Its the same every week  :-/
We might stumble into the play offs only to be shown up by some part timers ,Give someone a shot at it for the last few games and see what happens.
We really do have nothing to lose by sacking him in the morning

It's not his fault!

It's the lower findus/pontoon/fenty/players/ozzy the tramp fault*


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And just who would you put in charge?

The same part timers who just beat Luton and have now won five away games on the trot? Should all those clubs sack the manager as well?

Quoted from GrimRob

The same part timers who just beat Luton and have now won five away games on the trot? Should all those clubs sack the manager as well?

Ok then Rob in the interests of fairness what about every other home game this year ?

As underwhelming as some of our recent performances have been, sacking a manager with 3 games in the season is flipping STUPID and we should wait until the end of the season to make a decision on Paul Hurst's future.

Anyone who disputes this needs their head checking.

Dont sack him now fgs, but jesus christ that was woeful! flipping woeful. 1 shot on target in each half

Quoted from grimps

Ok then Rob in the interests of fairness what about every other home game this year ?

3 points is 3 points, doesn't matter whether it comes home or away. It's always disappointing to lose a game but we're still fourth and in a strong position to get in the play-offs again.

Everyone has got to get behind PH and put aside any thoughts of getting rid of him with the play-offs looming.

Quoted from Chrisblor

As underwhelming as some of our recent performances have been, sacking a manager with 3 games in the season is flipping STUPID and we should wait until the end of the season to make a decision on Paul Hurst's future.

Anyone who disputes this needs their head checking.

Because he is not going to get us promoted !
Giving someone a chance to see if anyone else can get anything out of this team is probably our only shot .
What we have seen tonight is the same as every other home game this season ,what makes you think he is about to change anything for the play offs ?

Quoted from GrimRob

The same part timers who just beat Luton and have now won five away games on the trot? Should all those clubs sack the manager as well?

Quite. I can understand the frustration, but there does seem to be an inability here to see the wider picture sometimes.

I can't stand the guy and his incredibly negative ways and I can't wait for him to go but not now. Then again why the hell not? At least we'd be going into the playoffs with a have a go attitude!

Quoted from GrimRob

3 points is 3 points, doesn't matter whether it comes home or away. It's always disappointing to lose a game but we're still fourth and in a strong position to get in the play-offs again.

Everyone has got to get behind PH and put aside any thoughts of getting rid of him with the play-offs looming.

But the problem is that we're not playing well and haven't done for months!  If anyone genuinely thinks that this negative manager will get us out of this league they need their head checking.

Quoted from grimps

Because he is not going to get us promoted !
Giving someone a chance to see if anyone else can get anything out of this team is probably our only shot .
What we have seen tonight is the same as every other home game this season ,what makes you think he is about to change anything for the play offs ?

Personally I don't think he is capable of getting us promoted, but he's significantly more likely to get us promoted than a last minute replacement manager.

On hols, just seen the result and completely non-shocked, we've been pretty dire since the cup run and this insistence of playing Kerr and Disley in front of Thanoj who was playing better than both is mind boggling. There's a saying that you get what you deserve and we've got Fenty and Hurst who are both as clueless as each other.

Who do we fancy in the playoffs, any teams in there we have had beaten other than that away game at Cambridge (we have also failed to beat them twice)

Quoted from Quagmire

But the problem is that we're not playing well and haven't done for months!  If anyone genuinely thinks that this negative manager will get us out of this league they need their head checking.

There isn't a column in the league table for playing well, but we've consisently been in the top few in the form table most of the season. We very recently won three away games on the trot without conceding a goal for instance.

I would argue that the play-offs will suit us as they tend to be cagey low-scoring games which nearly every game we play is. Playing in front of our own supporters seems to be a disadvantage and two of the play-off games are away (one of the semis and the final). PH probably has a good a record as any manager in this division in cup games, he's also going to be the only manager to get to the play-offs this season and last season if we do it this year.

Anyone who wants to sack him and have Watkiss as a caretaker at Wembley must be bonkers.

I predict a loss at Alfreton, we get a last minute equaliser against
Hyde, thumped at Braintree. Hurst goes, we advertise for a new manager, no one wants the job and Fenty goes on bended knees and begs Rob Scott to come back.

Ha ha can't wait to beat Halifax in the play off final on pens

Quoted from Chrisblor

Personally I don't think he is capable of getting us promoted, but he's significantly more likely to get us promoted than a last minute replacement manager.

We can all see that he is not going to take us up ,I know a few of the Anoraks that think that blind loyalty will get them a better seat on the bus or a wave off Hurst next time in the Main Stand might not say different but even they know its true.
The only chance we have is making a change now and hoping we get the lucky 3-4 match bounce that a new manager sometimes gets

Quoted from grimps

The only chance we have is making a change now and hoping we get the lucky 3-4 match bounce that a new manager sometimes gets

We just had a lucky 3 match bounce with the current manager! (or do only home games count)

If Hurst goes Watkiss will be manager for the rest of the season. The man who has masterminded the youth team to be bottom of the table with barely a win.

The 3 match bounce had each opposing home team miss a sitter.

Quoted from GrimRob

We just had a lucky 3 match bounce with the current manager! (or do only home games count)

If Hurst goes Watkiss will be manager for the rest of the season. The man who was masterminded the youth team to be bottom of the table with barely a win.

Yeah we was lucky too ,Defend them all you like Rob but he will not be here either way in a couple of weeks .
Everywhere I look tonight Facebook Twitter ect people are saying the same ,, his support is down to the bones

Quoted from Madeleymariner

The 3 match bounce had each opposing home team miss a sitter.

I know but the reason for getting a new manager was "to get the lucky 3-4 match bounce that a new manager sometimes gets". The current incumbent has just done it!!!

It's the amount of changes made week in week out what i can't seem to get a grasp of.

Quoted from grimps

Yeah we was lucky too ,Defend them all you like Rob but he will not be here either way in a couple of weeks .

The only way he won't be here is if you assissinate him (not a suggestion I should add).

The next game is key. I think we have a great chance of beating Alfreton who seem to have gone off the boil. If we do then we guarantee a play off place by beating the whipping boys of Hyde and can give key players a rest at Braintree.

If we lose or draw at Alfreton then beating Hyde leaves us on 76 or 77 points and needing a draw at Braintree to get into the playoffs.  I'm not sure we would make it in those circumstances.  

This is on the basis that Braintree win there next two games. If they don't then we will be ok.

So it is still very much in our hands. We really just need to beat Alfreton.

Quoted from GrimRob

The only way he won't be here is if you assissinate him (not a suggestion I should add).

He will be sacked at the end of this season Rob ,Ill happily put money on it too .
If Fenty wants to try and sell any season tickets this summer he'll struggle with what this clown serves us up every week

Quoted from grimps

He will be sacked at the end of this season Rob ,Ill happily put money on it too .
If Fenty wants to try and sell any season tickets this summer he'll struggle with what this clown serves us up every week

The end of the season is a lot more than 2 weeks away.

League position brings in the crowds far more than "entertainment". Crowds were up 40% last year, they're a bit down this year but still well up on Hurst's predecessors who got nowhere near the play-offs.

Quoted from GrimRob

The end of the season is a lot more than 2 weeks away.

League position brings in the crowds far more than "entertainment". Crowds were up 40% last year, they're a bit down this year but still well up on Hurst's predecessors who got nowhere near the play-offs.

Seasons over already, we aren't good enough to go up. End of.

We all know JF will always back his manager however he's not as stupid as you think and he sees the fans reaction at every home game.   PH did really well but then totally changed his methods (rotating the team for the sake of it) which has had an adverse effect to the momentum the team had.  Then there's the extra signings that haven't really hit the ground running and probably put a few players noses out of joint.  Now the fans are getting restless and the players dont look interested.   Is PH losing the dressing room?  He has struggled to motivate the team for me and we should be going out all guns blazing every home game rather than be the cautious man he has turned out to be.  

What I have difficulty with is,

If Hurst thinks players need a rest because of the amount of games we have played is

Why does he keep playing the two oldest players in every game,?

Quoted from GrimRob

The end of the season is a lot more than 2 weeks away.

League position brings in the crowds far more than "entertainment". Crowds were up 40% last year, they're a bit down this year but still well up on Hurst's predecessors who got nowhere near the play-offs.

Well I'm pleased your happy with all the success and entertainment he has brought us

Quoted from grimps

Its the same every week  :-/
We might stumble into the play offs only to be shown up by some part timers ,Give someone a shot at it for the last few games and see what happens.
We really do have nothing to lose by sacking him in the morning

FFS......and create chaos and disarray at the business end of the season. I know tonight was woeful but that is just a kneejerk reaction.

I don't think we've played well since Huddersfield. God knows what will happen, but let's leave any decisions until the summer.

Quoted from grimsby pete

What I have difficulty with is,

If Hurst thinks players need a rest because of the amount of games we have played is

Why does he keep playing the two oldest players in every game,?

agree Pete they've both been poor recently. Insists on resting players but somehow Disley is undroppable!

Quoted from grimsby pete

What I have difficulty with is,

If Hurst thinks players need a rest because of the amount of games we have played is

Why does he keep playing the two oldest players in every game,?

Absolutely spot on Grimsby Pete - doesn't make sense at all - full stop - said the same a few weeks ago - I'm sure we could have been 15 points better off with the same squad under sensible management

Quoted from grimps

Well I'm pleased your happy with all the success and entertainment he has brought us

If you'd have offered me the league table as it stands now in July I would have bitten your hand off. If we're still in this division next year I will take being fourth and in charge of our own destiny with 3 games to go on 15th April 2015 right now.

He's brought us far more success than anyone else we've had this century. Consistent top 5 finishes and cup success are something some younger fans must never have experienced until PH came. And the fact that gates are up shows the paying public is getting what it wants - a team challenging for prizes at the end of the season.

I can't stand the boring bloke and his team is driving away fans. That was about as boring as it gets tonight. Off our seats once in 90 mins and that chance was created by a defensive lapse. I'm finding it harder and harder to drag myself to BP and most of my mates have stopped going altogether.

We can't replace him at this stage of the season. I said at the time Scott went, that we should have cut our losses and got rid of Hurst too, brought in Mills when he was available and given him the time to build a decent footballing side.

Too late now. We have to see this through and hope to god that we get in the play offs and perform better than of late, but to be honest, i can't see it.

Quoted from GrimRob

He's brought us far more success than anyone else we've had this century.

Not exactly too difficult a feat to achieve considering, but I assume you find the fact that we are more than likely going to STILL be playing non league football next season a 'success' - whatever floats your boat.

Part time teams pay decent wages but have a small squad and a few injuries and it cripples them but do they rotate their team I very much doubt it. I understand resting players due to the number of games in a week is probably fair but its looking like we are the team everyone wants in the pkayoffs.

Quoted from Quagmire

Not exactly too difficult a feat to achieve considering, but I assume you find the fact that we are more than likely going to STILL be playing non league football next season a 'success' - whatever floats your boat.

That would always be the case even if we finished 1 point behind Luton and 15 points ahead of 3rd place. At best a really good team has about a 1 in 3 chance of winning the play-offs, a poor one maybe 1 in 6. So every team who enters the  play-offs is more likely to be unsuccesful then they are successful. The key is to get in them every year then you'll eventually succeed. So far PH has done that, and is on target to do so again.

What sort of contract is ph on - end of season?

Quoted from GrimRob

That would always be the case even if we finished 1 point behind Luton and 15 points ahead of 3rd place. At best a really good team has about a 1 in 3 chance of winning the play-offs, a poor one maybe 1 in 6. So every team who enters the  play-offs is more likely to be unsuccesful then they are successful. The key is to get in them every year then you'll eventually succeed. So far PH has done that, and is on target to do so again.

Rob your in dream land mate

Quoted from ginnywings

his team is driving away fans

On the opening day of the season 4,037 were at BP to see Aldershot The last 2 gates at BP have been 4,174 and  4,374. Our average in the two seasons before, one of which PH arrived at when it was too late to get in the play-offs were 3,072 and 3,141. Hard to see that PH is really driving away fans - people are coming in response to our position near the top of the league I would argue more than any other factor.

Quoted from ginnywings

I can't stand the boring bloke and his team is driving away fans. That was about as boring as it gets tonight. Off our seats once in 90 mins and that chance was created by a defensive lapse. I'm finding it harder and harder to drag myself to BP and most of my mates have stopped going altogether.

We can't replace him at this stage of the season. I said at the time Scott went, that we should have cut our losses and got rid of Hurst too, brought in Mills when he was available and given him the time to build a decent footballing side.

Too late now. We have to see this through and hope to god that we get in the play offs and perform better than of late, but to be honest, i can't see it.

I agree about Mills, said at the time we'd missed an opportunity when he went to Gateshead. Could we prize him away from the Heed in the summer? Depends how ambitious Mr Fenty is.

Quoted from GrimRob

people are coming in response to our position near the top of the league I would argue more than any other factor.

I'd argue it's as much to do with the cheap ticket offers we've had to roll out recently.

Quoted from GrimRob

That would always be the case even if we finished 1 point behind Luton and 15 points ahead of 3rd place. At best a really good team has about a 1 in 3 chance of winning the play-offs, a poor one maybe 1 in 6. So every team who enters the  play-offs is more likely to be unsuccesful then they are successful. The key is to get in them every year then you'll eventually succeed. So far PH has done that, and is on target to do so again.

So in our current state that's about 1 in 20, we are nowhere near good enough, our club is skint and our manager clueless.  We will sell less season tickets next year and be even more indebted to Fenty, if you're happy that that is progress then you mest beon some kind of hallucinatory substance.

Quoted from GrimRob

On the opening day of the season 4,037 were at BP to see Aldershot The last 2 gates at BP have been 4,174 and  4,374. Our average in the two seasons before, one of which PH arrived at when it was too late to get in the play-offs were 3,072 and 3,141. Hard to see that PH is really driving away fans - people are coming in response to our position near the top of the league I would argue more than any other factor.

Good gates but if we were looking more convincing (league tables don't necessarily tell the whole story) we'd be looking at 5k.

The ten changes at dartford might just come back to haunt hurst, because that tonight was dire and we might just miss out on the playoffs

But hurst is so negative it's unreal, even on the radio he comes across as boring, so no wonder there's no urgency in the team apart from the last five mins again.

IMHO I think hurst is now showing how out of his depth he really is now were at the business end of the season, he hasn't got a clue

Halifax wanted it more than us tonight and all hurst can do is stand there with his arms folded.

Baffling to me but what do I know

Quoted from GrimRob

The end of the season is a lot more than 2 weeks away.

League position brings in the crowds far more than "entertainment". Crowds were up 40% last year, they're a bit down this year but still well up on Hurst's predecessors who got nowhere near the play-offs.

Are gates up purely because the club has cottoned on to how to promote the team with endless offers in the paper?  Last year we needed the support to bolster a late challenge, this year we have fared better in a poor league, but the offers seem to have been far more constant than previous years

Quoted from GrimRob

On the opening day of the season 4,037 were at BP to see Aldershot The last 2 gates at BP have been 4,174 and  4,374. Our average in the two seasons before, one of which PH arrived at when it was too late to get in the play-offs were 3,072 and 3,141. Hard to see that PH is really driving away fans - people are coming in response to our position near the top of the league I would argue more than any other factor.

I knew you would highlight that. Fan are turning up more in hope than expectation, because it is the business end of the season and the fans are desperate to see signs that we are capable of going up. Truth is that there would be in excess of 5000 if we looked convincing and put on some decent displays. We are dreadful at home and could be doing so much better on and off the pitch,

I admire your optimism Rob, but i know lots of fans who stopped going a while back, citing the awful football and atmosphere as the main reason.

I don't think now is the time to sack PH

Having said that I'm well and truly fed up after tonight. Absolutely clueless from start to finish, constant hoofball and no fight in the performance at all. Unfortunately performances haven't been up to scratch since our purple patch around november december time and barring Huddersfield I would ask someone to give me one game since then where we have walked away happy with the performance. A few decent results have papered over cracks that have appeared since January and Paul Hurst hasn't had the guts not tactical nouse to turn thing around in our favour.

Constant negative tactics and barely any goals scored. I think we all know deep down that we are very unlikely to get promoted and if we do then dear me, what kind of mess are we in going into League 2. I've bit my tongue for long enough as I've not wanted to come across as negative but there comes a point when it's no longer negative just realistic.

The atmosphere at the home games this season has been flat putting it mildly and we can only look at the negative tactics and lack of football for the reason. And yet again PH comes onto Humberside after that dreadful performance and gives another one of his usual interviews.. not much in the game/unlucky...

Not been this fed up in a long time :(

Quoted from ginnywings

I knew you would highlight that. Fan are turning up more in hope than expectation, because it is the business end of the season and the fans are desperate to see signs that we are capable of going up. Truth is that there would be in excess of 5000 if we looked convincing and put on some decent displays. We are dreadful at home and could be doing so much better on and off the pitch,

I admire your optimism Rob, but i know lots of fans who stopped going a while back, citing the awful football and atmosphere as the main reason.

I agree. I'm finding it very hard to consider going again this season ( only one home match I know) play offs included if we make it. It is boring to watch. The only games I have actually enjoyed at BP are the fa cup games. If that level of performance we witnessed in those 3 games were replicated we would be looking at bigger gates for sure.

Quoted from Mariners_15

I don't think now is the time to sack PH

Having said that I'm well and truly fed up after tonight. Absolutely clueless from start to finish, constant hoofball and no fight in the performance at all. Unfortunately performances haven't been up to scratch since our purple patch around november december time and barring Huddersfield I would ask someone to give me one game since then where we have walked away happy with the performance. A few decent results have papered over cracks that have appeared since January and Paul Hurst hasn't had the guts not tactical nouse to turn thing around in our favour.

Constant negative tactics and barely any goals scored. I think we all know deep down that we are very unlikely to get promoted and if we do then dear me, what kind of mess are we in going into League 2. I've bit my tongue for long enough as I've not wanted to come across as negative but there comes a point when it's no longer negative just realistic.

The atmosphere at the home games this season has been flat putting it mildly and we can only look at the negative tactics and lack of football for the reason. And yet again PH comes onto Humberside after that dreadful performance and gives another one of his usual interviews.. not much in the game/unlucky...

Not been this fed up in a long time :(

Loads of us on here like that mate, but have spoken out for months now, but get shot down all the time.

Like you say it's not negative just realistic

Quoted from Mariners_15

I don't think now is the time to sack PH

Having said that I'm well and truly fed up after tonight. Absolutely clueless from start to finish, constant hoofball and no fight in the performance at all. Unfortunately performances haven't been up to scratch since our purple patch around november december time and barring Huddersfield I would ask someone to give me one game since then where we have walked away happy with the performance. A few decent results have papered over cracks that have appeared since January and Paul Hurst hasn't had the guts not tactical nouse to turn thing around in our favour.

Constant negative tactics and barely any goals scored. I think we all know deep down that we are very unlikely to get promoted and if we do then dear me, what kind of mess are we in going into League 2. I've bit my tongue for long enough as I've not wanted to come across as negative but there comes a point when it's no longer negative just realistic.

The atmosphere at the home games this season has been flat putting it mildly and we can only look at the negative tactics and lack of football for the reason. And yet again PH comes onto Humberside after that dreadful performance and gives another one of his usual interviews.. not much in the game/unlucky...

Not been this fed up in a long time :(

And that's about how I see it , we were inferior in every aspect of the game tonight , with desire been one of the main problems along with our tactics ( what is our game plan anybody ?) I live in hope , but not much belief.

UTM

Quoted from Perkins

I predict a loss at Alfreton, we get a last minute equaliser against
Hyde, thumped at Braintree. Hurst goes, we advertise for a new manager, no one wants the job and Fenty goes on bended knees and begs Rob Scott to come back.

I predict we will win the next three games ,,Alfreton 1  Town 3        -  Town 3  Hyde 0    -    Braintree 1   Town 2.

Quoted from Grimal

I predict we will win the next three games ,,Alfreton 1  Town 3        -  Town 3  Hyde 0    -    Braintree 1   Town 2.

I'll have some of what you are on.

Not the time to sack the manager.
Maybe he is playing the long game and this rotation will give us a fresh and strong squad for the play offs.
Why would we show one of our potential opponents all we have in our locker tonight?

UTM

Quoted from Doubled

Not the time to sack the manager.
Maybe he is playing the long game and this rotation will give us a fresh and strong squad for the play offs.
Why would we show one of our potential opponents all we have in our locker tonight?

UTM

;D ;D ;D ;D
Comedian

Quoted from highcliff mariner

And that's about how I see it , we were inferior in every aspect of the game tonight , with desire been one of the main problems along with our tactics ( what is our game plan anybody ?) I live in hope , but not much belief.

UTM

Well we certainly weren't inferior for the first half. The effort was there as usual. The tactic after they'd scored was to hoof it up as quickly as possible-making sure we found their centre half.. :-/

I know - this is what I hope he's thinking but I just wonder when he will eventually rotate the central midfield (apart from red cards forcing the issue)

UTM

Quoted from barralad

Well we certainly weren't inferior for the first half. The effort was there as usual. The tactic after they'd scored was to hoof it up as quickly as possible-making sure we found their centre half.. :-/

Well you saw a different game to me  and the majority of those round me  ,( upper Osmond end) I thought we looked like a team with an already beaten " .

mentality, the only time they got me out my seat in the first half was the tonks 1v1

But it may be as good a first half we've seen for a while cos none have been exactly inspiring

Quoted from highcliff mariner

Well you saw a different game to me  and the majority of those round me  ,( upper Osmond end) I thought we looked like a team with an already beaten " .

mentality, the only time they got me out my seat in the first half was the tonks 1v1

But it may be as good a first half we've seen for a while cos none have been exactly inspiring

Different game to me too. I was also at the Osmond end of the Upper and also only out of my seat once in 90 mins. We were dreadful from start to finish i thought and Cook was particularly poor. His first touch is horrendous and the ball just didn't stick all night.

For me only decent players were our two centre halves who coped admirably with their backing in and no support from the ref. as for the rest of it i accept Halifax created very little but they looked sharper, picked up every loose ball, won every physical challenge and every header that counted. We have no structure to our attacking play, no pace and a midfield incapable of creativity.

Like all town fans I hope we go up but The season is over for me after yet another dire home performance with absolutely no entertainment value all night. If PH stays I know three season ticket holders who will not renew and everyone around us in the Upper Findus wants him gone. And no we did not boo or slag off the team although I am sure we all groaned at our inability to trap a ball or pass it five yards.

Hurst demonstrates that he learns nothing from game to game and to persist for the majority of the game with Kerr and Disley is managerial suicide.

I agree we have been very frustrating and disappointing recently although to play devil's advocate, negative teams aren't unsuccessful in knockout situations (such as the play offs). Mourinho's made a career out of it, Newport didn't exactly play beautiful, flowing football last season. Add to that the fact we've done quite well in the cup competitions this year - if we do make it to the play offs hope is not lost yet! Over a season it certainly can be dull, but it tight affairs such as the play offs, parking the bus may be what we need to do.

Quoted from GrimRob

If you'd have offered me the league table as it stands now in July I would have bitten your hand off. If we're still in this division next year I will take being fourth and in charge of our own destiny with 3 games to go on 15th April 2015 right now.

He's brought us far more success than anyone else we've had this century. Consistent top 5 finishes and cup success are something some younger fans must never have experienced until PH came. And the fact that gates are up shows the paying public is getting what it wants - a team challenging for prizes at the end of the season.

Success - It seems to me that the demise of our club revolves around this word. To you, a lot of others on here and to the most senior people at the club success means almost getting there is good enough.
Success to myself and most Town fans is to actually get promotion or win a trophy.

"more success than anyone else we've had this century"-We are still in the same league we havent been premoted so where is the success?
"cup success" - yes we have had one or two good games but we have not won a Trophy so where is the success?
"a team challenging for prizes at the end of the season" - That worked well last year. Where is the success in this?
"gates are up" - stop quoting % and give actual numbers of bums on seats. In the 2005/6 we were never out of a playoff position and only put on around 200 more fans than the previous season. My guess is that if we had played attractive football instead of the boring sh1t that was on offer at the time there would have been a much bigger increase. The very same can be said of this season.
If your definition of success is what we have now and have had for the past few years then good on you but its not mine.

  

Quoted from grimps

Its the same every week  :-/
We might stumble into the play offs only to be shown up by some part timers ,Give someone a shot at it for the last few games and see what happens.
We really do have nothing to lose by sacking him in the morning

Sorry mate its to late now. He should have gone in January.
Never mind he will be gone in the next few weeks. Fenty can then put his vast footballing brain into finding the next failure.

In Paul Hursts mind, fans turn up to see the scoreboard at the end of the game. He doesn't give a damn about entertainment so long as we grind out wins and play his way.

The problem is, his methods are not going to win you play-offs because he's got one way of playing. He's got absolutely no plan B and better sides pick us apart EVERY single time. We are so one dimensional it's untrue and I've never seen a team rotated so often and actually achieve success. Then every now and then he'll have the nerve to have a pop at fans, the fans who buy into this excrement football he produces in the hope that one day we might actually go up. I think none of us care if we went up playing badly, the fact is we don't have it in our locker to do it against the best sides. This means we get the excrement football without the success at the end of it and that is why he'll lose his job in about a months time.

Quoted from davmariner

I agree about Mills, said at the time we'd missed an opportunity when he went to Gateshead. Could we prize him away from the Heed in the summer? Depends how ambitious Mr Fenty is.

Gateshead had ONE effort on goal last night, not on target, but one effort!

Be very careful what you wish for.  The next man will be "clueless", " tactical moron" or "Fentys love child" within 3 months, guaranteed!

Quoted from BIGChris

Gateshead had ONE effort on goal last night, not on target, but one effort!

Be very careful what you wish for.  The next man will be "clueless", " tactical moron" or "Fentys love child" within 3 months, guaranteed!

Spot on there Chris. Fenty does have the knack of employing
Clueless tactical morons.

Quoted from carrot top

I agree. I'm finding it very hard to consider going again this season ( only one home match I know) play offs included if we make it. It is boring to watch. The only games I have actually enjoyed at BP are the fa cup games. If that level of performance we witnessed in those 3 games were replicated we would be looking at bigger gates for sure.

but if we were midtable playing Barcelona-esque total football there'd probably be 2000 going. If we were top of the league playing total football we'd get 5000 but we'd be very lucky to get a manager and squad capable of that with out budget. As long as we're in the top 5 it probably adds 500-1000 to the gate regardless of the quality of "entertainment". (And I am yet to go to a game where the crowd left happy without getting 3 points or a creditable draw - it's football not 20/20 cricket!).

Ask Wrexham, Forest Green and Barnet if they'd rather be in our position, or theirs. They've all got big budgets (bigger than ours in some cases) and we're going to finish ahead of all of them.

Steve Burr becomes available at the end of the season. If we get him and are not successful will it be another of Feny's clueless appointments?

Quoted from TAGG

Clueless tactical morons.

Your definition of a clueless tactical moron is someone who doesn't win the league or play-offs, so there are 22 of them in this division (in which one club is vastly bigger than all the others and very likely to win the league).

If you were to draw a shortlist of six managers in this division for the manager of the season award PH would probably be one of them - at the moment.

Your right Chris , however it's getting to the point now is it worth me paying out nearly £40 for the two of us not to be entertained . Just another frustrating match  when deep down we knew what we were going to see . One more home game against Hyde who have nothing but pride to play for , will we turn up and put a performance worthy of Grimsby ?   Sorry but rapidly loosing interest .

Just to be fair, Paul did not rotate the team last night. LJL, Jennings, Rodman were not available to him. Also Cook did well on Sat when he came on and scored the winner. Tonk had scored 2 in 3 .Thomas was fit and available to regain his place. It did not work because we lost, but he had little choice with the players available.

Quoted from GrimRob

but if we were midtable playing Barcelona-esque total football there'd probably be 2000 going. If we were top of the league playing total football we'd get 5000 but we'd be very lucky to get a manager and squad capable of that with out budget. As long as we're in the top 5 it probably adds 500-1000 to the gate regardless of the quality of "entertainment". (And I am yet to go to a game where the crowd left happy without getting 3 points or a creditable draw - it's football not 20/20 cricket!).

Ask Wrexham, Forest Green and Barnet if they'd rather be in our position, or theirs. They've all got big budgets (bigger than ours in some cases) and we're going to finish ahead of all of them.

Of course those teams would swap places , but that doesn't disguise the fact that IMO we just arnt good enough , just a little better than those said teams , manure are in a better position than west brom but the mancs won't be taking much comfort from the fact ?

Quoted from GrimRob

Your definition of a clueless tactical moron is someone who doesn't win the league or play-offs, so there are 22 of them in this division (in which one club is vastly bigger than all the others and very likely to win the league).

If you were to draw a shortlist of six managers in this division for the manager of the season award PH would probably be one of them - at the moment.

This just about sums up your acceptance of dross.
So what if he was on a 'shortlist' (see wot you did there Ha Ha) he still wouldn't win.

I think looking at how much money he has had compared to many of the other teams in this league ,he has been well backed and I suspect there is only Luton with a bigger wage bill than us.
The other thing is he dosnt seem to learn anything ,we have all seen this coming since January and he has not been able to to counter the crap home form and poor play of his team.He's lost the fans now Rob so I expect he is walking on a very thin line ,anything but promotion and he will be gone

I know I'm in disagreement with my life-long GTFC supporting friend but I feel that Hurst has somehow managed to coast since the sacking of Rob Scott. I don't think PH has been able to deliver quite what the pair of them managed to deliver, for whatever reason.

That said I don't think now is the time to dump Hurst - we need to see out the end of the season and make decisions then. For whatever reason he just doesn't seem to be motivating and inspiring the team, and we just seem to be putting in these lacklustre performances game after game.

That said, I agree with points made my GrimRob earlier that how we perceive our form, vs our stats and position in the table are definitely at odds and that perhaps we do need to lighten up a little. But similarly I do share the concerns that I just don't think we're good enough to go up - and that we just don't seem to want it enough.

Quoted from grimps

I think looking at how much money he has had compared to many of the other teams in this league ,he has been well backed and I suspect there is only Luton with a bigger wage bill than us.
The other thing is he dosnt seem to learn anything ,we have all seen this coming since January and he has not been able to to counter the crap home form and poor play of his team.He's lost the fans now Rob so I expect he is wanking on a very thin line ,anything but promotion and he will be gone

Exactly my point, he appears to have learned nothing and as I said at the weekend he is well suited to managing sides away from home and I expect we may well win on Friday. Of course I want us to succeed but many fans last night were commenting that they dread getting in the play offs as he might stay. I will always want us to succeed but the thought of watching that type of football for90 per cent of home games would mean no season ticket for me and occasional visits to BP next season.

He is certainly dividing opinion on here!

Get him out. What a clueless little turd. Shocking performance AGAIN.

We've said since earlier in season he  just hasn't got a clue tactic wise.

The fact he's continued on his own still without bringing in an assistant or coach is just laughable.

Quoted from Mariner21

Get him out. What a clueless little turd. Shocking performance AGAIN.

We've said since earlier in season he  just hasn't got a clue tactic wise.

The fact he's continued on his own still without bringing in an assistant or coach is just laughable.

Until this post I was enjoying this thread, good debate but without personal insults.

Why do you feel that a personal insult will somehow get your point across better?

Wow little turd in hurt my feelings shocker!!!!!

Quoted from Mariner21

Get him out. What a clueless little turd.

FFS

Too depressed to come on The Fishy last night, expected backlash but seriously! Hurst to go NOW!!!

I am certainly in the camp of concerned fans, I think our form has been average to poor for a while, and I think it is highly likely we will be in this intercoursing league again next season.  If that happens then I definately think we should review Hurst's position. Disucss how similar is this to last season, is 3rd round of the FA cup an improvement of note that gives us any confidence in him going forward, are we committed to him as the worst thing we could do would give him half a season next term then sack him.  However those discussion have to take place AT THE END OF THE SEASON.  Excuse my capslock shouting but seriously a new manager (who I might add?) comes in and has a minimum of 3 games and a maximum of 6 games to turn around our fortunes?

Lets examine this new manager bounce people talk about? Looking at all manager changes round January league results (was looking at this before so had them noted down):

Northampton: 6 before Aidy Boothroyd P6, W1, D2, L3  After P6, W0,D2,L4

Torquay: 6 before Alan Knil Sacked: P6, W2, D1, L3 After P6, W2, D1, L3

Kidderminster: 6 Before Stever Butt: P6 W2, D0, L4 After P6, W1, D2 L3

Blackpool: 6 before Paul Ince Sacked P6: W0, D1, L5,  After, P6, W0, D3, L3

Chester 6 before Neil Young P6, W0 D4, L2 After P6, W3, D0, L3

Barner 6 before Davids: P6, W2, D0, L4  After P6 W4, D0, L2

The only one that seemed to have a real positive impact is Chester and they hired Steve Burr who I think is a top manager for this level. On the whole it does absolutely nothing and certainly over potentially 3 but hopefully 6 will not provide anywhere near enough of a bounce to get us into League 2! Our best hope is with Paul Hurst, even if we think that is little hope it is better than expecting someone to come in with Hursts set of players and expect them to do something that will make them suddenly a lot better.  So please can we stop all these pointless "I told you Hurst was useless" tosh and stop calling for him to go.  Until the end of the season he is our best bet, come the end of the season then we can look at our options but until then if we want the mariners to be in the football league next season the best we can do is have a little moan on here about excrement performances but be incredibly vocal at matches to try and galvanise this team into somehting many feel is beyond them but we all hope isn't!

UTM

If we win 6 games we go up (or less depending on others around us).

Having witnessed last night it's a bigger if than before - but it is in Hurst's hands, nonetheless.

So he is more than likely to stay.

But will all the 'Hurst Out' gang carry on calling for his head if he gets us promoted? Just asking.

Or will you immediately start trotting out "Hurst'll never get us out of League 2", "we're coming straight back down."

I find this thought even more depressing than anything that goes on the pitch.

Quoted from grimps

I think looking at how much money he has had compared to many of the other teams in this league ,he has been well backed and I suspect there is only Luton with a bigger wage bill than us.
The other thing is he dosnt seem to learn anything ,we have all seen this coming since January and he has not been able to to counter the crap home form and poor play of his team.He's lost the fans now Rob so I expect he is walking on a very thin line ,anything but promotion and he will be gone

Forest Green?

Quoted from Caesar

Too depressed to come on The Fishy last night, expected backlash but seriously! Hurst to go NOW!!!

I am certainly in the camp of concerned fans, I think our form has been average to poor for a while, and I think it is highly likely we will be in this intercoursing league again next season.  If that happens then I definately think we should review Hurst's position. Disucss how similar is this to last season, is 3rd round of the FA cup an improvement of note that gives us any confidence in him going forward, are we committed to him as the worst thing we could do would give him half a season next term then sack him.  However those discussion have to take place AT THE END OF THE SEASON.  Excuse my capslock shouting but seriously a new manager (who I might add?) comes in and has a minimum of 3 games and a maximum of 6 games to turn around our fortunes?

Lets examine this new manager bounce people talk about? Looking at all manager changes round January league results (was looking at this before so had them noted down):

Northampton: 6 before Aidy Boothroyd P6, W1, D2, L3  After P6, W0,D2,L4

Torquay: 6 before Alan Knil Sacked: P6, W2, D1, L3 After P6, W2, D1, L3

Kidderminster: 6 Before Stever Butt: P6 W2, D0, L4 After P6, W1, D2 L3

Blackpool: 6 before Paul Ince Sacked P6: W0, D1, L5,  After, P6, W0, D3, L3

Chester 6 before Neil Young P6, W0 D4, L2 After P6, W3, D0, L3

Barner 6 before Davids: P6, W2, D0, L4  After P6 W4, D0, L2

The only one that seemed to have a real positive impact is Chester and they hired Steve Burr who I think is a top manager for this level. On the whole it does absolutely nothing and certainly over potentially 3 but hopefully 6 will not provide anywhere near enough of a bounce to get us into League 2! Our best hope is with Paul Hurst, even if we think that is little hope it is better than expecting someone to come in with Hursts set of players and expect them to do something that will make them suddenly a lot better.  So please can we stop all these pointless "I told you Hurst was useless" tosh and stop calling for him to go.  Until the end of the season he is our best bet, come the end of the season then we can look at our options but until then if we want the mariners to be in the football league next season the best we can do is have a little moan on here about excrement performances but be incredibly vocal at matches to try and galvanise this team into somehting many feel is beyond them but we all hope isn't!

UTM

Nothing to review in my opinion, if we don't go up he goes.

Quoted from arryarryarry

Nothing to review in my opinion, if we don't go up he goes.

I think most town fans would have been happy for him to stay another season if we had given Luton a run for their money and lost in a unlucky play off game playing attractive football.
The problem is how we lost last night is exactly how we will lose in the Play offs and everyone knows its coming  :-/

Quoted from arryarryarry

Nothing to review in my opinion, if we don't go up he goes.

Completely agree, no promotion (which I think is highly likely) and Hurst should be gone. He's had 3 full seasons now, albeit 2 and a bit of them was with his mate Rob, but despite having one of the biggest budgets in the whole division excluding Luton and another team each season there seems to be no progression in the football. Same old...

As someone pointed out above Steve Burr is likely to be available in the summer and he would be my preferred candidate along with Mills. However I won't start thinking about all that until the seasons over...

Quoted from Mariners_15

As someone pointed out above Steve Burr is likely to be available in the summer and he would be my preferred candidate along with Mills. However I won't start thinking about all that until the seasons over...

If they don't go up, how about Neil Aspin?

Quoted from Abdul19

If they don't go up, how about Neil Aspin?

No we can't have him because he doesn't play pretty football, we'd have the same complaints about him as we do about Hurst's team being boring!

Quoted from Abdul19

If they don't go up, how about Neil Aspin?

Good shout also but heard Micky Adams is leaving Port Vale at the end of the season and he's favourite to take over there? Bit of a legend in that neck of the woods apparently...

We have the third highest playing budget so if we finish around third he's done his job for part 1 of the season, with part 2 to follow. There are many ways of losing in the play-offs, we could be unlucky with injuries or referring decisions. Rather than say if this happens or that happens he should go, then any decision should be totally postponed until after the final whistle blows in the final game. Until then it's a no brainer that supporters should support the team and manager we have right now.

Quoted from GrimRob

We have the third highest playing budget so if we finish around third he's done his job for part 1 of the season, with part 2 to follow. There are many ways of losing in the play-offs, we could be unlucky with injuries or referring decisions. Rather than say if this happens or that happens he should go, then any decision should be totally postponed until after the final whistle blows in the final game. Until then it's a no brainer that supporters should support the team and manager we have right now.

Well the way we are at present that'll be next Saturday!

Quoted from Mariners_15

Good shout also but heard Micky Adams is leaving Port Vale at the end of the season and he's favourite to take over there? Bit of a legend in that neck of the woods apparently...

Yeah that sounds like a good fit. He should shake things up a bit by re-signing that Jones lad!

How anyone can advocate sacking a manager when a teams fourth in the table with three games to go is totally beyond me. I sincerely hope some of you people aren't employers.

What sort of manager would come to a club that did that? Or would a dream team of Dave Moore and Chris Doig propel us to the next level?

If we don't make the play offs from here then Hurst should definitely go, if we collapse in the play offs then his position should be considered then, not now.

Sacking a manager now is just not an option.

"I'm not going to be critical if Oumare Tounkara but that was the best chance.  If that goes in, it changes it and they have to attack with a bit more quality, and we could perhaps just sit in there and be basic in our play" Paul Hurst GY Telegraph.

And people accuse the fans of being negative!  

Quoted from GrimRob

We have the third highest playing budget so if we finish around third he's done his job for part 1 of the season, with part 2 to follow. There are many ways of losing in the play-offs, we could be unlucky with injuries or referring decisions. Rather than say if this happens or that happens he should go, then any decision should be totally postponed until after the final whistle blows in the final game. Until then it's a no brainer that supporters should support the team and manager we have right now.

Rob , we have been supporting the team and manager , we do need something to cheer shout though . On the plus side I haven't heard any calls in the ground for our manager to be sacked , only to sort it out . There were plenty of moans during last nights frustrating game .

With the third highest budget , the recent displays aren't even in the bargin bin . It isn't a divine rite to have free flowing attractive foofball but the fans deserve better than what we're getting .
Once we loose the fans it's going to be difficult to persuade them to return .

Quoted from Quagmire

"I'm not going to be critical if Oumare Tounkara but that was the best chance.  If that goes in, it changes it and they have to attack with a bit more quality, and we could perhaps just sit in there and be basic in our play" Paul Hurst GY Telegraph.

And people accuse the fans of being negative!  

Sums Hurst up in a nutshell. Anybody think he'd say that about LJL? Christ I mean he was nearly in tears about LJL getting stick last week.

Quoted from Tom13

No we can't have him because he doesn't play pretty football, we'd have the same complaints about him as we do about Hurst's team being boring!

Halifax have scored 81 goals this year and lay 3rd in the league on a fraction of our budget.

Some rational and irrational views in this thread.

Personally, I think it would be madness and pointless sacking Hurst now, as some are suggesting.

If we don't even make the play-offs, I think Hurst should be relieved of his duties at the season's end.

If we make the play-offs but don't win promotion, I could argue either way and am not fully committed to either yet. Much would depend on the nature of our failure in the 2/3 games. If it was a feeble surrender with seemingly no idea of how to outplay our opponents, a la Newport last year, then I'd have to think lessons haven't been learned and Hurst should go.

Hurst is a cautious personality and a cautious coach. His teams reflect this and we always edge towards the cautious option as opposed to a slightly riskier one. The selection of Colbeck for so many games points to this, as he can only make the team to provide defensive support on the flank as he offers little with the ball (no football brain as I've said elsewhere).

This is why I can agree with Ginnywings points about Hurst being an uninspiring manager having an uninspiring team. One that isn't capturing the imagination of fans.

I also agreed with points made by a caller to RH after last night's game, who said Hurst doesn't have a plan B anf doesn't seem to be able to make substitutions or tactical changes to positively effect a game.

All in all. Don't sack him now. Let him see out the season with his team. If we don't go up, I wouldn't be sorry to see him go but would thank him for his efforts and his reputation wouldn't exactly be too hurt. But then it comes down to Fenty/the Board appointing the right successor (another big ask).

One other thing. It's never helpful when the fans are split 50/50 on whether a manager should stay or be sacked. It doesn't create a good atmosphere and it usually eventually only ends up one way.

Quoted from pontoonlew

Halifax have scored 81 goals this year and lay 3rd in the league on a fraction of our budget.

Yes but that wasn't the point - they play hoofball just as much as we do.

This is an unusual position for us to be in - finally having some success in terms of the league table and number of wins in the season, but feeling (perhaps even 'knowing') that it's all going to be for nothing when the play-offs come around.

I do have some sympathy for Hurst because he'll no doubt look at this and think 'I've got them 4th in the table by winning around 50% of my games in charge, and even if the performances haven't been great lately I still get it in the neck'.

I don't like our incessant squad rotation or the fact that we've taken good strikers and turned them into ones that simply can't score. Yes, there's been an obvious drop in confidence and performance levels, yet we still manage to grind out enough wins to (probably) get us into the play-offs.

I think we all have different ideas of what success looks like, at this moment in time. The longer we stay in this division, the quicker and more intolerant we all become towards the manager, Fenty etc. 4th in any of our first two seasons (in which we finished 11th) would've been a dream!

But I share the worry that has come with our lacklustre performances. It feels like we've all been here before, 12 months ago, and although we wish for a more positive outcome this time round we've seen no evidence of that actually happening - and that's frustrating.

Quoted from GrimRob

We have the third highest playing budget so if we finish around third he's done his job for part 1 of the season, with part 2 to follow.

A fair argument to counter that though Rob, is that there are other managers in our league who are leading their club to finishes a lot higher than their budget would suggest.

And given our "3rd highest budget", someone achieving that level of over-achievement here would probably take us to the title.

Quoted from Quagmire

"I'm not going to be critical if Oumare Tounkara but that was the best chance.  If that goes in, it changes it and they have to attack with a bit more quality, and we could perhaps just sit in there and be basic in our play" Paul Hurst GY Telegraph.

And people accuse the fans of being negative!  

So he's saying our one and only chance of the game didnt go in so thats why we lost .
Maybe Paul if we had more than one chance a game we wouldnt have to be in that position  :-/

I'm amazed by the negativity on the fishy past few weeks.

We will make the play offs, will we go up, no one knows for sure, all it takes is one or two decisions to go in or against your favour.

The time is not to be calling for heads, we have been operating on a reduced budget this year, we haven't gone all out, which can only be a good thing for the sustainability of the club. Quite frankly the ones that are doing this should hang there head in shame.

Start of the year if someone had said you can make the play offs, we all would have taken it.

For Christ sake lets get behind the team, they will respond to us if we are cheering rather than jeering.

Quoted from Tommy

A fair argument to counter that though Rob, is that there are other managers in our league who are leading their club to finishes a lot higher than their budget would suggest.

And given our "3rd highest budget", someone achieving that level of over-achievement here would probably take us to the title.

In this league budget only really matters if you have a Crawley/fleetwood type budget that blows other teams out of the water.

Luton have spent getting on for 10m since they've been in this league and didn't even make the play offs last year. Looking at the squad they assembled this year their budget must be double ours.

Forest Green probably have the second highest budget and are nowhere, Wrexham have the fourth or fifth and are seventeenth.

In some cases having a top five budget backfires, teams end up wasting their budget on ex league players who sometimes don't have the same commitment and aren't as willing to fight for a win. Teams also try and play a style of football that isn't that efficient.

Plenty of teams with small budgets do well by picking up players that haven't made it at this level and have a massive point to prove, they work exceptionally hard and work as a team. They play to the teams strengths rather than trying to play attractive football. Halifax last night is a case in point, Gregory managed a handful of starts for Mansfield, when they were crap, I can't recall any of their players having any league Experience, maybe Adam Smith who wasn't good enough for Lincoln.

Having a bigger budget often rules out these kind of 'unfashionable' players, whilst we've been in this league we've signed a few players with comparatively big reputations and salaries that haven't performed at the required standard, it's telling that our two best and most consistent players came from part time football with no league experience but the desire to take their chance at full time football.

Quoted from Marinerdan

In this league budget only really matters if you have a Crawley/fleetwood type budget that blows other teams out of the waster.

Luton have spent getting on for 10m since they've been in this league and didn't even make the play offs last year. Looking at the squad they assembled this year their budget must be double ours.

Forest Green probably have the second highest budget and are nowhere, Wrexham have the fourth or fifth and are seventeenth.

In some cases having a top five budget backfires, teams end up wasting their budget on ex league players who sometimes don't have the same commitment and aren't as willing to fight for a win. Teams also try and play a style of football that isn't that efficient.

Plenty of teams with small budgets do well by picking up players that haven't made it at this level and have a massive point to prove, they work exceptionally hard and work as a team. They play to the teams strengths rather than trying to play attractive football. Halifax last night is a case in point, Gregory managed a handful of starts for Mansfield, when they were crap, I can't recall any of their players having any league Experience, maybe Adam Smith who wasn't good enough for Lincoln.

Having a bigger budget often rules out these kind of 'unfashionable' players, whilst we've been in this league we've signed a few players with comparatively big reputations and salaries that haven't performed at the required standard, it's telling that our two best and most consistent players came from part time football with no league experience but the desire to take their chance at full time football.

Glennon in goal had played in the league before, and Scott Spencer played for Lincoln when they went down - other than those two I don't think there was much league experience in their team!

Our only hope of winning the play offs is without Hurst in charge, anyone who thinks he will help us to promotion is deluded and deserves another year of non-league! He hasn't got the team playing (getting results just) and is so negative before games that he is handing the advantage to the opposition before a ball is kicked.  Before part-time Woking, he said that they were favorites! Before struggling Dartford, he said he felt his team might get a win.  Before Halifax he said a defeat would not be the end of the world.  Stating opponents are favourites, speaking of might and defeats is hardly going to motivate fans, or the players.  If Hurst is left to lead us through the play offs, it will be another stupid error by Fenty, but then would we expect anything else.  Sheff Wed's gambled by sacking Megson the other year with just about 4 games left and they got promoted, the same must be done at GTFC.

Quoted from kingster72

Our only hope of winning the play offs is without Hurst in charge, anyone who thinks he will help us to promotion is deluded and deserves another year of non-league! He hasn't got the team playing (getting results just) and is so negative before games that he is handing the advantage to the opposition before a ball is kicked.  Before part-time Woking, he said that they were favorites! Before struggling Dartford, he said he felt his team might get a win.  Before Halifax he said a defeat would not be the end of the world.  Stating opponents are favourites, speaking of might and defeats is hardly going to motivate fans, or the players.  If Hurst is left to lead us through the play offs, it will be another stupid error by Fenty, but then would we expect anything else.  Sheff Wed's gambled by sacking Megson the other year with just about 4 games left and they got promoted, the same must be done at GTFC.

Proud to be deluded then - but not sure I (or anyone else) deserve another year in the Conference! :)

Quoted from DavidB

Proud to be deluded then - but not sure I (or anyone else) deserve another year in the Conference! :)

Absolutely, none of us deserve another year in the conference pro-Hurst, or Hurst-out camp.  And if Hurst is left to muddle his way his through the play offs, I hope I'm proved wrong and we get up, I just doubt he is capable though!

Quoted from GTFCNiles

I'm amazed by the negativity on the fishy past few weeks.

We will make the play offs, will we go up, no one knows for sure, all it takes is one or two decisions to go in or against your favour.

The time is not to be calling for heads, we have been operating on a reduced budget this year, we haven't gone all out, which can only be a good thing for the sustainability of the club. Quite frankly the ones that are doing this should hang there head in shame.

Start of the year if someone had said you can make the play offs, we all would have taken it.

For Christ sake lets get behind the team, they will respond to us if we are cheering rather than jeering.

Making the playoffs are not a given..

It could well go down to the last game at braintree in a straight shootout between them and us..

Needing to win away at braintree is a nightmare scenario.

Have faith.

Quoted from GTFCNiles

Have faith.

Why should we ? I have been shown nothing in the last two seasons to say we are improving under Hurst.
The only thing that has happened is the league has got worse

Well at this stage, hes not going to be replaced, so whys it going to hurt getting behind him and the team for the next 3 (hopefully 6) games.

Play offs are a dice roll.

Quoted from GTFCNiles

Well at this stage, hes not going to be replaced, so whys it going to hurt getting behind him and the team for the next 3 (hopefully 6) games.

Play offs are a dice roll.

I always get behind him and the team at BP, but most often leave the ground bored and deflated.

I still cannot believe he took off Tounkara and left a floundering Cook on for 90 mins.

Quoted from GTFCNiles

Well at this stage, hes not going to be replaced, so whys it going to hurt getting behind him and the team for the next 3 (hopefully 6) games.

Play offs are a dice roll.

Very true mate - We have to still believe! We know we can perform as we have witnessed over the season, albeit not many times but we can do it, the playoffs is a lottery and anyone can win it.

Lets start by getting a win Friday. 8)

Quoted from kingster72

Our only hope of winning the play offs is without Hurst in charge, anyone who thinks he will help us to promotion is deluded and deserves another year of non-league! He hasn't got the team playing (getting results just) and is so negative before games that he is handing the advantage to the opposition before a ball is kicked.  Before part-time Woking, he said that they were favorites! Before struggling Dartford, he said he felt his team might get a win.  Before Halifax he said a defeat would not be the end of the world.  Stating opponents are favourites, speaking of might and defeats is hardly going to motivate fans, or the players.  If Hurst is left to lead us through the play offs, it will be another stupid error by Fenty, but then would we expect anything else.  Sheff Wed's gambled by sacking Megson the other year with just about 4 games left and they got promoted, the same must be done at GTFC.

He's more positive than you though isn't he?! You say we've not no chance whatsoever. At least he thinks we might win some of the trickier games.

Suggest you look at the league table, we're fourth and have a home banker with Hyde to come. Our form is reasonable too - 3 wins from 6, 1 draw and 2 defeats. That's why we are second favourites with the bookies (who you consider deluded) to go up.

Quoted from Quagmire

"I'm not going to be critical if Oumare Tounkara but that was the best chance.  If that goes in, it changes it and they have to attack with a bit more quality, and we could perhaps just sit in there and be basic in our play" Paul Hurst GY Telegraph.

And people accuse the fans of being negative!  

This was his rh interview from last night. So in other words, get a goal and defend it like we have done since Xmas

Quoted from ackomariner

So in other words, get a goal and defend it like we have done since Xmas

which has worked. We're around the same position we were in the league at Christmas and have had some happy memories (for those capable of feeling positive emotions) in the cup.

Job done  :)

Quoted from GrimRob

He's more positive than you though isn't he?! You say we've not no chance whatsoever. At least he thinks we might win some of the trickier games.

Suggest you look at the league table, we're fourth and have a home banker with Hyde to come. Our form is reasonable too - 3 wins from 6, 1 draw and 2 defeats. That's why we are second favourites with the bookies (who you consider deluded) to go up.

Hyde is not a home banker I'm afraid mate, not the way were playing at home. As I said last night, that dartford game might just come back and haunt hurst

If we don't beat Hyde, we should be docked 100 points.

Quoted from ackomariner

Hyde is not a home banker I'm afraid mate, not the way were playing at home. As I said last night, that dartford game might just come back and haunt hurst

If we don't beat Hyde then nobody will blame subsequent failure on Dartford. Hyde will go down in GTFC history in the same breath as other disasters.

Hyde wont be easy for us like some think,, we are crap against so called easy teams. most of the teams around us have beaten them well, so it will be interesting to see how we fair against them,  1 or 2 nill would be good for us the way we play now , but i wouldnt put money on us being that good

Quoted from denni266

Hyde wont be easy for us like some think,, we are crap against so called easy teams. most of the teams around us have beaten them well, so it will be interesting to see how we fair against them,  1 or 2 nill would be good for us the way we play now , but i wouldnt put money on us being that good

We've lost 1 in 11 against the bottom 6.

Quoted from denni266

Hyde wont be easy for us like some think,, we are crap against so called easy teams. most of the teams around us have beaten them well, so it will be interesting to see how we fair against them,  1 or 2 nill would be good for us the way we play now , but i wouldnt put money on us being that good

Sounds like the attitude towards games that the manager gets slated for!

It makes me laugh all this talk of how we play hoofball . It's not a tactic we choose to play , more a matter of our players being unable to get the ball down and consistently knock it around on the deck . It's a combination of the standard of football at this level and the standard of players available to us .

Quoted from GrimRob

Everyone has got to get behind PH and put aside any thoughts of getting rid of him with the play-offs looming.

my thoughts as well

4th in the league with three games to play, I for one would have taken this at the start of the season.  To be talking about getting rid of PH now is ridiculous and will not happen or even be spoken of at the club until the season is over.  

No matter how much we are frustrated by recent performance's we have to be realistic, we are still in the play offs.

Some of the recent selections have been strange to say the least, but if we reach the play offs for me he has achieved what many on here would have put as the bare minimum requirement at the start of the season.  Where we go from there on is/will be up for debate then, all this Hurst out at the minute will be doing the team no good as I am sure some of the squad will read this.

Come on, we all went our team back in the football league.  We also want our opinions to be heard, especially after some of the recent performances.  Meets continue with the support for our club through to the end of the season and then assess our future.  THe league is where we belong and as a club we need to find our way back into it.

UTM

Quoted from Cumbrian Mariner

4th in the league with three games to play, I for one would have taken this at the start of the season.  To be talking about getting rid of PH now is ridiculous and will not happen or even be spoken of at the club until the season is over.  

No matter how much we are frustrated by recent performance's we have to be realistic, we are still in the play offs.

Some of the recent selections have been strange to say the least, but if we reach the play offs for me he has achieved what many on here would have put as the bare minimum requirement at the start of the season.  Where we go from there on is/will be up for debate then, all this Hurst out at the minute will be doing the team no good as I am sure some of the squad will read this.

Come on, we all went our team back in the football league.  We also want our opinions to be heard, especially after some of the recent performances.  Meets continue with the support for our club through to the end of the season and then assess our future.  THe league is where we belong and as a club we need to find our way back into it.

UTM

Exactly! - good post CM

Quoted from louth_in_the_south

It makes me laugh all this talk of how we play hoofball . It's not a tactic we choose to play , more a matter of our players being unable to get the ball down and consistently knock it around on the deck . It's a combination of the standard of football at this level and the standard of players available to us .

truth is I found that quite surprising.These players are playing for a full time pro club and I imagine are on one of the better salary's in this league.Hence they should at least be able to play it on the deck for sustained periods.If like you say there is a great deal of hoof ball I wonder whether that is more the mentality of the players and less of the ability eg team goes behind panic sets in and its route one stuff?

Quoted from Marinerdan

In some cases having a top five budget backfires, teams end up wasting their budget on ex league players who sometimes don't have the same commitment and aren't as willing to fight for a win. Teams also try and play a style of football that isn't that efficient.

Plenty of teams with small budgets do well by picking up players that haven't made it at this level and have a massive point to prove, they work exceptionally hard and work as a team. They play to the teams strengths rather than trying to play attractive football. Halifax last night is a case in point, Gregory managed a handful of starts for Mansfield, when they were crap, I can't recall any of their players having any league Experience, maybe Adam Smith who wasn't good enough for Lincoln.

Having a bigger budget often rules out these kind of 'unfashionable' players, whilst we've been in this league we've signed a few players with comparatively big reputations and salaries that haven't performed at the required standard, it's telling that our two best and most consistent players came from part time football with no league experience but the desire to take their chance at full time football.

You're right, but it is 100% the responsibility of the manager how the budget is spent.

Quoted from Tom13

I agree we have been very frustrating and disappointing recently although to play devil's advocate, negative teams aren't unsuccessful in knockout situations (such as the play offs). Mourinho's made a career out of it, Newport didn't exactly play beautiful, flowing football last season. Add to that the fact we've done quite well in the cup competitions this year - if we do make it to the play offs hope is not lost yet! Over a season it certainly can be dull, but it tight affairs such as the play offs, parking the bus may be what we need to do.

Didnt work against cambridge in the Trophy

Quoted from Madeleymariner

Didnt work against cambridge in the Trophy

I never said it always worked, I said I was playing devil's advocate, saying that playing expansive football isn't always more effective than defensive football.

Quoted from louth_in_the_south

It makes me laugh all this talk of how we play hoofball . It's not a tactic we choose to play , more a matter of our players being unable to get the ball down and consistently knock it around on the deck . It's a combination of the standard of football at this level and the standard of players available to us .

York???

It can be done if you have a manager with a bit more about him than a dull yorkshire accent

Also that's the point we don't go out with any tactics whatso ever !!!

Or we do but the players choose to ignore the little one because he's a pushover.

No excuses I'm afraid they train every fooking day but still seem clueless like they have never played together before.

Quoted from ackomariner

Hyde is not a home banker I'm afraid mate, not the way were playing at home. As I said last night, that dartford game might just come back and haunt hurst

I cannot believe anyone is still banging on about the Dartford game. There was no guarantee that a tired first XI would have done any better. His choice was vindicated by the result against Chester. Move on FFS.

Quoted from barralad

I cannot believe anyone is still banging on about the Dartford game. There was no guarantee that a tired first XI would have done any better. His choice was vindicated by the result against Chester. Move on FFS.

Apart from the fact that they are a dreadful side being beaten by all and sundry, and were there for the taking.

Still think it was the wrong decision and sent out the wrong message.

Opinions...................................

Quoted from ginnywings

Apart from the fact that they are a dreadful side being beaten by all and sundry, and were there for the taking.

Still think it was the wrong decision and sent out the wrong message.

Opinions...................................

This

Quoted from barralad

I cannot believe anyone is still banging on about the Dartford game. There was no guarantee that a tired first XI would have done any better. His choice was vindicated by the result against Chester. Move on FFS.

I'm not banging on about it, but do think it was a monumental fuk up on ph part.

As do the majority on here, too many changes for that game

Quoted from ackomariner

I'm not banging on about it, but do think it was a monumental fuk up on ph part.

As do the majority on here, too many changes for that game

more or less agree.
the next game is always the most important(silly cups aside) but to be fair the team selection was exciting against the Darts , and they came within a whisker of getting a result, and at least PH was pro active for once.

UTM

I was at Dartford, first 20mins it looked like a good plan. I don't blame PH, as before the game and in the early stages I was happy with the choices.
I'm not sure you can blame the manager when usually decent, well paid players, can't see or make a simple 10 yard pass for the majority of the game

Quoted from ginnywings

Apart from the fact that they are a dreadful side being beaten by all and sundry, and were there for the taking.

Still think it was the wrong decision and sent out the wrong message.

Opinions...................................

But not by teams that had played 48 hours earlier....opinions ;)

We only just beat Chester after most players had four days to recover from the Tuesday match.

It was the right thing to do to rest several of the guys who had played in the previous few matches.

If not for the sending off, and with a bit of luck, we might have got a point from that game and everyone would be happy.

I thought we beat Chester fairly comfortably, but their late goal made it look less comfortable (if that makes sense).

Quoted from ginnywings

Apart from the fact that they are a dreadful side being beaten by all and sundry, and were there for the taking.

Still think it was the wrong decision and sent out the wrong message.

Opinions...................................

Yes !  they are being beaten by all and sundry,thats why the team Hurst put out should have been more than capable to have done the job.Not to mention the subs named should also have been more than capable to come on and give a good account of them selves but didn't do their chances of a first team place any favours. Before kickoff I would imagine all of us,including Hurst expected a draw at the very least.Disappointing but lets move on.

So is it still time for this clown to go or does he get a few more games?  ;)

Quoted from FishOutOfWater

So is it still time for this clown to go or does he get a few more games?  ;)

Great credit to him for resting those players at Dartford so we had enough in the tank to beat Chester. Those 3 points have proved crucial and it can now be seen as a masterstroke by PH.  ;)

Sat in the Main Stand today and there is still no confidence in his ability to motivate. Even more concerning, I still don't believe he knows his best formation, let alone his best team.

Quoted from MeanwoodMariner

Great credit to him for resting those players at Dartford so we had enough in the tank to beat Chester. Those 3 points have proved crucial and it can now be seen as a masterstroke by PH.  ;)

You tease.....

Quoted from lee65

I'm not sure you can blame the manager when usually decent, well paid players, can't see or make a simple 10 yard pass for the majority of the game

He signed them FFs

Quoted from ackomariner

I'm not banging on about it, but do think it was a monumental fuk up on ph part.

As do the majority on here, too many changes for that game

Not sure you can say with any certainty the majority on here thought he made too many changes...unless we get a poll going.

I for one tend to agree with most of his selections.

Generally speaking most criticism of selections occur with the benefit of hindsight when we have just put in a poor performance.

Quoted from oldun

Generally speaking most criticism of selections occur with the benefit of hindsight when we have just put in a poor performance.

Agreed , but just how many poor performances can we put up with . If you went to a restaurant and had a poor meal would you go back every week ? Change whats on the menu still the same result   ..Think one would complain to the chef .
Put something exciting on the menu , make us excited , better atmosphere , no complaints .

Quoted from wycombemariner

He signed them FFs

As the original post said " usually decent players". Most of this squad have performed very well at this level and higher at other clubs. Some of them constantly let themselves down . Joe Colbeck is a prime example, has a really good game followed by several mediocre or poor ones. When Rooney had poor games at Manure were the fans blaming Fergie for signing him or Rooney for letting himself down?

Quoted from rancido

As the original post said " usually decent players". Most of this squad have performed very well at this level and higher at other clubs. Some of them constantly let themselves down . Joe Colbeck is a prime example, has a really good game followed by several mediocre or poor ones. When Rooney had poor games at Manure were the fans blaming Fergie for signing him or Rooney for letting himself down?

Colbeck doesn't really let himself down. His (rare) good performances are the ones where he plays above himself - the mediocre/ poor performances are his true level.
It's a really good example of regression to the mean.

Quoted from DocTower

Agreed , but just how many poor performances can we put up with . If you went to a restaurant and had a poor meal would you go back every week ? Change whats on the menu still the same result   ..Think one would complain to the chef .
Put something exciting on the menu , make us excited , better atmosphere , no complaints .

I don't jump around a restaurant shouting you fooking beauty when I get served a tasty dish. I say Mmmm this is good

Quoted from louth_in_the_south

I don't jump around a restaurant shouting you fooking beauty when I get served a tasty dish. I say Mmmm this is good

All right Samuel Jackson

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;D

Two weeks will sort out if he has learned from last year's experience in the play offs.

That will be the time to make the judgement, not just on him , but also the squad for how they come out to meet the challenge now they have crept into the play offs.

Those who played last year will not want a repeat, and those who are new should be told how bad it was for the fans to see how poorly the last team played in the two games.

As a matter of interest Steve Burr has signed a new 2 year deal at Chester

Really?? Wow that's Chester odds on to be promoted next season then!

there will be a lot of "told you so's" on here today

Told you so

Told you so you male masturbators  ;)

Told you so

We was robbed today  :P ;D ;D ;D

BUT

I told you so,

Even though I didn't. :)

Told you so.