I gotta say i see his point with some sections with the jeering, But as much as tomlinson works hard, his finishing leaving a lot to be desired and can see why the decision to take him off was greeted with a cheer ( even if i dont agree with it!) UTM- nothing else much really said in interview

Just getting more interesting now!!!

Quoted from Hagrid

Just getting more interesting now!!!

Why?

He off on one with JT now though.

JT saying do you not think you make it hard work for yourself with the fans.

Well said Paul Hurst

I can see PH points, but i also agree with what JT is saying, Pauls right to defend his players, but its the nature of football that sometimes players do get stick, even if it isnt right

Just because you've brought him in on loan Mr Hurst doesn't mean you have to start him every time, esp. by now when you should have realised he's not equal or better to what else we have available...

Christ whats he going to do when he manages in the Premiership and gets 40k plus fans booing and having a go

How can he go on about keeping the spirit from the summer, if he keeps the performances the same as the summer then the good spirit stays, simple as..

Interview went off twice for me so will have to listen to it later.

an excellent talk from John Tondeur there at the end on Humberside.

Agree with what Hurst said re:the fans.

How could anyone think sarcastically cheering Macca catching the ball would help him, or help the team?
And cheering Tomlinson going off, who had actually played well, what goes through people's heads when they do these things?

Quoted from Tommy

Agree with what Hurst said re:the fans.

How could anyone think sarcastically cheering Macca catching the ball would help him, or help the team?
And cheering Tomlinson going off, who had actually played well, what goes through people's heads when they do these things?

Christ on a bike, Tomlinson didn't run off three of JPs knock downs, missed three sitters and huffed and puffed for 70 minutes which is 20 minutes than Lenny used to. He's paid as a striker, strikers strike, he doesn't!

JT clearly understands what this means to us not only with his questions to PH but his comments to Dave Burns afterwards. I think JT is a Town fan despite the BBC having to be unbiased.

Though I am not sure PH is completely wrong in that we need to stick together I think he is losing touch and an understanding of how much it hurts Town fans to be where we are. He may be "just happy to be here" but we are not.

I agree BP can be pretty negative at times but it will feel even worse if the manager alienates the fans and that will get over to the players. Remember we pay our money and we are entitled to an opinion however ill informed people may think it is.

Away from that decent result that puts us in touch and a well done to Nathan Arnold who I am ure every Town fans regardless of opinion was pleased to see do well tonight,  

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Christ on a bike, Tomlinson didn't run off three of JPs knock downs, missed three sitters and huffed and puffed for 70 minutes which is 20 minutes than Lenny used to. He's paid as a striker, strikers strike, he doesn't!

I must have gone to a different game .

Tomlinson is the new Robinson. No matter how he plays, unless he's scoring every game, there will be muttering from a section of the crowd that he shouldn't be in the team. You could hear it from some of the crowd today when he let the ball slip under his foot (on the very wet pitch) early on.

In the 'Just back' thread, one or two have gone as far as to say he is rubbish though he actually put in a decent performance and was much the better of the starting forwards today. He's on a hiding to nothing, I'm afraid.

Not heard Hurst's interview as yet so it will be interesting to hear exactly what he says. It is almost unbelievable that a lot of the crowd were cheering sarcastically when our keeper caught the ball after his earlier blunder, especially when his confidence has been down this season.

Quoted from Maringer

Tomlinson is the new Robinson. No matter how he plays, unless he's scoring every game, there will be muttering from a section of the crowd that he shouldn't be in the team. You could hear it from some of the crowd today when he let the ball slip under his foot (on the very wet pitch) early on.

In the 'Just back' thread, one or two have gone as far as to say he is rubbish though he actually put in a decent performance and was much the better of the starting forwards today. He's on a hiding to nothing, I'm afraid.

Not heard Hurst's interview as yet so it will be interesting to hear exactly what he says. It is almost unbelievable that a lot of the crowd were cheering sarcastically when our keeper caught the ball after his earlier blunder, especially when his confidence has been down this season.

It's here:

https://audioboom.com/boos/3660651-gtfc-manager-paul-hurst-talks-to-humbersidesport-after-their-2-1-win-over-gateshead?utm_campaign=detailpage&utm_content=retweet&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Quoted from highcliff mariner

I must have gone to a different game .

Moved seats at half time. But most people around me at both locations thought Tomlinson was poor tonight. As did I.

This seems to be the nature of this forum at the moment - we win and people will still have a go at PH and the team - we lose and the forum becomes throwing insults at each other and everyone becoming the best tacticians that no qualified manager knows anything about - believe me anyone on here that would be put into PH's and the teams position this Saturday would literally crawl into a big hole,because they would be to worried about the 'Fishy' reaction - let's get behind PH and the team at least until Christmas - then maybe we could judge - but believe me this team will only improve - and if it doesn't then put yourself forward but I can guarantee you'll not be manager of GTFC - Let's just get behind PH and the lads UTM!!

Just listened, was expecting him to lambast the fans, in the end think he was relatively fair.  Kept stressing that it is a minority but agree with him that any fans sarcastically applauding Mckeown should be ashamed, that is very poor!

Think he wants that unity we felt when we were on a roll last season and over the summer back, so he wants us fans onside which is good, just hope he realises that it will come with good performances, good results, and honesty with the fans regarding odd team selections.  

Wish though he could of focused on the fact that Arnold clearly had a blinder and we have 3 very winnable games in row that could get us on that roll instead of the negative though.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Christ on a bike, Tomlinson didn't run off three of JPs knock downs, missed three sitters and huffed and puffed for 70 minutes which is 20 minutes than Lenny used to. He's paid as a striker, strikers strike, he doesn't!

Missed three sitters?

He only had one real chance as far as I remember. The one that came back to him on the edge of the box after he'd tried to play in Arnold to his right. Clean strike but too close to middle of the goal. The other half chance was from quite a tight angle by the time it dropped for him to hit it and that couldn't have been far off.

I think we've began to create less chances in the last couple of games so whilst we can say the strikers didn't score tonight, it's not like they've missed loads of sitters.

Quoted from Tommy

Agree with what Hurst said re:the fans.

How could anyone think sarcastically cheering Macca catching the ball would help him, or help the team?
And cheering Tomlinson going off, who had actually played well, what goes through people's heads when they do these things?

It's all,part of football , and British humour , black comedy if you want .  Nothing wrong with that , if you can't stand the heat etc etc . If you don't show what your feelings are nothing will change.  If you wish to clap mediocrity so be it , I clapped Tomlinson off and Amond on as supporter . Couldn't say much about their goal , just left me speechless , but poo happens now and again . 3 points at the end if the day .

Quoted from Belfast Town

It's here:

https://audioboom.com/boos/3660651-gtfc-manager-paul-hurst-talks-to-humbersidesport-after-their-2-1-win-over-gateshead?utm_campaign=detailpage&utm_content=retweet&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Thanks for posting the link.

Having listened I think Paul Hurst comes out of the interview very well.  I do like his interviews and am behind him (as I'm behind anyone GTFC), but haven't agreed with some of his selections - mainly Parslow in midfield last year and Tomlinson up front instead of Amond or Bogle at the moment. He is spot on re abuse of players but he was at pains to stress a number of occasions that it was a small minority.

What griped me was the question "are you happy if your strikers don't score but the team wins?"

That question just wasn't necessary. Well played Hurst on stressing that a team gains promotion and when we did have a striker banging them in we finished mid table!

I may disagree with some of Hursts selections and tactics at times but he has it spot on when talking about our home support. The only time you can justify shouting abuse at a player who is wearing black and white is when they are clearly not bothered in the mould of Conlon, Proudlock, Sweeney etc. I just wish the minority would stay away, they are doing no one any favours and it doesn't do the  players confidence any good. By all means have your opinion but there is a time and a place for it. The minority certainly know how to kick players when they are down. We should be there to lift the players when they have had a knock and inspire the players (like our away fans do).
The emotion from the squad at Wembley showed how much it means to them and everyone at the clubs needs to pull together now. Why did certain players turn down football league clubs in the summer on better money? Because they care as much as we do and know how much we crave our return. We are all bound to get frustrated as we all care however don't deflect this frustration on individuals. Everyone could see what effect the fans had on the players throughout the ending on last season so lets try and drown the moaners out in our next home game against Halifax.
You never know, this time next week we could be top of the league .

UTM

Tomlinson just doesnt look like a striker to me, he maybe hassles players but several things stick in my mind about his performance this evening...
first half... there was a deep cross that went beyond him from East i think...he waved his arms in frustration at East, failing to realise Monkhouse was coming in behind and headed the ball back for Tomlinson who turned to realise too late and chance gone...
first half... bemoaned a clearance from the back as not being in the channel, a couple of moments later stood completely flat footed as a similar ball to Pitmans head was obviously going to be flicked into the channel...
two ridiculous shots from distance that must have been 20 -30 yds off target.....
laying the ball to Arnold when he had a clear strike on goal from a central position, he also didnt do well with the rebound that fell to him straight after......

he played a couple of intelligent passes in the 70 mins he was on but i am afraid running around for your team is a pre-requisite for me so doesnt earn any brownie points if that running is ineffective.  

Whatever you think of Tomlinson, since he came into the side, we are conceding less goals and picking up more points, despite our fixtures getting decidedly more difficult this month. Perhaps Hurst knows more than we do?

Just  listened to the interview and think he was pretty accurate in his analysis for me, also i understand what he says about the fans reactions however , ironic cheers exist in football..its terrace humour, whether its aimed at the ref for finally giving us a decision, a player getting it right after a series of poor incidents, an oppostion player fcking something up......a little too sensitive there for me but his core message of sticking together and keeping the O.P spirit is valid.    Just realise your part in that Paul by selecting the most capable players you have that will get us a victory, not a team that wont lose or that will keep an unbeaten run going but a team that is most capable of getting us a victory.
Two wins and three losses is more valuable than 5 draws...points...that is all that matters, unbeaten is nice but it isnt necessarliy the most effective way of getting promotion.

I always thought ironic cheering was for opposition players.

Quoted from ginnywings

Whatever you think of Tomlinson, since he came into the side, we are conceding less goals and picking up more points, despite our fixtures getting decidedly more difficult this month. Perhaps Hurst knows more than we do?

or Pittman or Makreth...as all three have coincided havnt they?

Hurst is right to criticise sarcastivc applause of the best keeper we've had for years. One thing is absolutely certain - that would never happen at an away match where the supporters always seem to give unconditional support to every player. My guess is that the minority boo-boys at Blundell Park have probably never got off their fat arses to go and watch Town away from home.

Quoted from moosey_club

or Pittman or Makreth...as all three have coincided havnt they?

Good point but i think Mackreth was more out of necessity with Arnold being sidelined and Pittman got his chance when Podge injured his ankle and scored a few, so he couldn't be left out. However it came about, the results have improved.

I must be missing something here because i clapped Tomlinson off because he is a Town player.

Nice one Hursty. Hope he knows it's just a few braindeads that boo and a sarcastic to their own players.

Had a split opinion on Hurst's interview last night, agreed with most of it to tell the truth. I agreed with but you could tell he was in a prickly mood when he opened with "Is that a question you want me to answer?" JT asked the questions the fans want to hear the answers to and Hurst didn't seem to understand that someone might have a different opinion to him. He seemed very sure that he was right. By the sounds of it JT also got an ear full off air!

He doesn't help himself though, personally I applauded Tomlinson off because I thought he played well, he chased lost causes, held the ball up well and brought others into play and played a  number of good, intricate balls through the defensive line.

Also I think Macca, would have got that anywhere, like JT also said and it's not a specific Grimsby Town thing. Having said that, I totally agreed that Macca didn't need that sarcastic applause and that the team come first when it comes to selections and not an individual. I  thought Bogle and Podge offered less than JP and Tomlinson did when they were on. Tomlinson just needs a goal to boost his confidence and I'm sure once he gets one he'll get a shed load.

JT was also right about that the hurt of 5 years in "non-league" has built up and we are desperate to get out and I also agree that Hurst doesn't seem to appreciate this either. Wouldn't be surprised or disappointed to see JP and Tomlinson play on Saturday, and as always I will get behind the team hope we win, as I think some on here want players to fail just so they can moan.

Keep believing! For goodness sake everyone we just won and played as well as any other time in this league let alone this season in the first half.

Hurst has always had a touchy edge though, remember the rocketing we got when Lenny buried that penalty in the dying seconds against Woking a couple of years ago?

UTM!

I don't think he does himself any favours by having a whinge about the fans. Like he said, it's a minority not the majority so concentrate on majority or don't mention it at all.

There will always be the whingers. The fact that he has told them to stop it, as if talking to naughty school children isn't going to have the desired effect. Keep winning, that is the only way to shut them up.

Quoted from Tommy

Agree with what Hurst said re:the fans.

How could anyone think sarcastically cheering Macca catching the ball would help him, or help the team?
And cheering Tomlinson going off, who had actually played well, what goes through people's heads when they do these things?

Could have been worse - remember when the Kop sang "Careless Hands" to Gary Sprake when he put one in his own net? ;)

Quoted from A Brace Of Tees

Hurst is right to criticise sarcastivc applause of the best keeper we've had for years. One thing is absolutely certain - that would never happen at an away match where the supporters always seem to give unconditional support to every player. My guess is that the minority boo-boys at Blundell Park have probably never got off their fat arses to go and watch Town away from home.

The few that tried to start a Hurst out chant at Braintree last year were soon told to shut up or F off.  The away support is exactly that ;-support and part of the reason our away record has been so good. No one i have ever worked with suddenly works harder or gains confidence by being slagged off

Quoted from nightrider

Christ whats he going to do when he manages in the Premiership and gets 40k plus fans booing and having a go

He's not on his way to The SOL now is he? He'll turn us down anyway, everybody does!

I haven't heard the interview yet (as we cannot get it on our PCs at work :-/) but if his comments about some of the fans were in answer to a question from JT then fair enough, but this wouldn't be the first time he has had a moan about some of the fans and for me managers should just let it go, having a moan wont win those fans back as even Alan Buckley found.

If JT wanted to ask a question about the fans perhaps a more pertinent one would have been why did he think there was 1200 fans missing from Saturday.

Quoted from Mariner_09

JT was also right about that the hurt of 5 years in "non-league" has built up and we are desperate to get out and I also agree that Hurst doesn't seem to appreciate this either.

I think this is a problem among fans. The fact we have been down here 5 years is just not relevant to the decisions Hurst makes, or how hard the players are trying. The idea that we've served our time, or had enough of this league, or are somehow owed a return to the league now is doing nothing but make fans frustrated.

A bloody damp Tuesday night?

Liked his interview.However people will always have opinions and you cant keep them all happy.In truth I agree with most of his views on the interview.

Quoted from MeanwoodMariner

I think this is a problem among fans. The fact we have been down here 5 years is just not relevant to the decisions Hurst makes, or how hard the players are trying. The idea that we've served our time, or had enough of this league, or are somehow owed a return to the league now is doing nothing but make fans frustrated.

I feel things are improving under Hurst albeit slower than some fans seem to like.Look at Luton for one.Arguably a bigger club and it took them 5 years to get out of this league

I thought it was reasonable of Hurst to mention the few fans who made sarcastic applause directed at Macca, but I would have liked to have heard him balance that out with some positive comments about the vast majority of supporters who showed Nathan Arnold fantastic and warm support.

Quoted from arryarryarry

I haven't heard the interview yet (as we cannot get it on our PCs at work :-/) but if his comments about some of the fans were in answer to a question from JT then fair enough, but this wouldn't be the first time he has had a moan about some of the fans and for me managers should just let it go, having a moan wont win those fans back as even Alan Buckley found.

If JT wanted to ask a question about the fans perhaps a more pertinent one would have been why did he think there was 1200 fans missing from Saturday.

Pretty obvious that - it had been pissing down with rain most of the day and some of our fans probably couldn't afford to attend 2 home games in 4 days.

What is annoying me at the moment is that people forget how together the club and players became under Hurst's management. Losing your top goal scorer from last season coupled with the fact that the playoff final losers generally have an almighty bubble burst moment (Wrexham, Kidderminster, Gateshead to mention a few). Given town have not lost in 8 games, have not lost to Wrexham, Tranmere, Forest Green and Gateshead. We were 12 points off top and now only 4, we're in a fantastic points position to start to turn the screw a bit.

I think the manager was absolutely spot on in the interview last night to protect the closeness he has been working hard for.

Everyone knows it takes 10 games minimum for a team to gel, plus the fact he's had injuries along the way, it seems no coincidence we are becoming hard to beat again. Coincidence? Think not, we've always been sturdy under Hurst.

One final point, I liked the way Hurst says that despite fans having their favourites, yes Amond and Bogle have scored the most goals as a partnership, we also shipped more goals the other end and its the team that he cares about and not individuals.

I will see you all at Braintree Saturday where I for one will not be in the moaning minority. I have a moan away from the games but never directed towards town players.

Quoted from arryarryarry

I haven't heard the interview yet (as we cannot get it on our PCs at work :-/) but if his comments about some of the fans were in answer to a question from JT then fair enough, but this wouldn't be the first time he has had a moan about some of the fans and for me managers should just let it go, having a moan wont win those fans back as even Alan Buckley found.

If JT wanted to ask a question about the fans perhaps a more pertinent one would have been why did he think there was 1200 fans missing from Saturday.

It's not clear from your answer whether you went to work after the game. If not then surely that must be one of the reasons? People working evenings?
I thought historically mid-week league games always attract lower crowds...

EDIT:- Just read your contributions on other threads so obviously you were there (I thought it was strange!). Point still stands though-shift workers?

Quoted from MeanwoodMariner

I think this is a problem among fans. The fact we have been down here 5 years is just not relevant to the decisions Hurst makes, or how hard the players are trying. The idea that we've served our time, or had enough of this league, or are somehow owed a return to the league now is doing nothing but make fans frustrated.

Excellent point. Every time we draw or worse, lose, I immediately revert back to all the deep seated feelings I have about being in this league. That's why I think PH is the man to help me and others exorcise those ghosts by getting promoted. I think he's put together an even better team than last year.

Just listened to the interview and thought it was fair enough tbh but having said that when the manager critisizes his own fans small minority or not it's never a good thing usually

JT did not bring the subject of sarcastic fans up PH did, and then in his own words JT said "as he raised the subject,  the discussion went on from there"
Of course I don`t agree with the actions of a minority of supporters but thats what it is a minority, unless you live in a police state thats vocally what you get in a football crowd FFS get over it and get on with it, nothing said about the support that Arnold got before and after the match as well as the applause Macca got at half time.
Hurst was entitled to have his say after a win coming when a good deal of supporters thought he had chosen the wrong team on the night, but it rankled with me as he used a broad brush that seemed to include all the support.
The fans have given him a rough time on here lately, and its his platform to get one back I suppose, full marks to JT for his support on the fans behalf regarding the history of hurt that PH walked into late,  something he can and will walk out of someday we can`t

Quoted from barralad

It's not clear from your answer whether you went to work after the game. If not then surely that must be one of the reasons? People working evenings?
I thought historically mid-week league games always attract lower crowds...

EDIT:- Just read your contributions on other threads so obviously you were there (I thought it was strange!). Point still stands though-shift workers?

I was at the game and first time on a PC was at work this morning, but 1,200 shift workers :-/

Quoted from arryarryarry

I was at the game and first time on a PC was at work this morning, but 1,200 shift workers :-/

Doh! Obviously it isn't the only reason but a contributing factor?

Go on agree with me. You know you want to.... :)

I did cheer when Macca caught the cross, but, for me anyway, it wasn't sarcasm more trying to encourage him to forget his blunder and pleased to see it wasn't still in his, where he could have been afraid to come and confidently catch the cross.
Having said that, I suppose it could have been taken as sarcasm, but maybe like me, that's not how it was meant.

Quoted from NorthseaMariner

I did cheer when Macca caught the cross, but, for me anyway, it wasn't sarcasm more trying to encourage him to forget his blunder and pleased to see it wasn't still in his, where he could have been afraid to come and confidently catch the cross.
Having said that, I suppose it could have been taken as sarcasm, but maybe like me, that's not how it was meant.

I think it's just a natural reaction when a keeper has made a big howler that fans will cheer louder than normal when he makes the next routine stop/catch.

It's all football fans in general not just Town fans.

Quoted from Les Brechin

I think it's just a natural reaction when a keeper has made a big howler that fans will cheer louder than normal when he makes the next routine stop/catch.

It's all football fans in general not just Town fans.

You are absolutely right. I cannot believe the manager has made an issue of it to spoil what was a good night. Its a normal reaction which would have occurred at every other ground in the country.

When he made the error, which to be honest is the worst goalkeeping error I have seen at Blundell Park, you could hear a pin drop. There was no abuse given, just a stunned silence.

I think the manager is being far too sensitive on things like this - you cannot have our brilliant  fans, giving their all for the club home and away and expect them never to react to a bad display or bad mistake.

On a more positive note, those of us who thought this season would come right because we have some damned good players and a manager who has got them playing some superb football may be proved right, but we will see how it pans out.

It was certainly more of a jeer than a cheer, if you ask me.

Hurst is generally very touchy in defence of his players which is fair enough, from my point of view. Probably goes some way to explaining why there is such a good atmosphere around the squad.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

You are absolutely right. I cannot believe the manager has made an issue of it to spoil what was a good night. Its a normal reaction which would have occurred at every other ground in the country.

When he made the error, which to be honest is the worst goalkeeping error I have seen at Blundell Park, you could hear a pin drop. There was no abuse given, just a stunned silence.

I think the manager is being far too sensitive on things like this - you cannot have our brilliant  fans, giving their all for the club home and away and expect them never to react to a bad display or bad mistake.

On a more positive note, those of us who thought this season would come right because we have some damned good players and a manager who has got them playing some superb football may be proved right, but we will see how it pans out.

Wasn't there last night but I do feel for McKeown as he has been getting back to his best and his old self after his early season mishaps

Let's hope everyone can draw a line under this and get behind him no matter what - the sooner he gets back to making routine saves the sooner we can move on but if there is any unease from the terraces he'll sense it I'm sure and it won't help his concentration

Not having seen the incident, I can't judge how bad his mistake was but JT kept bringing it up on the radio commentary as the worst he'd ever seen too (until Buckley more or less told him to zip it! )

I remember his clanger at Gateshead when he let the ball go through his hands in to the net...I think the whole away end just wanted to believe it was a bad dream but Macca had to stand there facing up to what he'd done. It takes some character to face up to your mistakes, especially when they are so out of character and you must want to just hide away. I guess the same last night - fortunately Nathan Arnold's inspired performance rescued the situation

Thinking of bad goal-keeping errors at BP, I'd have to say Nick Colgan's scrambling around in the mud against Bournemouth has to be my number 1 comedy moment, although I wasn't laughing at the time. I don't think he ever regained the trust of fans again (not that we had the same rapport with him as we do with McKeown) so just hope that last night's gaff won't be repeated

One more thing ( apologies for going on about this ) anyone hear David Burns say he was at the football last night and saying "keepers don't wear pink if you're going to mess up" or words to that effect. No mention of the win, no mention of our goals or the support....I don't actually mind his show but if he had to comment on his night out in Cleethorpes, why twist the knife when there were much more positive things on show last night  :-/

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Molehill

Its unfortunate that after a good win the attention is focused on Hurst and his relationship with the fans.

He brought the topic up in the interview and is clearly something thats continues to irk him. I have lost count how many times he has had a moan about a certain section of the support...it seems to be after every game.

Hurst is right in saying we need everyone pulling in the same direction. I agree with him on that. I also agree that it doesnt help the players or the team when some fans get on their backs. He has said on numerous occasions the team sometimes find it difficult at home and are a bit more relaxed away from home.

But in my experience Towns fans  and the atmosphere at BP is just like EVERY other team around the country. All fans have their favourites (as do managers!!) and those who are not so.

It was simply a really bad mistake by Macca. Simple as. No excuses he should do better than that and of course the lad knows that himself. Whilst i dont condone the sarcastic cheers that followed i can tell you now the same would have happened at any other ground in the country. The majority of fans got behind him i thought.

with regards to Tomlinson. I think he is a useful addition to the squad. Cant fault his work rate and endeavour. But in the games he has played he has rarely threatened to score. We have 2 guys on the bench who were scoring for fun almost so it puzzles fans that they are ommitted and he starts. So unless he has a blinder and puts a couple in the net there are going to be some fans who will question (maybe vocally) why he is in and the other arent. last night was a typical Tommo performance -plenty of running around but no end product. Hardly surprising then if some cheer when he is substituted. Again maybe not great for the player but again hardly a thing unique to BP. I thought the cheers were more for Bogle & Amond coming on rather than necessarily having a 'go' at Tomlinson myself.

Hurst needs to appreciate that for us town fans being down in this league is purgatory and we are all desperate to get back into the FL where we belong. The frustration for some fans manifests itslef in the jeers and boos. . Might not be right but thats the way it is..and as i say BP is not unique in that respect.

If you want to get rid of the negativity Hurst the teams needs to go out and put on a performance on a more regular basis.

I don't like it when Hurst slags off the fans. I think it's really unprofessional.  GTFC is a business and how many businesses  are abusive about their customers?

The interview was spikey from the start and not a very good advert for our club.

Thought John Tondeur did a great job though.

Quoted from horsforthmariner

I don't like it when Hurst slags off the fans. I think it's really unprofessional.  GTFC is a business and how many businesses  are abusive about their customers?

The interview was spikey from the start and not a very good advert for our club.

Thought John Tondeur did a great job though.

See your point but football is a business like no other, we are not purchasing a product when we go see Town, we are actually a part of that product.  Also while any business wants to make money as its prime aim, in football making money is more of a secondary aim for most involved in it.  

So don't think it is as clear cut as that, Hurst has used his interview to try and get the fans united again in a way we were before the season, think he probably chose the wrong way to go about it but wasn't that critical of fans always focusing on the word minority.  

Mind you agree 100% that John Tondeur (who I often think is unfairly criticised for his interviews) did a v good job in that interview.

Fantastic interview Hurst is absolutely spot on his ethos is building a team in spirit as well as effort it is this spirit which makes players want to run through walls to help each other. Is it to much to expect fans to do the same, this negativity is well known here remember the shouty one famously having a face to face with fans?? Hurst remembers all the booing and jeering it is counter productive ffs we are on the brink of a top spot are we not all happy??

Quoted from Mrs Doyle

Fantastic interview Hurst is absolutely spot on his ethos is building a team in spirit as well as effort it is this spirit which makes players want to run through walls to help each other. Is it to much to expect fans to do the same, this negativity is well known here remember the shouty one famously having a face to face with fans?? Hurst remembers all the booing and jeering it is counter productive ffs we are on the brink of a top spot are we not all happy??

I don't get this constant emphasis on Paul Hurst being special about building team spirit as well as effort, surely most if not all managers who want to be successful are doing the same.

Quoted from arryarryarry

I don't get this constant emphasis on Paul Hurst being special about building team spirit as well as effort, surely most if not all managers who want to be successful are doing the same.

The fans got the spirit going last year after forest green, the fans kept it going again with operation promotion...... So its not all the manager as Mrs Doyle tries to get across

He is provoked into making a comment by JT and so he should be. There are quite a few fans that are 'Hurst out' and others who simply doubt his ability and that is what JT is alluding to. What's PH going to say? I love them and feel great about the fact they want me out of a job. For me it's the playing out of a media role play that's inevitable - least it's not boring and at least he doesn't deflect all these questions. There are too many times when 'PH's black and white army' is belted out during games, to doubt the fact, he is well regarded by many. At the end of the day I don't mind the dissenting voices, however loud they are. It would all be too cosy otherwise.

JT was fine last night - as was Paul Hurst, someone once said ' you can't please all of the people all of the time' and PH needs to remember that. We played pretty well last night and should/would have been out of sight last night had the strikers taken their chances and Macca not made his howler.

Many sat near me last night are frustrated with the needless points we've dropped and the feeling when Gateshead scored was 'here we go again', surely he feels that himself? There is a feeling out there that, on the balance of play, Wrexham (where we ironically drew) could have been the only game we've lost so far.

Quoted from ackomariner

The fans got the spirit going last year after forest green, the fans kept it going again with operation promotion...... So its not all the manager as Mrs Doyle tries to get across

Agree totally.

Accentuate the positive Paul and as you rightly pointed out several times, it is a minority, so just get on with it and ignore them. Bigger crowds bring with them more mouthy fans. We aint Boston or Ilkeston.

I wonder if pressure just tells a bit sometimes. Must be pretty horrible at times when people are speculating over your job and when I think how nervous I am watching the last five minutes of a game so god only knows what it's like for managers. I know he's paid to deal with it and a positive interview would have been more use but he generally conducts himself in a very dignified way.

There were "fans" in the main stand giving him "advice" on a regular basis last night. " Get some proper strikers on Hurst" was a regular call. His ability as a manager was brought into question. When Tomlinson failed to put a chance away "get him off Hurst" rang out, and so on. Not unusual at games I guess but he surely has the right to reply and he was quite measured in his response to JT. One thing he made very clear was that as far as he is concerned it is the team above any individual and will always be the case.

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I wonder if pressure just tells a bit sometimes. Must be pretty horrible at times when people are speculating over your job and when I think how nervous I am watching the last five minutes of a game so god only knows what it's like for managers. I know he's paid to deal with it and a positive interview would have been more use but he generally conducts himself in a very dignified way.

I sat in the Main Stand for a while last season and the abuse he gets from some in there is horrendous. Hard for him to ignore when they are right behind him but i'm afraid it goes with the territory as some people think they have a right to hurl abuse. I know a lot of it is frustration but i get frustrated and don't feel the need to shout crap at the top of my lungs to players and the management.

More a reflection of them as people than anything else I guess. Didn't I read on the match thread that there was some confrontation with a screaming Main-Stander before the game? Maybe that set him off and then a bit of (predictable) mock cheering of Macca and it just built up to a bit of an outburst. Agree with you that it would've been better if he'd bitten his tongue but understand why occasionally managers struggle.

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JT was fine last night - as was Paul Hurst, someone once said ' you can't please all of the people all of the time' and PH needs to remember that. We played pretty well last night and should/would have been out of sight last night had the strikers taken their chances and Macca not made his howler.

Many sat near me last night are frustrated with the needless points we've dropped and the feeling when Gateshead scored was 'here we go again', surely he feels that himself? There is a feeling out there that, on the balance of play, Wrexham (where we ironically drew) could have been the only game we've lost so far.

Poet, John Lydgate  ;).  I didn't know that but google is a wonderful source of useless information..(smartass1)

I actually think, on reflection , that Hurst was more pleading for unity and stressing the importance of support to the players than he was intentionally having a go.  For which, of course, he is right.

Alan Buckley was far more dismissive of the opinion of fans than Paul Hurst could ever be. It was almost a weekly occurance that he'd get involved in a slanging match with fans in the Main Stand especially in the early days. I can only wonder what his reaction would have been to the shenanigans last night. Someone said earlier that the fans have a right to moan and heckle. The right is pretty undeniable but I cannot think of any other form of entertainment where five thousamd people think they can do a better job than the professional paid to do it.
I dont know how long it has been on but I caught a programme on R.H. tonight where they are still debating it! Talk about overkill!

It's only because Hull haven't got a game this week and the RLs finished! We'll be back on the backburner again from next week.

Quoted from barralad

Alan Buckley was far more dismissive of the opinion of fans than Paul Hurst could ever be. It was almost a weekly occurance that he'd get involved in a slanging match with fans in the Main Stand especially in the early days. I can only wonder what his reaction would have been to the shenanigans last night. Someone said earlier that the fans have a right to moan and heckle. The right is pretty undeniable but I cannot think of any other form of entertainment where five thousamd people think they can do a better job than the professional paid to do it.
I dont know how long it has been on but I caught a programme on R.H. tonight where they are still debating it! Talk about overkill!

Agreed. It was on RH Sportstalk tonight. As I said earlier - it's a mountain out of a molehill - both the mistake by Mckeown and everyone's reaction to Hurst's comments. I see the whole thing as no big deal and would rather talk about the performance and move on.

Buckley wasn't very good with the fans was he. The difference being he delivered 3 promotions and 0 relegations so could get away with it.
And for all the praise he now gets, people seem to forget the awful low attendances when he was in charge
They were crap. I started going in 90/91 and even with big away followings, I think our average attendance was under 6k most seasons
So basically, the fans must like the current regime baring in mind how many went against Forest Green

Quoted from barralad

Alan Buckley was far more dismissive of the opinion of fans than Paul Hurst could ever be. It was almost a weekly occurance that he'd get involved in a slanging match with fans in the Main Stand especially in the early days. I can only wonder what his reaction would have been to the shenanigans last night. Someone said earlier that the fans have a right to moan and heckle. The right is pretty undeniable but I cannot think of any other form of entertainment where five thousamd people think they can do a better job than the professional paid to do it.
I dont know how long it has been on but I caught a programme on R.H. tonight where they are still debating it! Talk about overkill!

Could be worse. He's not Des O'Connor be appearing at the Glasgow Empire. ;D

Grimsby is in buckleys heart, was like a fan arguing with a fan, he was very passionate... Hurst is the exact opposite in every way.

Hurst was right to speak out
He must get pi@@ed off with people spouting off behind him especially after such a great performance after such a terrible setback, poor Macca, he gained us a point at Wrexham singlehanded
We need to focus on the positives and I agree in his way PH was reminding us of that in his interview
Well done lads last night lot better performance especially in midfield
Get a result sat and we all know that Cheltenham are only keeping top spot warm for us
Come on Town!!

Quoted from sydney

Hurst was right to speak out
He must get pi@@ed off with people spouting off behind him especially after such a great performance after such a terrible setback, poor Macca, he gained us a point at Wrexham singlehanded
We need to focus on the positives and I agree in his way PH was reminding us of that in his interview
Well done lads last night lot better performance especially in midfield
Get a result sat and we all know that Cheltenham are only keeping top spot warm for us
Come on Town!!

Still think forest green are the big threats

Agree they looked strong tonight and have two fast wingers with an experience Parkin up front  

Quoted from Neilo83

Grimsby is in buckleys heart, was like a fan arguing with a fan, he was very passionate... Hurst is the exact opposite in every way.

Oh, don't talk nonsense.

Buckley wanted his teams to be successful and was arrogant enough to not give a crap what the fans thought because he was sure he was right. He generally was, as well and he was obviously happy to tell anybody shouting at him from the stands that he thought they were an idiot.

Hurst doesn't seem as arrogant as Buckley but seems to have similar self confidence. Probably a good trait for a manager.

Now, he just needs to win us a couple of promotions. ;)

Quoted from Maringer

He generally was

My single only complaint I had against Buckley was his insistence in playing Adam Buckley over Kingsley Black

Quoted from Maringer

Oh, don't talk nonsense.

Buckley wanted his teams to be successful and was arrogant enough to not give a crap what the fans thought because he was sure he was right. He generally was, as well and he was obviously happy to tell anybody shouting at him from the stands that he thought they were an idiot.

Hurst doesn't seem as arrogant as Buckley but seems to have similar self confidence. Probably a good trait for a manager.

Now, he just needs to win us a couple of promotions. ;)

Believe me i'm not a hurst hater, i'd like nothing more then for him to succeed here as manager, he's young and clearly wants to be here, at the minute though i just dont think he's capable of taking us to the next level.. Hopefully he'll prove me wrong.

Quoted from ginnywings

I sat in the Main Stand for a while last season and the abuse he gets from some in there is horrendous. Hard for him to ignore when they are right behind him but i'm afraid it goes with the territory as some people think they have a right to hurl abuse. I know a lot of it is frustration but i get frustrated and don't feel the need to shout crap at the top of my lungs to players and the management.

Reminds me of the incident when Harry Redknapp was getting stick from a fan so sent him on as a sub in a pre-season friendly to see if "he could do any better"

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2006/nov/22/theknowledge.sport