2 up at Man City and the better side, just going to show that it's not all about budgets. Mahrez, who cost peanuts compared to City players has just scored a wonderful goal and makes the 50 million pound Sterling look like a pub player. Wonderful stuff.

Pub player is a little demeaning mate  ;)

3-0 now

Quoted from chaos33

Pub player is a little demeaning mate  ;)

;D Slipped up there didn't i ?

3-0 I'm only a town supporter and I don't  in supporting other clubs but for this season Im making an exception and routing for Leicester City. I kind of reminds me of town in the old division 1 well above their means but making a statement.

Based on this season and having done what he's done it wouldn't surprise me if Chelsea try and get Claudio back as manager. If that's the case I'll go for next season in the premiershite

Pep to city (obviously) Mourinho to Man U, Claudio Ranieri back to Chelsea.

When you look at Vardy shredding premier defences, the shock is that he only got 30 for Fleetwood in the conference

Great news if you backed Leicester at 2000/1 to win the league  :)

Leicester clear favourites now with the bookies. Massive day. The best team in the league no doubt.

How much did you put on rob?? And they are just incredible, amazing team spirit, and in vardy/mahrez/okazaki they have an attacking threat with everything. Really hope they do it

Don't they still owe us money?

Quoted from Hagrid

How much did you put on rob?? And they are just incredible, amazing team spirit, and in vardy/mahrez/okazaki they have an attacking threat with everything. Really hope they do it

I had a fiver on at 2000/1, also topped up at lesser odds too (750/1 and 200/1)

Quoted from ginnywings

;D Slipped up there didn't i ?

Lol

Loved watching that today, cant get better than the big spenders getting shown up.

Quoted from GrimRob

I had a fiver on at 2000/1, also topped up at lesser odds too (750/1 and 200/1)

Drinks are on you then Rob!

Good on Leicester, it makes a refreshing change to see one of the "lesser" teams having a genuine chance.

Quoted from GrimRob

Great news if you backed Leicester at 2000/1 to win the league  :)

I put 20 spots on them at 20/1 fingers crossed !

I was feeling all smug about 33-1 until I saw robs post :-/

Fcuk Leicester and any other club who owed us money and didn't pay up.

By the fishy standards, Leicester have already won the premier league, just like Cheltenham have.

I can't bring myself to like or route for Leicester purely because of the fact that I can't stand that girl private Jamie Vardy!!

Quoted from Mighty_Mariner

I can't bring myself to like or route for Leicester purely because of the fact that I can't stand that girl private Jamie Vardy!!

Last time he scored against us, for some reason celebrated in our technical area.

Not bad for a club who deliberately went in admin  30 million in debt.

James Vardy is a breath of fresh air. English in a sea of over paid foreigners.

Quoted from Mariner Ronnie

Last time he scored against us, for some reason celebrated in our technical area.

One of the very reasons I don't like him. Think that was something to do with a previous comment Rob Scott had made about Vardy not having the ability to make it professionally. ... or something along those lines!

Quoted from Mighty_Mariner

One of the very reasons I don't like him. Think that was something to do with a previous comment Rob Scott had made about Vardy not having the ability to make it professionally. ... or something along those lines!

Goes to show that for all Rob Scott's questionable personality traits, he really knows his stuff when it comes to spotting a player

Quoted from MeanwoodMariner

Goes to show that for all Rob Scott's questionable personality traits, he really knows his stuff when it comes to spotting a player

I wonder if he's sent him one of his England caps.  :)

I'd love Leicester to win the league. I lived in Leicester for 18 months when I was young.

I live in Leicester and could not think of anything worse than them winning the league. I am totally p off with all this Jamie vardie having a party balls, you hear it in just about every pub in the area.

Can't believe some of the misery guts on here. Leicester gives hope to supporters of every small team, that one day they can achieve the impossible.

I agree Woking and a tare chance to ruffle the feathers of the big boys and break up their monopoly of the game. I honestly thought we'd never see another team than the big money few every win it it again in my life time... or at least until it all implodes or changes fundamentally somehow.

Not keen on Leicester per se but rooting want them to do it just for the shock waves. Like Woking said, a glimmer of hope for smaller teams -you know, like the good old days when there was a bit more of a level playing field.

Maybe one day we could do a Bournemouth... and a Bournemouth could do a Leicester? Extremely unlikely like getting struck by lightning unlikely but before I would have said totally impossible.

Quoted from ginnywings

2 up at Man City and the better side, just going to show that it's not all about budgets. Mahrez, who cost peanuts compared to City players has just scored a wonderful goal and makes the 50 million pound Sterling look like a pub player. Wonderful stuff.

Saw it on Match Of The Day Ginny.They done a breakdown of the whole team which costed just 22.5 million.

Quoted from Freemoash88

Based on this season and having done what he's done it wouldn't surprise me if Chelsea try and get Claudio back as manager..

I can see why Ranieri has done well .Of all the managers I have seen interviewed he for me comes across as the most likable.

Has Ranieri done a lot? Pearson got that team off and running this time last season when they looked doomed. It was a remarkable turnaround and i don't think there has been much change in style or personnel since then.

Quoted from ginnywings

Has Ranieri done a lot? Pearson got that team off and running this time last season when they looked doomed. It was a remarkable turnaround and i don't think there has been much change in style or personnel since then.

Probably has sustained it.I know from reading Hasslebanks book that he use to love a tinker and this upset some players.Looks like may have changed his style as of the teams in the prem Leicester is one of the most settled this season

Yes ginny i would say after 30 games and getting leicester top of the premier league he has done alot..

Quoted from WokingMariner

Can't believe some of the misery guts on here. Leicester gives hope to supporters of every small team, that one day they can achieve the impossible.

This must be the most sensible post on this subject! Most fans on this site bemoan how the " big clubs " monopolise the Premiersh*t and other clubs can't compete. Then along comes Leicester and punches a great hole in that argument but these same fans then begrudge them their success because 1 player plays for them - fu**ing unbelievable !!!

Quoted from jonnyboy82

Yes ginny i would say after 30 games and getting leicester top of the premier league he has done alot..

I don't disagree with that view but it has to be said that they were on title winning form at the end of last season, only they were starting from the bottom of the league. Pearson seems to be the forgotten man but he mostly built that side. Ranieri is doing a good job though i admit.

I agree with ginny, it's Pearson's team

Pearson did a good job keeping then up last year going on that run in the latter part of the season. But there's no doubt in my mind he wouldn't have been capable of taking them on to them level that Ranieri has this season.

Exactly one year ago today, Leicester were still bottom. They remained bottom of the league for a while after that too. They were still bottom as the season entered April, after 29 matches. They won the first game in April after picking up just 2 points in 8 games previously. So their purple patch of "title-winning" form was only for their last 9 games.

This season they top the league with only 2 defeats after  25 games. A much harder proposition to maintain this form for 25 games than 9 games, especially when it's from the start of the season when everyone has something to play for (as opposed to April/May when half the league are safe but have no chance of top 4).

Mahrez and Vardy are on a different level this season to what they were under Pearson. And despite them being a counter attacking team, they are more positive than under Pearson who was always the cautious type.

Quoted from Mariner Ronnie

I agree with ginny, it's Pearson's team

Don't agree, Mahrez is playing with far more freedom under Ranieri plus Ranieri signed the two players that have allowed that to happen, namely Okazaki and the unsung hero that is Kante.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Don't agree, Mahrez is playing with far more freedom under Ranieri plus Ranieri signed the two players that have allowed that to happen, namely Okazaki and the unsung hero that is Kante.

A team is made up of 11 players not 2. The point is that that team was using player power to oust Pearson.

Leicester are doing this well because they have 8/9/10 players all playing at or above their abilities every game for the last few months. Huth for instance has been tremendous but he might be found lacking next year if other players get injured. Vardy looks great, he could go further but he might also have reached his peak.

Ranieri reminds me of George Kerr. If it works, don't fix it. He used to be tinker man but he's matured.

The team though is basically the Pearson bunch. He's a good picker of players. He was good at finding bargains but he wasn't afraid to splash the cash either and his budget in the Championship was not the biggest. Not many would have paid £1m for An ex-non league striker at his age or risked £400k on an unknown from Le Havre. There's a moral in that somewhere.

Quoted from Mariner Ronnie

A team is made up of 11 players not 2. The point is that that team was using player power to oust Pearson.

He changed the flipping system! Mahrez was playing wide in a midfield 4 under Pearson - now playing right side of a front 3, have you ever watched Leicester?

The point i am trying to make is that foreign is often seen as better and Ranieri is getting a lot of plaudits (rightly so) but Pearson did a grand job and seems to be the forgotten man in all this. He was often portrayed as a bit strange by the media. I'd just like to see more home grown players and managers in the leagues.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

Leicester are doing this well because they have 8/9/10 players all playing at or above their abilities every game for the last few months. Huth for instance has been tremendous but he might be found lacking next year if other players get injured. Vardy looks great, he could go further but he might also have reached his peak.

Ranieri reminds me of George Kerr. If it works, don't fix it. He used to be tinker man but he's matured.

The team though is basically the Pearson bunch. He's a good picker of players. He was good at finding bargains but he wasn't afraid to splash the cash either and his budget in the Championship was not the biggest. Not many would have paid £1m for An ex-non league striker at his age or risked £400k on an unknown from Le Havre. There's a moral in that somewhere.

What I liked was how Shearer and Wright on match of the day last night were amazed at what this Leicester side were doing on a minimal budget.I know Shearer equated this Leicester side to the Blackburn side in which he played in 92 that took the title but this is another level.Blackburn were funded by a millionaire this Leicester side has just been funded on passion and work ethic.I love it and I hope they go on and win it

Quoted from ginnywings

The point i am trying to make is that foreign is often seen as better and Ranieri is getting a lot of plaudits (rightly so) but Pearson did a grand job and seems to be the forgotten man in all this. He was often portrayed as a bit strange by the media. I'd just like to see more home grown players and managers in the leagues.

Wouldn't we all Ginny, but the fact is that there are players like Mahrez and Kante who are a lot cheaper than their more lauded peers who are no better eg Sterling, Henderson, Wilshere to name but a few.

Pearson did OK? Would he have made them anything other than a relegation team? I doubt it. Interestingly with all the jobs that have been flying around since his departure and he's not had a sniff.

Whatever has happened at Leicester is good for the real fans but I suspect in the echelons of the premier league it's giving them a headache. Champions or not, you can't sell Leicester v Stoke to foreign markets, they simply aren't interested. Whether that's a good thing is debatable but to the top flight the foreign market is where the cash is.

And to think...if Pearson's lad hadn't poked a Thai hooker and been racist to her Leicester would be fighting a relegation battle, not favourites for the title...

Quoted from aldi_01

Pearson did OK? Would he have made them anything other than a relegation team? I doubt it. Interestingly with all the jobs that have been flying around since his departure and he's not had a sniff.

Whatever has happened at Leicester is good for the real fans but I suspect in the echelons of the premier league it's giving them a headache. Champions or not, you can't sell Leicester v Stoke to foreign markets, they simply aren't interested. Whether that's a good thing is debatable but to the top flight the foreign market is where the cash is.

And to think...if Pearson's lad hadn't poked a Thai hooker and been racist to her Leicester would be fighting a relegation battle, not favourites for the title...

That's a massive assumption.

Quoted from Rick12

What I liked was how Shearer and Wright on match of the day last night were amazed at what this Leicester side were doing on a minimal budget.I know Shearer equated this Leicester side to the Blackburn side in which he played in 92 that took the title but this is another level.Blackburn were funded by a millionaire this Leicester side has just been funded on passion and work ethic.I love it and I hope they go on and win it

Aren't the Leicester side funded by passion, work ethic and a Thai billionaire?

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

Aren't the Leicester side funded by passion, work ethic and a Thai billionaire?

Probably but not to the same extent as Blackburn were

Quoted from Rick12

Probably but not to the same extent as Blackburn were

Ahhh Jackk Walkerasinhe, that famous Thai billionaire.

I once drove through Leicester and I don't give a toss either way.

I live in Leicester, pass the stadium every other day and cant stand them. Horrible club, even worse City!
Amazed by all the positive comments about them. Whilst Town went into free fall after the ITV thing, they had a lot of debt written off. They should have dropped a couple of leagues similar to Leeds? / Luton. If you were to dislike any club it should be them.
It wasn't long ago that they were struggling to get 15k to games - the city is 10times the size of Grimsby. Kids were walking around with Chelsea tops on all over. You can half expect it with us but Leicester. As soon as they won promotion you wouldn't have been able to get a season ticket let alone a ticket
When Vardy was signed he was excrement according to their fans. Now he's one of their own.
I really cant stand em - hope Spurs or Arsenal beat them. That said, I love Ranieri. Shame Chelsea didn't keep him

Quoted from nightrider

I live in Leicester, pass the stadium every other day and cant stand them. Horrible club, even worse City!
Amazed by all the positive comments about them. Whilst Town went into free fall after the ITV thing, they had a lot of debt written off. They should have dropped a couple of leagues similar to Leeds? / Luton. If you were to dislike any club it should be them.
It wasn't long ago that they were struggling to get 15k to games - the city is 10times the size of Grimsby. Kids were walking around with Chelsea tops on all over. You can half expect it with us but Leicester. As soon as they won promotion you wouldn't have been able to get a season ticket let alone a ticket
When Vardy was signed he was excrement according to their fans. Now he's one of their own.
I really cant stand em - hope Spurs or Arsenal beat them. That said, I love Ranieri. Shame Chelsea didn't keep him

I totally get what you are saying but how long do you hold a grudge against them? Is the hierarchy still there that made that decision and if it was done within the rules, then it is the rules that are wrong. The points deduction punishment was implemented as a result of Leicester getting promoted to the Prem while in admin as a result of the complaints received from other clubs after the event. Although it may leave a bad taste in the mouth, they must have operated within the rules of the league. Where did playing fair get us?

I'll be holding a grudge till my death, at the very least!
I'd like Spurs to win it

I can see how some would like Leicester to ruffle the feathers of the big boys but those people have short memories.

Leicester / Pompey and others owed us money and didn't pay, I can never wish anyone good luck who has done us wrong.

We were one of the smallest clubs in the then Championship and the financial burden on us could have been eased if those clubs had honoured those payments.  They basically flicked the V's at us instead of paying what we were due.

We honoured our debts.

Quoted from Marinerz93

I can see how some would like Leicester to ruffle the feathers of the big boys but those people have short memories.

Leicester / Pompey and others owed us money and didn't pay, I can never wish anyone good luck who has done us wrong.

We were one of the smallest clubs in the then Championship and the financial burden on us could have been eased if those clubs had honoured those payments.  They basically flicked the V's at us instead of paying what we were due.

We honoured our debts.

I have no recollection of this. Not saying you are wrong but why did they and others owe us money? I never used to take notice of anything other than the football, so don't really recall anything about finances from the time. Not so much a short memory as no memory.

Quoted from Marinerz93

We were one of the smallest clubs in the then Championship and the financial burden on us could have been eased if those clubs had honoured those payments.  They basically flicked the V's at us instead of paying what we were due.

We honoured our debts.

Honest question....how did they owe us money?

Leicester have kept the same starting eleven for their last 5 matches.  Not sure what this says but they have not done too bad have they?

Quoted from ginnywings

I have no recollection of this. Not saying you are wrong but why did they and others owe us money? I never used to take notice of anything other than the football, so don't really recall anything about finances from the time. Not so much a short memory as no memory.

£100k Parachute payments when Portsmouth, Leicester and Wolves got promoted to the Prem whilst Town, Wednesday and Brighton were relegated to what is now League 1 (old money league 3).

As far as I can remember none of them have paid up, I will hold my hands up if proven wrong.

Quoted from TownSNAFU5

Leicester have kept the same starting eleven for their last 5 matches.  Not sure what this says but they have not done too bad have they?

Maybe they've stumbled upon a tactic hitherto undiscovered of sticking to the same team.

As to whether we should hate them I am sure some people keep mental grudge lists alongside dozens of clubs to reel out as injustices committed against us in the distant past. Anything to avoid praising or even vaguely liking another side.

Personally I think the Premier League has been fantastic this season and a huge change over weekends of Super Sundays comprising endless matches between the same old sides.

Quoted from nightrider

I live in Leicester, pass the stadium every other day and cant stand them. Horrible club, even worse City!
Amazed by all the positive comments about them. Whilst Town went into free fall after the ITV thing, they had a lot of debt written off. They should have dropped a couple of leagues similar to Leeds? / Luton. If you were to dislike any club it should be them.
It wasn't long ago that they were struggling to get 15k to games - the city is 10times the size of Grimsby. Kids were walking around with Chelsea tops on all over. You can half expect it with us but Leicester. As soon as they won promotion you wouldn't have been able to get a season ticket let alone a ticket
When Vardy was signed he was excrement according to their fans. Now he's one of their own.
I really cant stand em - hope Spurs or Arsenal beat them. That said, I love Ranieri. Shame Chelsea didn't keep him

I live in Leicester too, and my experience is the complete opposite.

The payments and administration were in a different life, I don't agree with it but hey ho.  It's a bit like saying you are not going to  town game while Fenty is at the club....and then still not going, either after he has left or when we are in the Premiership, things change life moves on.

I've been saying to my GTFC mates for a while that leicester is going places, the Thai owners are putting money in, not necessarily straight into the team, spending silly money on messi etc but they are generally doing the right things right.  

The training ground, which I live next to, has been massively revamped, the stadium despite being newish has been improved, the way the club is run has been premiership for a few good seasons before they got promoted.  A important thing the Thai owners has brought appears to have been business contacts, sponsors changed, interest in the club abroad grew, overall the club grew.  They appear real nice guys too.  I just hope they keep getting what they want from the club, and it matches what the fans want, and their interest doesn't wain.  The club was still in debt for the building of the ground, the debt has now been bought by the owners, so if things go bad.....

Leicester by the way is a fine city, other than it's mayor who is hell bent on turning it into one big traffic jam, not an amazing city but a damn site better than some, and unfortunately a huge amount better than home :(

The stadium is a simple build but it works it's great and the fans have always been a passionate lot.  Of course there are CHelski tops, and Barca tops etc.around, blame Sky for that, but I can guarantee you they have massively become outnumbered by leicester shirts, in the same way as GTFC going to Wembley did for town for a week or two.

The bubble will burst but at least they are having their bubble and the scum are lagging behind.

It's just a shame Tottenham doing well is happening in the same season.

Anyone old enough now to remember it, Town v Southampton FA Cup 1978, I think second replay ( Filbert Street Leicester City) I was there...UTM

Quoted from Marinerz93

£100k Parachute payments when Portsmouth, Leicester and Wolves got promoted to the Prem whilst Town, Wednesday and Brighton were relegated to what is now League 1 (old money league 3).

As far as I can remember none of them have paid up, I will hold my hands up if proven wrong.

Nope, still don't get it. Are you saying that those clubs were supposed to give us money in the form of parachute payments and if so, is it not the league who do that sort of thing?

Quoted from ginnywings

Nope, still don't get it. Are you saying that those clubs were supposed to give us money in the form of parachute payments and if so, is it not the league who do that sort of thing?

It was agreed at the time by all chairman at championship level before teams got promoted or relegated.

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/parachute-payment-fails-to-open-for-wednesday-1-2519409

Not only do they owe us money but didn't they owe a local company who built the stadium £6million??

Probably a few town fans there lost jobs

Quoted from Marinerz93

It was agreed at the time by all chairman at championship level before teams got promoted or relegated.

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/parachute-payment-fails-to-open-for-wednesday-1-2519409

Thanks for the link. I wasn't aware of that.

Quoted from Marinerz93

It was agreed at the time by all chairman at championship level before teams got promoted or relegated.

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/parachute-payment-fails-to-open-for-wednesday-1-2519409

The b@stards.

Quoted from Marinerz93

It was agreed at the time by all chairman at championship level before teams got promoted or relegated.

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/parachute-payment-fails-to-open-for-wednesday-1-2519409

Well I never knew this! I don't give a toss about them now! 😡

Quoted from Henryscat

Not only do they owe us money but didn't they owe a local company who built the stadium £6million??

Probably a few town fans there lost jobs

£7 million I think it was unless other admin debt was piled on top.

Quoted from ginnywings

Thanks for the link. I wasn't aware of that.

Ginny, like I said, I can't remember any of them paying up, and I am more than willing to hold my hands up if proven wrong.

Since the turn of the century the following clubs have gone into administration and either remained at the same playing level or gone onto 'better' themselves since;

Hull
QPR
Bradford
Barnsley
Leicester
Port Vale
York
Derby
Ipswich
Bradford (again)
Cambridge
Rotherham
Crawley
Leeds
Luton
Bournemouth
Rotherham
Halifax
Southampton
Chester
Crystal Palace
Port Vale (again)
Coventry.


Eight of which are either in or have been in the Premiership since going into administration.

Like it or not the footballing system screwed us over, we chose to be honourable and hang onto the martyrdom that hung round our neck as we've plummeted through the leagues and into the Conference.   We had the same option of going into administration like those clubs and writing off our debts.  We opted not to.  None of those clubs broke the law, they operated within a very loose piece of legislation that was probably written on the back of a packet of cigarettes.  More fool us for being honourable.  

I hate the way the aforementioned clubs have written off their debts for a penny in the pound, forced local companies to go under whilst signing players on stupid contracts again and to top it all off we've been forced to watch from afar comfortable in the knowledge we've paid our debts but have had to sell our silver at every opportunity.

Fact of the matter is that the current Leicester regime had intercourse all to do with their previous reckless spending, just like the current regime at Chester had nothing to do with the absolute mess created by their previous owner Stephen Vaughan. Do we begrudge Chester their rebirth and relative success because they were run by a crook of a chairman previously?  Of course we don't.

As much as the old Leicester and old Portsmouth's of the world screwed us over with their shady dealings, the Premier League has shafted over clubs at this level and even above a hundred times over.  If Leicester winning the league and throwing a big middle finger to the establishment and their ability to market the 'EPL' is what it takes, then bring it on!  

Leicester have at least made the league interesting to watch this year.  As for Vardy, yeah he's an obnoxious twit and if you saw him in the street you would love to give him a slap.  But to see him ruffle the feathers of the pampered Premier League posers is a joy.  The way he celebrated against Town?  Maybe Rob Scott should have kept his gob shut, not for the first time either.   Had Mickey Mellon slated Hearn before that game and Hearn had scored the winner before celebrating in front of him, the vast majority of us would have grinned from ear to ear.    Vardy is incredible at the minute and a beacon of hope that the top players don't have to come exclusively from the Premier League Academy systems.  

Quoted from diehardmariner

Since the turn of the century the following clubs have gone into administration and either remained at the same playing level or gone onto 'better' themselves since;

Hull
QPR
Bradford
Barnsley
Leicester
Port Vale
York
Derby
Ipswich
Bradford (again)
Cambridge
Rotherham
Crawley
Leeds
Luton
Bournemouth
Rotherham
Halifax
Southampton
Chester
Crystal Palace
Port Vale (again)
Coventry.


Eight of which are either in or have been in the Premiership since going into administration.

Like it or not the footballing system screwed us over, we chose to be honourable and hang onto the martyrdom that hung round our neck as we've plummeted through the leagues and into the Conference.   We had the same option of going into administration like those clubs and writing off our debts.  We opted not to.  None of those clubs broke the law, they operated within a very loose piece of legislation that was probably written on the back of a packet of cigarettes.  More fool us for being honourable.  

I hate the way the aforementioned clubs have written off their debts for a penny in the pound, forced local companies to go under whilst signing players on stupid contracts again and to top it all off we've been forced to watch from afar comfortable in the knowledge we've paid our debts but have had to sell our silver at every opportunity.

Fact of the matter is that the current Leicester regime had intercourse all to do with their previous reckless spending, just like the current regime at Chester had nothing to do with the absolute mess created by their previous owner Stephen Vaughan. Do we begrudge Chester their rebirth and relative success because they were run by a crook of a chairman previously?  Of course we don't.

As much as the old Leicester and old Portsmouth's of the world screwed us over with their shady dealings, the Premier League has shafted over clubs at this level and even above a hundred times over.  If Leicester winning the league and throwing a big middle finger to the establishment and their ability to market the 'EPL' is what it takes, then bring it on!  

Leicester have at least made the league interesting to watch this year.  As for Vardy, yeah he's an obnoxious twit and if you saw him in the street you would love to give him a slap.  But to see him ruffle the feathers of the pampered Premier League posers is a joy.  The way he celebrated against Town?  Maybe Rob Scott should have kept his gob shut, not for the first time either.   Had Mickey Mellon slated Hearn before that game and Hearn had scored the winner before celebrating in front of him, the vast majority of us would have grinned from ear to ear.    Vardy is incredible at the minute and a beacon of hope that the top players don't have to come exclusively from the Premier League Academy systems.  

Spot on, great post

exactly post.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Since the turn of the century the following clubs have gone into administration and either remained at the same playing level or gone onto 'better' themselves since;

Hull
QPR
Bradford
Barnsley
Leicester
Port Vale
York
Derby
Ipswich
Bradford (again)
Cambridge
Rotherham
Crawley
Leeds
Luton
Bournemouth
Rotherham
Halifax
Southampton
Chester
Crystal Palace
Port Vale (again)
Coventry.


Eight of which are either in or have been in the Premiership since going into administration.

Like it or not the footballing system screwed us over, we chose to be honourable and hang onto the martyrdom that hung round our neck as we've plummeted through the leagues and into the Conference.   We had the same option of going into administration like those clubs and writing off our debts.  We opted not to.  None of those clubs broke the law, they operated within a very loose piece of legislation that was probably written on the back of a packet of cigarettes.  More fool us for being honourable.  

I hate the way the aforementioned clubs have written off their debts for a penny in the pound, forced local companies to go under whilst signing players on stupid contracts again and to top it all off we've been forced to watch from afar comfortable in the knowledge we've paid our debts but have had to sell our silver at every opportunity.

Fact of the matter is that the current Leicester regime had intercourse all to do with their previous reckless spending, just like the current regime at Chester had nothing to do with the absolute mess created by their previous owner Stephen Vaughan. Do we begrudge Chester their rebirth and relative success because they were run by a crook of a chairman previously?  Of course we don't.

As much as the old Leicester and old Portsmouth's of the world screwed us over with their shady dealings, the Premier League has shafted over clubs at this level and even above a hundred times over.  If Leicester winning the league and throwing a big middle finger to the establishment and their ability to market the 'EPL' is what it takes, then bring it on!  

Leicester have at least made the league interesting to watch this year.  As for Vardy, yeah he's an obnoxious twit and if you saw him in the street you would love to give him a slap.  But to see him ruffle the feathers of the pampered Premier League posers is a joy.  The way he celebrated against Town?  Maybe Rob Scott should have kept his gob shut, not for the first time either.   Had Mickey Mellon slated Hearn before that game and Hearn had scored the winner before celebrating in front of him, the vast majority of us would have grinned from ear to ear.    Vardy is incredible at the minute and a beacon of hope that the top players don't have to come exclusively from the Premier League Academy systems.  

A great post and certainly gives Leicester's rebirth  a new spin, however a large part of me still bears a grudge at how easily a lot of those clubs opted for admin and then all of a sudden someone came into save them. The ones that grip the most are serial offenders like Rovrum.

Quoted from Marinerz93

A great post and certainly gives Leicester's rebirth  a new spin, however a large part of me still bears a grudge at how easily a lot of those clubs opted for admin and then all of a sudden someone came into save them. The ones that grip the most are serial offenders like Rovrum.

But the point is in your statement " then all of a sudden someone came in to save them". The majority of these clubs were saleable in as much as their location, fan base or future prospects made them so. It has been mentioned that we should have gone into administration and everything would have been rosy! This course of action is a huge gamble and is dependant on somebody coming in with the best interests of the club at heart - not always that simple.

But, IF we had gone into admin, at the time, would we have fallen as far as we have? Or would we have dropped and rebuilt?

Quoted from rancido

But the point is in your statement " then all of a sudden someone came in to save them". The majority of these clubs were saleable in as much as their location, fan base or future prospects made them so. It has been mentioned that we should have gone into administration and everything would have been rosy! This course of action is a huge gamble and is dependant on somebody coming in with the best interests of the club at heart - not always that simple.

Point is they could have been saved before admin but held out, it's not only the tax payers who lost out but also local businesses, that's what really grips me.

Do you really believe the likes of Rovrum and York were saleable, had sufficient fan base more than what Town could have had?

The whole set up around football clubs and admin stinks, and it cost us points whilst some of those clubs were operating well beyond admin.

Remember it well but we made a massive mistake as Judge Rinder points out always,always get stuff in writing. That "gentleman's agreement" about the parachute payment was never going to happen. There is no honour in football most chairman are hard faced business men that did not become millionaire by being Mr Nice Guys. Pompey stuck two fingers up to us just like Lecester,Bournmouth et-al have done through writing debt off through the admin route.
Feck um All     UTM.

Die hard Mariner that was one hell of a post and summed things up exactly how it happened well said.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Since the turn of the century the following clubs have gone into administration and either remained at the same playing level or gone onto 'better' themselves since;

Hull
QPR
Bradford
Barnsley
Leicester
Port Vale
York
Derby
Ipswich
Bradford (again)
Cambridge
Rotherham
Crawley
Leeds
Luton
Bournemouth
Rotherham
Halifax
Southampton
Chester
Crystal Palace
Port Vale (again)
Coventry.


Eight of which are either in or have been in the Premiership since going into administration.

Like it or not the footballing system screwed us over, we chose to be honourable and hang onto the martyrdom that hung round our neck as we've plummeted through the leagues and into the Conference.   We had the same option of going into administration like those clubs and writing off our debts.  We opted not to.  None of those clubs broke the law, they operated within a very loose piece of legislation that was probably written on the back of a packet of cigarettes.  More fool us for being honourable.  

I hate the way the aforementioned clubs have written off their debts for a penny in the pound, forced local companies to go under whilst signing players on stupid contracts again and to top it all off we've been forced to watch from afar comfortable in the knowledge we've paid our debts but have had to sell our silver at every opportunity.

Fact of the matter is that the current Leicester regime had intercourse all to do with their previous reckless spending, just like the current regime at Chester had nothing to do with the absolute mess created by their previous owner Stephen Vaughan. Do we begrudge Chester their rebirth and relative success because they were run by a crook of a chairman previously?  Of course we don't.

As much as the old Leicester and old Portsmouth's of the world screwed us over with their shady dealings, the Premier League has shafted over clubs at this level and even above a hundred times over.  If Leicester winning the league and throwing a big middle finger to the establishment and their ability to market the 'EPL' is what it takes, then bring it on!  

Leicester have at least made the league interesting to watch this year.  As for Vardy, yeah he's an obnoxious twit and if you saw him in the street you would love to give him a slap.  But to see him ruffle the feathers of the pampered Premier League posers is a joy.  The way he celebrated against Town?  Maybe Rob Scott should have kept his gob shut, not for the first time either.   Had Mickey Mellon slated Hearn before that game and Hearn had scored the winner before celebrating in front of him, the vast majority of us would have grinned from ear to ear.    Vardy is incredible at the minute and a beacon of hope that the top players don't have to come exclusively from the Premier League Academy systems.  

I don't think you can compare Leicester with Chester, Chester are a completely new club and had to re-start from the lowest level that the F.A. insisted on.

Quoted from arryarryarry

I don't think you can compare Leicester with Chester, Chester are a completely new club and had to re-start from the lowest level that the F.A. insisted on.

Ditto Halifax.

Hang on a minute...

I was under the impression that the reasons we didn't go into admin was because the majority of the debt we had was "football related" and therefore not subject to the same regulations that befell those that owed, for example, the printers of the programmes or whoever.

We would not have benefited in any way from going into administration. We'd still have owed the same amount of money and had a points reduction anyway.

I may have the details backwards but I distinctly recall there being explaining statements to that effect not that long ago from Mr F.

Admin was never a viable option for us.

Quoted from arryarryarry

I don't think you can compare Leicester with Chester, Chester are a completely new club and had to re-start from the lowest level that the F.A. insisted on.

That they did.  But they still left local businesses out of pocket when they went under, albeit in a previous guise, ultimately to come back with a clean slate.  Six years on from when they went under, they're comfortably at the level they were wound up at.  The point was Town didn't go into administration and within six years we had dropped from Championship to Conference.  

I wasn't necessarily comparing teams who have gone into administration, more highlighting that the majority of clubs who have gone down that route have come back in a better position.

Quoted from diehardmariner

That they did.  But they still left local businesses out of pocket when they went under, albeit in a previous guise, ultimately to come back with a clean slate.  Six years on from when they went under, they're comfortably at the level they were wound up at.  The point was Town didn't go into administration and within six years we had dropped from Championship to Conference.  

I wasn't necessarily comparing teams who have gone into administration, more highlighting that the majority of clubs who have gone down that route have come back in a better position.

I disagree, the current Chester are not the previous club so they didn't "come back", whereas Leicester City are.

The issue is that Leicester City went into administration, kept their league status but now with new owners so if they did not pay any of that £100,000 or any of their debts it is still the same club.

Whereas Chester are a completely new club with a different name.

I knew I'd read it somewhere.
http://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/Grimsby-Town-Administration-option-Fleming/story-13732049-detail/story.html

Quoted from Biccys

I knew I'd read it somewhere.
http://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/Grimsby-Town-Administration-option-Fleming/story-13732049-detail/story.html

I was searching for that yesterday as i also had it in the back of my mind that administration wasn't an option for us.

At least we are still chugging along but i feel we have now done our penance and it's time for the board to get us back in the league. The fans are doing their bit.

Quoted from arryarryarry

I disagree, the current Chester are not the previous club so they didn't "come back", whereas Leicester City are.

The issue is that Leicester City went into administration, kept their league status but now with new owners so if they did not pay any of that £100,000 or any of their debts it is still the same club.

Whereas Chester are a completely new club with a different name.

They started three, four levels below where they ended?  Stadium already in place which was leased back to them straight away, fan base already in existence...it took them four seasons to get back to the Conference and no doubt with a greater financial standing.  

Without shadow of a doubt, the Leicester and Crystal Palace's of the world have come out of administration with far more benefits than Chester.  I'm not denying that.  But Chester (City or FC, whichever you want to call them), went into administration and came out the other side in a better place.   Now don't get me wrong, I'm delighted that the fans of Chester got their club back from the grasp of Stephen Vaughan.

Quoted from diehardmariner

They started three, four levels below where they ended?  Stadium already in place which was leased back to them straight away, fan base already in existence...it took them four seasons to get back to the Conference and no doubt with a greater financial standing.  

Without shadow of a doubt, the Leicester and Crystal Palace's of the world have come out of administration with far more benefits than Chester.  I'm not denying that.  But Chester (City or FC, whichever you want to call them), went into administration and came out the other side in a better place.   Now don't get me wrong, I'm delighted that the fans of Chester got their club back from the grasp of Stephen Vaughan.

I'm trying not to be too pedantic here and probably failing but most of the clubs you listed are still the same club as they were before they entered administration, so they can still be blamed for the debts they left.

Chester City went into administration twice in 1998 and 2009 but were actually wound up on the 10th March 2010. A new club Chester FC were founded, they may play at the same stadium (they don't own it) they may have the same fans but they are a different entity and could not be blamed for any previous debts.

I think we're both splitting hairs here needlessly.

Shall we just agree to disagree? :)

The bookies are going to get a caning if Leicester win

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/493113/bookmakers-lose-millions-Ladbrokes-Coral-if-Leicester-win-premier-league-funny-bets

Quoted from GrimRob

The bookies are going to get a caning if Leicester win

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/493113/bookmakers-lose-millions-Ladbrokes-Coral-if-Leicester-win-premier-league-funny-bets

And how many of those millions will be heading your way Rob?  :)

Quoted from Marinerz93

Point is they could have been saved before admin but held out, it's not only the tax payers who lost out but also local businesses, that's what really grips me.

Do you really believe the likes of Rovrum and York were saleable, had sufficient fan base more than what Town could have had?

The whole set up around football clubs and admin stinks, and it cost us points whilst some of those clubs were operating well beyond admin.

If you read my post I said " the majority of those clubs " and not all of them. As for Rovrum , I certainly think their fan base is higher than ours and I would imagine their average home attendance at Championship level would have exceeded ours when we played at that level.

Quoted from Les Brechin

And how many of those millions will be heading your way Rob?  :)

Around 14 grand I keep laying some off so if it happens it will be a bit less

You been offered any cash out options rob?

Quoted from GrimRob

Around 14 grand I keep laying some off so if it happens it will be a bit less

Once Braintree get on the charge you'll be minted!

Quoted from Hagrid

You been offered any cash out options rob?

I lay it myself they give you a crap price with cash outs. If you have the cash lay it yourself on Betfair.

Don't know why anyone would take a cashout (on a long term thing like this)