he's got more money a longer contract plus a league higher , there's no room for sentiment in football these day , just ask some of our players that have found themselves out of work today
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I have a mate who is a scunny fan and he reckons Sean McAllister would be a great replacement (they have released him)
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Bit of a blow.


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Thing is, he might not make a fist of it at Chesterfield, even though I hope he does.

Football at this level isn't the high octane stuff of the National League with only one promotion place available, play offs apart. Relegation from Division 1 isn't the end of things either, where it is from division 2. His game might not suit this level, who knows?

Hopefully we'll have not just one, but hopefully two semi decent midfielders of his ilk to take his place. No one man is bigger than the club. We move on.


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Shame, I always thought he was a tidy player since
Seeing him for Stockport. Exciting when he runs with the ball, will be a miss.
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Echo all the comments Jon had a touch of class and was the main play maker whilst here. He looked very comfortable on the ball but his movement and keenness to get the ball was refreshing to see. He wanted to run the show and did so, always looked good and shielded possession with a  great turn that often out foxed opponents be a tough one to replace but good luck to him.  
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Big shame, but it has turned out to be a mutually beneficial 4/5 months. Played a very influential part in our promotion and put himself in the shop window. I genuinely hope his career kicks on now as he looks a class above the National League and League 2. Good luck to him!


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Plenty more out there. Not that fussed.

Good luck to the bloke and thanks for what you did to help us get promoted 👍🏾


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Not quite a League 1 player but plenty to come from this copper top. Long term never a safe bet with scousers in the dressing room.
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Huge step up for him baring in mind most didn't think he was upto it, not that far back - Gateshead...
Be interesting to see how he gets on 2 leagues above. Playing well against Barrow and Braintree is one thing, the likes of Sheff Utd and Charlton in a team that will no doubt be fighting for the drop is another. Must have been offered a fair wedge


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Yes might be too high too soon and might even struggle to get game time. Another year with us could have done his development the world of good but it's done now.
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I never got the love for Nolan. Don't get me wrong he was a decent player, but Danny Cowley was right about him in my opinion. And our results with him in the team were dreadful:-

Nolan started 18 regular season league games...

Played 18
Won 7
Drawn 4
Lost 7
Points 25
GD -1

And the 28 regular season league games where Nolan didn't start...

Played 28
Won 15
Drawn 10
Lost 3
Points 55
GD +38

For such a "great" player the stats seem to suggest that as a team we were a hell of a lot worse with him in midfield than without him. No great loss in my opinion.
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One word: Townsend.
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My opinion of him changed dramatically and he looked much better as he got much match fitter.

The lad has real talent and as someone said to me once "you become a better player if you play with better players" so as well as the step up in league status he is taking his chance.

Overall he did a good job for us and the relationship clearly worked both ways in the end.

Good luck & thank you.

Time to sign another player to replace him and we all move on.


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Quoted from GollyGTFC
I never got the love for Nolan. Don't get me wrong he was a decent player, but Danny Cowley was right about him in my opinion. And our results with him in the team were dreadful:-

Nolan started 18 regular season league games...

Played 18
Won 7
Drawn 4
Lost 7
Points 25
GD -1

And the 28 regular season league games where Nolan didn't start...

Played 28
Won 15
Drawn 10
Lost 3
Points 55
GD +38

For such a "great" player the stats seem to suggest that as a team we were a hell of a lot worse with him in midfield than without him. No great loss in my opinion.


I think it's unfair to compare stats in games with Conor Townsend to games where he didn't play as I think it's universally agreed that he had a huge effect on our performances and results.

With Conor was played 9, won 7, drew 1, lost 1. So 22 points. Which means games without Conor and without Nolan would read:
Played 19, won 8, drawn 9, lost 2. Points haul of 33. Which isn't hugely different to games with Nolan. The difference in the main was the horrible form at the end of the league season but that was down to players losing form, not solely from having Nolan in the team.

He's undoubtedly a loss in my opinion but not irreplaceable.



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I think it's unfair to compare stats in games with Conor Townsend to games where he didn't play as I think it's universally agreed that he had a huge effect on our performances and results.

With Conor was played 9, won 7, drew 1, lost 1. So 22 points. Which means games without Conor and without Nolan would read:
Played 19, won 8, drawn 9, lost 2. Points haul of 33. Which isn't hugely different to games with Nolan. The difference in the main was the horrible form at the end of the league season but that was down to players losing form, not solely from having Nolan in the team.

He's undoubtedly a loss in my opinion but not irreplaceable.



This.

The team took their foot off the pedal a bit towards the end when we were pretty sure of a play off place but not in the title race and that had an impact on our form at the end, just like it did for FGR.


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I think it's unfair to compare stats in games with Conor Townsend to games where he didn't play as I think it's universally agreed that he had a huge effect on our performances and results.

With Conor was played 9, won 7, drew 1, lost 1. So 22 points. Which means games without Conor and without Nolan would read:
Played 19, won 8, drawn 9, lost 2. Points haul of 33. Which isn't hugely different to games with Nolan. The difference in the main was the horrible form at the end of the league season but that was down to players losing form, not solely from having Nolan in the team.

He's undoubtedly a loss in my opinion but not irreplaceable.



If a full back has far more impact on the team than the midfielder then how effective was the midfielder?

Nolan was neat and tidy which caught the eye at this level as we haven't seen it that often in recent years. However, his positional sense, defensively, left us open many times. Some say that's because he was an offensive player but I don't remember him opening up defenses too often in games where teams came to defend and hopefully nick a goal. In those type of games he was more of a negative then a positive. You could see he was trying to improve his defensive side but often that would result in an poor desperate challenge and giving away a foul.

He did have a very good first touch and could often squeeze out of tight situations. He was excellent in the play-off final. For the play-off final alone, I wish him all the best with his next club.

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I think it's unfair to compare stats in games with Conor Townsend to games where he didn't play as I think it's universally agreed that he had a huge effect on our performances and results.

With Conor was played 9, won 7, drew 1, lost 1. So 22 points. Which means games without Conor and without Nolan would read:
Played 19, won 8, drawn 9, lost 2. Points haul of 33. Which isn't hugely different to games with Nolan. The difference in the main was the horrible form at the end of the league season but that was down to players losing form, not solely from having Nolan in the team.

He's undoubtedly a loss in my opinion but not irreplaceable.



If you take our record with Nolan in the team (7-4-7) over 46 games that would leave us with around 64 points. (11th this season)
If you take our record with Conor in the team (7-1-1) over 46 games that would leave us with around 112 points. (Champions)
If you take our record with neither in the team (8-9-2) over 46 games that would leave us with around 80 points. (Exactly what we ended up with)

So the stats actual say that generally we were a team heading towards 80 points. Connor Townsend improved us and our results. Jon Nolan did the exact opposite.
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Yep, blame our terrible end of season performances on Nolan. Blame him for our defence going to pieces, for Arnold's loss of form. Don't consider that he was involved in everyone of our playoff goals.

Give him some credit ffs, our results coincidentally went downhill but that was always going to happen when you replace Townsend with Robertson/ Horwood. Even without affecting our results, he still showed he was a fantastic player and more than capable of L2.

I'm not begrudging him a move, this is football and you go as high as you can. Would anyone blame Amond for leaving after we picked him up off the 'scrap heap' so to speak? I hope not.


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If a full back has far more impact on the team than the midfielder then how effective was the midfielder?





I think you should look at how much better Monkhouse looked playing in front of the pace of Townsend as opposed to the more pedestrian Robertson and Horwood.
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Yep, blame our terrible end of season performances on Nolan. Blame him for our defence going to pieces, for Arnold's loss of form. Don't consider that he was involved in everyone of our playoff goals.


A good defence normally has a solid midfield protecting it. This is Nolan's massive weakness. Take a look at the first leg against Braintree. Akinola charging towards the penalty area. Nolan has the chance to foul him and take a card for the team. He pulls out of the challenge and leaves Gowling exposed. Does anyone think Disley or Clay would have done the same and let Akinola continue his run? Never. He also gives the ball away too much. Look at the Promotion Final. It was Nolan who got robbed of the ball when Jon Parkin inexplicably missed at the far post.

I just think we can do better and it's no great loss.
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If a full back has far more impact on the team than the midfielder then how effective was the midfielder?



You clearly didn't get to the games Townsend played in.
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The interesting connection between Nolan and Townsend is Monkhouse.

Townsend and Monkhouse were a great combination - a fast overlapping full back and a ball winning midifielder.

With Townsend gone, we struggled to replicate that and Hurst made several attempts -
Marshall was best shot but injured and inconsistent until making an impact v Braintree.

Nolan was a creative force going forward compared to Clay but made us weaker defensively.  It turned out he was best in a midfield 3 along side Clay and Disley but that would mean dropping Monkhouse.

Only in the second leg v Braintree and v FGR did PH get it right.

So strangely losing a defender weakened our attack and signing an attacking midfielder weakened our defence!
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This thread is hilarious. Hurst signed Nolan and said he was someone he'd always tracked and when he became available, he swooped. He plays him in every game from that point, we win promotion and for me Nolan was the difference in midfield. Nolan is then cherry picked by a League 1 side and still people are saying he isn't all that. I suppose Hurst and the Chesterfield manager are not very savvy with signings then.  
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A good defence normally has a solid midfield protecting it. This is Nolan's massive weakness. Take a look at the first leg against Braintree. Akinola charging towards the penalty area. Nolan has the chance to foul him and take a card for the team. He pulls out of the challenge and leaves Gowling exposed. Does anyone think Disley or Clay would have done the same and let Akinola continue his run? Never. He also gives the ball away too much. Look at the Promotion Final. It was Nolan who got robbed of the ball when Jon Parkin inexplicably missed at the far post.

I just think we can do better and it's no great loss.


He gave the ball away a whole lot less than our other centre midfielders. I agree he wasn't great defensively but then I think PH got the set up wrong for a long time with him in it. He excelled in a three which offered him a more solid base from which to dictate play from. What he did though was dictate play a lot more than Disley or Clay have ever done, had a wonderful set piece delivery from which we scored some very important goals and was the first midfielder we've had since Bolland who was capable of carrying the ball forward. He's not a complete midfielder but that was why he was playing for us in the National League. In my mind, he was worth changing the system for as he has undoubted quality on the ball that is rarely seen at the level we were playing at. Doing that got us up, so it's a no brainer in my opinion.


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This thread is hilarious. Hurst signed Nolan and said he was someone he'd always tracked and when he became available, he swooped. He plays him in every game from that point, we win promotion and for me Nolan was the difference in midfield. Nolan is then cherry picked by a League 1 side and still people are saying he isn't all that. I suppose Hurst and the Chesterfield manager are not very savvy with signings then.  


I think it just a emphasises that a team is the important issue not the value of the players within that team. To me, Nolan was at his most effective when both Clay and Dis were alongside him (Wrexham and Braintree away), Monkhouse was far more effective when he played with Townsend, Amond looked better with Bogle than he did with Hoban etc...
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This thread is hilarious. Hurst signed Nolan and said he was someone he'd always tracked and when he became available, he swooped. He plays him in every game from that point, we win promotion and for me Nolan was the difference in midfield. Nolan is then cherry picked by a League 1 side and still people are saying he isn't all that. I suppose Hurst and the Chesterfield manager are not very savvy with signings then.  


This thread is hilarious because of how defensive people get about any criticism of Nolan.

Unless I missed some posts nobody has said Nolan was a bad player just not as good as some make out on here. His impact to the team was a lot more limited then some are making out.

He is clearly a good player but he needs the right system to get the best out of him. Chesterfield may have signed him but it will be interesting to see how he does at that level. I have my doubts but I wish him well.

He is also not irreplaceable.
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I thought most Town players offered contracts would accept them. The euphoria of promotion, playing a higher level, the ambition to push on with the club.

But when a higher league team like Chesterfield come in can you really blame a player for taking the opportunity? It is a blow to lose Nolan, he was one of our best players since he arrived. But for fans to have  go and call him for showing no loyalty here's  a news flash chaps..there is no loyalty in football....just ask Craig Clay or Gregor Robertson.

I would have been more gutted if he had simply gone to another League 2 club. Cant knock a lad for wanting to better himself.

I wish him good luck.

As has been said Hurst has a good reputation for picking up good players and i am hopeful he can  bring more into to club. No-one is irreplacable.
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This thread is hilarious because of how defensive people get about any criticism of Nolan.

Unless I missed some posts nobody has said Nolan was a bad player just not as good as some make out on here. His impact to the team was a lot more limited then some are making out.

He is clearly a good player but he needs the right system to get the best out of him. Chesterfield may have signed him but it will be interesting to see how he does at that level. I have my doubts but I wish him well.

He is also not irreplaceable.


i think the worry people have mal, is that it's taken hurst years to find another decent midfielder apart from disley and then he's gone 4 months after signing. I'm sure that hurst will have several other options lined up, but its just frustrating/disappointing to lose that breath of fresh air that nolan was so quickly
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i think the worry people have mal, is that it's taken hurst years to find another decent midfielder apart from disley and then he's gone 4 months after signing. I'm sure that hurst will have several other options lined up, but its just frustrating/disappointing to lose that breath of fresh air that nolan was so quickly


I think now we are back in the football league we will have more options available to us. So IMO it's not overly concerning.
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This thread is hilarious because of how defensive people get about any criticism of Nolan.

Unless I missed some posts nobody has said Nolan was a bad player just not as good as some make out on here. His impact to the team was a lot more limited then some are making out.

He is clearly a good player but he needs the right system to get the best out of him. Chesterfield may have signed him but it will be interesting to see how he does at that level. I have my doubts but I wish him well.

He is also not irreplaceable.


Not getting defensive. I just find it hilarious that two football league managers rate him yet some fans on a messageboard are saying that he will be no loss and we were at our worst when he was in the side.
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Looked better in a three in midfield. I was thinkinh if we lost Podge that we'd play 4-3-3 with Omar as the loan front man with Arnold and another on the flanks as I think that role would suit Nath better. Then another athletic midfielder who can get box to box, all hypothetical and irrelevant now though but I thought it was an idea.


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The signing of Nolan was mutually beneficial to both parties - he helped us get promoted and he had the opportunity to show what he can really do and consequently further his career. I don't get some of the criticism on here especially where loyalty is concerned. Nolans first and only concern should be about his life , his career and what he can achieve in what is a relatively short career. In the same way, most of the posters on this site would look at their earnings and long term potential in any job they did.


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The signing of Nolan was mutually beneficial to both parties - he helped us get promoted and he had the opportunity to show what he can really do and consequently further his career. I don't get some of the criticism on here especially where loyalty is concerned. Nolans first and only concern should be about his life , his career and what he can achieve in what is a relatively short career. In the same way, most of the posters on this site would look at their earnings and long term potential in any job they did.


Couldn't agree more however in a couple of years time I'd like to think the likes of chesterfield offering players better deals,/options than we can offer will be a thing of the past . For now fully understand
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Couldn't agree more however in a couple of years time I'd like to think the likes of chesterfield offering players better deals,/options than we can offer will be a thing of the past . For now fully understand


Ah the sensible post....................
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Couldn't agree more however in a couple of years time I'd like to think the likes of chesterfield offering players better deals,/options than we can offer will be a thing of the past . For now fully understand


Unfortunately, that's going to be unlikely for as long as we're still based at Blundell Park.

Traditionally, we've been a better-supported club than Chesterfield but in the past six years since they got their new stadium, they've had an average attendance of well over 6,000 most of the time (around 5,500 in one season).

We've not had an average attendance over 5,000 for a decade and the last season we had an average over 6,000 was back in 2001/02 when we were in the Championship! (called Division 1 back then)

If we have a great season next year (fingers-crossed), I'd be surprised if we got an average attendance much over 5,000.
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Hence why I said a couple of years .. New stadium plans finalised promotion to league 1 momentum building .... Like I said I expect us to be competing with chesterfield on all fronts within a couple of years and overtaking them comfortably in 5 with the new stadium delivered in full.  This town needs that stadium for everybody even people who have no interest in Gtfc , being non league I always thought the whole thing was unachievble now fenty must deliver it and soon
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Wish I shared your optimism about the new stadium!
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Wish I shared your optimism about the new stadium!


Hearing a lot of background noise regarding an imminent announcement and ALL positive I too am optimistic been a hell of a wait.UTM
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Yes I've heard good rumours about the stadium but that's all they are rumours ... Until I see the footings being dug out I believe nowt 🤔
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The footings might only be to bury dead bodies or "old skeletons".  
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