Just listened to JT rolling over again and letting Hurst off the hook. Hurst said he would have go grief if he played a Youth in centre mid. No you wouldn't you muppet, Robinson is half the player Venney is or Clifton will be. He's just set a record for the most passes back in a game of football.

Both Clifton and venney better than the loanee

For what it's worth, I don't think there was anything to choose between Clay and Robinson today. Both did OK in the first half but were pretty much invisible in the second half. Lacking in stamina, to say the least.

Note, this doesn't mean that I think Clifton or Venney would have done any better. Their midfield had a good mix of experience and athleticism, the things that the players available to us today (but for Disley) simply don't have.

Not heard the post-match interview as yet but, if it is anything like the one following the Torquay game, JT will be pulling his punches too much. You need to ask difficult questions after difficult games. Otherwise, what's the point of the interview in the first place?

Quoted from Maringer

JT will be pulling his punches too much. You need to ask difficult questions after difficult games. Otherwise, what's the point of the interview in the first place?

I imagine JT will be fearful of asking questions the club don't want asking. The club have already pulled RH from interviews, pulled out of Jake Olley's fanzine, the Telegraph is a propoganda mouthpiece despite the supposed sybiotic relationship.

The club aren't doing interviews with humberside .. Since when ?

Robinson is excrement.

Waste of wages n waste of a loan.

To be fair to JT if he is too ferocious Hurst will just end up sending Doigy out each week or even Andy Warrington (remember when he sent Steve Croudson out) I actually thought Craig Clay stood up more than the manager when he was interviewed.

I thought PH made a poor call today to pick Clay and Robinson together against a team that have such a good record at BP and had lost 3 on the bang. Both players ended up doing the same things and in the second half you could not tell who was holding and who was attacking and that is when the shape went out of the window.

Should have put Dis on when Arnold came on to get the balance back and to get McKreth who looked dangerous in the first half back in the game.

Over all I think a mixture of squandered attempts at goal and poor selection/responses by PH let us down today...................One can be forgiven the other cannot.......Differing opinions will define which is which.

Just hold on a second how do we know that Venney and Clifton are better, how many of us watched youth games every week last year, and all we've seen of either of them in a senior match apart from a tidy 5 minutes from Venney when we were 4-1 up against Barrow.

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Just hold on a second how do we know that Venney and Clifton are better, how many of us watched youth games every week last year, and all we've seen of either of them in a senior match apart from a tidy 5 minutes from Venney when we were 4-1 up against Barrow.

The current crows nest 2nds holding midfielder looks better than Robinson to me

Quoted from Mariner_09

Just hold on a second how do we know that Venney and Clifton are better, how many of us watched youth games every week last year, and all we've seen of either of them in a senior match apart from a tidy 5 minutes from Venney when we were 4-1 up against Barrow.

I have seen them in all the friendlies against higher league opposition than us and also against the lower league teams like Cleethorpes Town and Nth Ferriby where their players really got stuck in and in my opinion look far better than Robinson has so far.

Quoted from arryarryarry

I have seen them in all the friendlies against higher league opposition than us and also against the lower league teams like Cleethorpes Town and Nth Ferriby where their players really got stuck in and in my opinion look far better than Robinson has so far.

Ok, fair enough, but they still weren't competitive games.

Quoted from Mariner_09

Ok, fair enough, but they still weren't competitive games.

The games against Cleethorpes Town and Nth Ferriby were pretty competitive, perhaps you should ask to play in one of them next time.

I would also add that Robinson wasn't very competitive today.

Robinson wasn't great yesterday, but he did more in the first half than Clay and the same amount of nothing as Clay in the second half. I'm surprised to see that he's bearing the brunt of all criticism when both midfielders were equally weak yesterday.

I don't think he's the right sort of player for us at the moment but can see there is a reasonable enough footballer in there so don't think we need to scapegoat him. As others have noted he played for Luton a lot during their promotion season when he was only a teenager and the Kidderminster fans liked him from his loan spell, so he's obviously got something about him.

Quoted from Maringer

Robinson wasn't great yesterday, but he did more in the first half than Clay and the same amount of nothing as Clay in the second half. I'm surprised to see that he's bearing the brunt of all criticism when both midfielders were equally weak yesterday.

I don't think he's the right sort of player for us at the moment but can see there is a reasonable enough footballer in there so don't think we need to scapegoat him. As others have noted he played for Luton a lot during their promotion season when he was only a teenager and the Kidderminster fans liked him from his loan spell, so he's obviously got something about him.

Good post they were as bad as each other you should play either one of them and another (pref disley)

Midfielders available ????

Arnold , Disley , Monkhouse, Clay, Marshall , Mackreth...

and Robinson got a game.....

why the fook did we sign him in the first place ???

Yep, I'd have started with Disley (providing he wasn't carrying any little niggles). If you have to substitute him after an hour, then fair enough, but try to keep your best players in the team whenever possible.

Quoted from Maringer

Yep, I'd have started with Disley (providing he wasn't carrying any little niggles). If you have to substitute him after an hour, then fair enough, but try to keep your best players in the team whenever possible.

Same as I said in the earlier thread about who to drop. We had impetus after the Lincoln game, Hursts problem is that if given a choice he will always ALWAYS take the cautious ( usually less exciting) option. Diz had to start, you then build a lead, THEN we can look at taking him off and shoring things up.

When we play with Robinson we are virtually a man short in one of the most important positions, if that's scapegoating so be it, behind Macca he is the most important player for the opposition that they have at this moment in time.
Both situations can be resolved, rest Macca and give relegation haunted Luton their player back.
Paul Hurst.  Now that's another matter

To me the lad don't want to be here he does not look interested and hardly speak,s to the other players pre match warm up and for want of another word lazy

Quoted from Garth

When we play with Robinson we are virtually a man short in one of the most important positions, if that's scapegoating so be it, behind Macca he is the most important player for the opposition that they have at this moment in time.
Both situations can be resolved, rest Macca and give relegation haunted Luton their player back.
Paul Hurst.  Now that's another matter

Craig Clay did not exactly set the world on fire yesterday.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Craig Clay did not exactly set the world on fire yesterday.

So I believe, but hes suddenly partnering a similar type player who is not match sharp that he has not played with before, Of course he wont be great if he is worrying about other things that may or may not be going on around him as well as his own game

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So I believe, but hes suddenly partnering a similar type player who is not match sharp that he has not played with before, Of course he wont be great if he is worrying about other things that may or may not be going on around him as well as his own game

This. I thought Clay carried Robinson in the first half yesterday and was knackered by half time. Waiting to change it was half the problem.

If Clay was knackered after 45 minutes (in which he really didn't do any more than Robinson), he's got a problem, especially as he has sat out the previous two games.

I don't think a great deal of Robinson, but let's not imagine that Clay was any better than him yesterday, especially in the second half when both went AWOL.

As I've stated I'm still pro-Hurst and not in the business of scapegoating but feel Robinson has severely hamstrung us in a vital position, the engine room and yes I agree it's like playing with ten men. Someone like utility man East in there even would at least have a motor on him.

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As I've stated I'm still pro-Hurst and not in the business of scapegoating but feel Robinson has severely hamstrung us in a vital position, the engine room and yes I agree it's like playing with ten men. Someone like utility man East in there even would at least have a motor on him.

The manager picks the team not the players................  

Quoted from HertsGTFC

The manager picks the team not the players................  

And also instructs them about who sits and who presses forward.

Yes he does, I'm broadly pro-Hurst but there are odd little things like this that do grate

Quoted from Rik e B

Yes he does, I'm broadly pro-Hurst but there are odd little things like this that do grate

Same to be honest and certainly believe a change would be a massive gamble, Listening to Craig Clay on Humberside (who fronted up) he said the players need to get together and deal with this and nobody else. I believe they know what this means to us and will do theor best whether they are perm or a loanee.