Waterfall

Pay him off. Paid to clear the cunting ball.

Hurst will get some blame. But we’re 1-0 up with 4 mins to go. Everyone brings on a centre back. Just a shame ours is that useless twit

Absolutely H, he ducked out the way rather chuck his body at the ball!..still blame Hurst though, had the chance to take Carlisle but decided, as he always has, goes defensive!!

Get him ducked off

Shite but I bet he couldn’t believe it when Hurst brought him on. An absolutely disgraceful decision

One of the worst centre backs we’ve ever had. Only slightly better than Matt Heywood due to being slightly more mobile. Can’t believe we’re stuck with him for another year.

Can't see why he got a contract extension

Bad management, we were cruising !

Taxi for hurst and waterfall

Funny how people see things to suit their agenda. They had just missed an open goal so I’m not sure how you could say we were cruising. Tactics were spot on for the vast majority of the game and it’s the first time in ages I remember us dominating in midfield.

shocking use of subs

Quoted from Vance Warner

Funny how people see things to suit their agenda. They had just missed an open goal so I’m not sure how you could say we were cruising. Tactics were spot on for the vast majority of the game and it’s the first time in ages I remember us dominating in midfield.

And then he changed it

Snatching a draw from the jaws of victory.

Well done Hurst and Waterfall.

Quoted from Vance Warner

Funny how people see things to suit their agenda. They had just missed an open goal so I’m not sure how you could say we were cruising. Tactics were spot on for the vast majority of the game and it’s the first time in ages I remember us dominating in midfield.

I didn't know Coke was playing till nearly 30 minutes in.

Quoted from Hagrid

Pay him off. Paid to clear the cunting ball.

Hurst will get some blame. But we’re 1-0 up with 4 mins to go. Everyone brings on a centre back. Just a shame ours is that useless twit

Most other teams that bring on a centre back can defend, we can’t and it’s obvious. Why change things. Why give the momentum to the opposition. It would be nice for us to learn from our mistakes for a change instead of just repeating them.

Ffs Waterfall was on for 2 minutes, it wasn’t great defending but nobody else reacted and it’s dropped straight to their player with zero challenge from anybody else.

There was always gonna be pressure at the end, how often do we see teams do that to us and see it out. Bringing Clifton on was a really good sub and sured us up, we were unfortunate at the end and Waterfall shouldn’t be a target.

Quoted from Hagrid

Pay him off. Paid to clear the cunting ball.

Hurst will get some blame. But we’re 1-0 up with 4 mins to go. Everyone brings on a centre back. Just a shame ours is that useless twit

Can't believe how many people are blaming Hurst. I suppose he gets the blame as the manager but he cant stop the team dropping deeper and deeper. Like someone has said, they had just had a free header saved and missed a sitter. They were putting balls into the box and we were camped in the 18 yard box. Yes the midfield had been on top, but only for 85 minutes, the last 10 was all them pumping balls into the box.

It was an absolute killer blow, but we should have seen them off earlier, we didn't do enough at the other end and it cost us. The decision to bring on an extra defender and waste an extra minute was the right one. Unfortunately it was Waterfall, enough said.

Sad that Mattie is now fourth choice CB.

No we don't dwell, we take a point and move on. Waterfall never been spectacular but only recently become boo boy target. He was actually something of a warrior early 2020 eg. at Scunny.

Quoted from mariner91

One of the worst centre backs we’ve ever had. Only slightly better than Matt Heywood due to being slightly more mobile. Can’t believe we’re stuck with him for another year.

He’s never been a world beater but I don’t think he’s always been bad for us. I think the club can suck the life out of players.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Sad that Mattie is now fourth choice CB.

He’s not good though is he.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

Ffs Waterfall was on for 2 minutes, it wasn’t great defending but nobody else reacted and it’s dropped straight to their player with zero challenge from anybody else.

There was always gonna be pressure at the end, how often do we see teams do that to us and see it out. Bringing Clifton on was a really good sub and sured us up, we were unfortunate at the end and Waterfall shouldn’t be a target.

Could it be that nobody had a frigging clue who they should be marking?

Quoted from Marinerdeano

No we don't dwell, we take a point and move on. Waterfall never been spectacular but only recently become boo boy target. He was actually something of a warrior early 2020 eg. at Scunny.

Exactly, he cannot be faulted for effort too many people just want to find something to blame. I get the sentiment as I felt sick when they scored. We go again and we need stability, new owners and Hurst with some backing would not be a disaster. I actually blame 1. My fishing heritage for locking me into this town /team 2. Joe Waters and Bobby Cumming for making me love the mariners
Note both of the these are my problem not anybody else's. The problem is in the mirror not in one misplaced clearance
Hurst is trying hard and I , for one, am with him utm

Quoted from Zmariner

Exactly, he cannot be faulted for effort too many people just want to find something to blame. I get the sentiment as I felt sick when they scored. We go again and we need stability, new owners and Hurst with some backing would not be a disaster. I actually blame 1. My fishing heritage for locking me into this town /team 2. Joe Waters and Bobby Cumming for making me love the mariners
Note both of the these are my problem not anybody else's. The problem is in the mirror not in one misplaced clearance
Hurst is trying hard and I , for one, am with him utm

Well said

Quoted from mariner91

One of the worst centre backs we’ve ever had. Only slightly better than Matt Heywood due to being slightly more mobile. Can’t believe we’re stuck with him for another year.

I think comparing him to Matt Heywood is pretty unfair, a fridge would have been better than Matt Heywood. Waterfall is very similar to Pollock and that's why that CB partnership failed so badly. Can get a tackle in, can head but isn't particularly fast or athletic. I can't remember Heywood doing any of these things well, he was also not athletic and the slowest player I've ever seen with the turning circle of a Lorry.

Silly comments about pollock/waterfall along with hendrie they was our better players under hollohead hence why waterfall got a new deal , wasn't a great header last night but i didn't see anybody else try to put there head on it , move on to saturday 3 points & all this will be fish & chip paper !!

Quoted from bawarmy

He’s never been a world beater but I don’t think he’s always been bad for us. I think the club can suck the life out of players.

Remember seeing him in a few games in the conference and looked good. Could be a confidence thing as is experiencing the weight of pressure from fans. He's only human and will be affected by things on and off the pitch.

Quoted from Vance Warner

Funny how people see things to suit their agenda. They had just missed an open goal so I’m not sure how you could say we were cruising. Tactics were spot on for the vast majority of the game and it’s the first time in ages I remember us dominating in midfield.

spot on

when  ever I hear his name Waterfall I fear the worst. Time after time mistakes lack of pace  bad decision costing Town goals, making a constant recipe for disaster I know we can't  blame one player for our dilemma but it's constant  

Quoted from LouthMariner

Can't believe how many people are blaming Hurst. I suppose he gets the blame as the manager but he cant stop the team dropping deeper and deeper. Like someone has said, they had just had a free header saved and missed a sitter. They were putting balls into the box and we were camped in the 18 yard box. Yes the midfield had been on top, but only for 85 minutes, the last 10 was all them pumping balls into the box.

It was an absolute killer blow, but we should have seen them off earlier, we didn't do enough at the other end and it cost us. The decision to bring on an extra defender and waste an extra minute was the right one. Unfortunately it was Waterfall, enough said.

To be honest I really can't remember seeing us camped in our own area at all.  Yes they had created the chance that led to the saved header and followed up missed sitter, but if we throw on an extra defender every time a side creates a chance we'll soon have a 10-0-0 formation.

We were on top in that game for 85-90 minutes because we won our midfield battle.  Hurst got it right when he brought on Clifton for Lamy, shore it up in there and keep the battle going.  Clifton still offered a press which kept Carlisle reduced to long punts from deep which we dealt with relatively comfortably.  

Waterfall on for Morais meant we narrowed our midfield line, their fullbacks could push further forward to pump balls in.  In one move we gave them 15-20 yards ground straight away.

I've seen an awful lot about how most managers and teams bring on an extra centre-back, this is true.  But most teams aren't us.  The last thing we want to do at the minute is invite any sense of pressure because we can't handle it, we buckle.  Carlisle weren't putting us under pressure so why invite it in the first place?

You could see the lift it gave Carlisle when we brought Waterfall on and retreated 10 yards.  They responded and pushed forward.

If we had seen that game out, every one would have hailed Hurst has sensible and hailed the 1-0 gritty display with so many positives.  It's fine margins, but I think he got this one wrong.  Which is a bloody shame because everyone else was absolutely spot on last night.

The player himself, I'm sorry but that was simply a very poor mistake.  It was a lazy, sluggish, Sunday League attempt at defending.  What on earth he was thinking by trying to head it I don't know.  It would have been easier to stay still and let the ball gently hit him before launching it out.  

This may be slightly unfair but when Waterfall came on our defence went from looking solid and singing from the same hymn sheet to a shambles.  It's 2+2 but Waterfall has been a common theme in our back five looking all over the shop for the best part of a year now.  

Quoted from Rick12

Remember seeing him in a few games in the conference and looked good. Could be a confidence thing as is experiencing the weight of pressure from fans. He's only human and will be affected by things on and off the pitch.

Don't know how to tell you the blatant obvious but their aren't any in the grounds at the moment, and hasn't been all season.

Quoted from DB

Don't know how to tell you the blatant obvious but their aren't any in the grounds at the moment, and hasn't been all season.

Players read social media though DB and I know this can affect some.

Quoted from diehardmariner

To be honest I really can't remember seeing us camped in our own area at all.  Yes they had created the chance that led to the saved header and followed up missed sitter, but if we throw on an extra defender every time a side creates a chance we'll soon have a 10-0-0 formation.

We were on top in that game for 85-90 minutes because we won our midfield battle.  Hurst got it right when he brought on Clifton for Lamy, shore it up in there and keep the battle going.  Clifton still offered a press which kept Carlisle reduced to long punts from deep which we dealt with relatively comfortably.  

Waterfall on for Morais meant we narrowed our midfield line, their fullbacks could push further forward to pump balls in.  In one move we gave them 15-20 yards ground straight away.

I've seen an awful lot about how most managers and teams bring on an extra centre-back, this is true.  But most teams aren't us.  The last thing we want to do at the minute is invite any sense of pressure because we can't handle it, we buckle.  Carlisle weren't putting us under pressure so why invite it in the first place?

You could see the lift it gave Carlisle when we brought Waterfall on and retreated 10 yards.  They responded and pushed forward.

If we had seen that game out, every one would have hailed Hurst has sensible and hailed the 1-0 gritty display with so many positives.  It's fine margins, but I think he got this one wrong.  Which is a bloody shame because everyone else was absolutely spot on last night.

The player himself, I'm sorry but that was simply a very poor mistake.  It was a lazy, sluggish, Sunday League attempt at defending.  What on earth he was thinking by trying to head it I don't know.  It would have been easier to stay still and let the ball gently hit him before launching it out.  

This may be slightly unfair but when Waterfall came on our defence went from looking solid and singing from the same hymn sheet to a shambles.  It's 2+2 but Waterfall has been a common theme in our back five looking all over the shop for the best part of a year now.  

I agree. Even their match commentators said something like the only way we might get something is if they bring on another defender.

Quoted from Rick12

Players read social media though DB and I know this can affect some.

Good job they don't read reports on here about how crap some of them are at times, or they'd have to change their nappies.

Accept that Waterfall may have been better letting the ball hit him and clear rather than try and head it but after watching the goal a few times now I have to say that Hanson was a major factor as he made no effort to compete for the ball aerially and this allowed an easy flick on.

Quoted from diehardmariner

To be honest I really can't remember seeing us camped in our own area at all.  Yes they had created the chance that led to the saved header and followed up missed sitter, but if we throw on an extra defender every time a side creates a chance we'll soon have a 10-0-0 formation.

We were on top in that game for 85-90 minutes because we won our midfield battle.  Hurst got it right when he brought on Clifton for Lamy, shore it up in there and keep the battle going.  Clifton still offered a press which kept Carlisle reduced to long punts from deep which we dealt with relatively comfortably.  

Waterfall on for Morais meant we narrowed our midfield line, their fullbacks could push further forward to pump balls in.  In one move we gave them 15-20 yards ground straight away.

I've seen an awful lot about how most managers and teams bring on an extra centre-back, this is true.  But most teams aren't us.  The last thing we want to do at the minute is invite any sense of pressure because we can't handle it, we buckle.  Carlisle weren't putting us under pressure so why invite it in the first place?

You could see the lift it gave Carlisle when we brought Waterfall on and retreated 10 yards.  They responded and pushed forward.

If we had seen that game out, every one would have hailed Hurst has sensible and hailed the 1-0 gritty display with so many positives.  It's fine margins, but I think he got this one wrong.  Which is a bloody shame because everyone else was absolutely spot on last night.

The player himself, I'm sorry but that was simply a very poor mistake.  It was a lazy, sluggish, Sunday League attempt at defending.  What on earth he was thinking by trying to head it I don't know.  It would have been easier to stay still and let the ball gently hit him before launching it out.  

This may be slightly unfair but when Waterfall came on our defence went from looking solid and singing from the same hymn sheet to a shambles.  It's 2+2 but Waterfall has been a common theme in our back five looking all over the shop for the best part of a year now.  

There was only about 1.5 minutes between Waterfall coming on and them scoring, so the impact of the changes to formation were zero. The truth is we were under the cosh before Waterfall came on. As has already been said, they skied a sitter minutes before, so to pretend we were crusing or changes in formation caused the goal is just wrong imho.

Very harsh comments here regarding Agent Waterfall  

At 30yo, this warrior has form in captaining sides to titles in the 5th Tier, and could prove to be a valuable asset come the new campaign?

It's the typical desperate last 5-10 minutes of a game when the home team throw caution to the wind and just start throwing balls into the box. You see it time and again. Sometimes they get a bounce of the ball that falls just right and someone gets in to score. You see injury time goals every weekend.

He could have left it as it was and we may have conceded 2 for all we know. Easy to manage tactics in hindsight.

It's taken a while, as I thought it would, but I think we are now a better side than the one Hollowords left. We look more organised and could quite easily have picked up a few more points than we have but things aren't quite going for us. Both FGR goals were fortunate on Saturday and the goal last night had an element of luck too. Bounced just right for them. Not to mention a goal we had disallowed for not much at all.

The small margins are going against us at the moment.

Just to correct a few people:

The Waterfall for Morais substitution was made BEFORE they had that chance where Eastwood saved it and their lad smacked it over from 5 yards out.

I maintain that while they were having a bit more possession, they weren't causing us problems or creating chances until we made that sub and made it easier for them to get higher up the pitch and put crosses in.

Quoted from NorfolkImp

Very harsh comments here regarding Agent Waterfall  

At 30yo, this warrior has form in captaining sides to titles in the 5th Tier, and could prove to be a valuable asset come the new campaign?

But were battling to stay in this league

Quoted from Tommy

Just to correct a few people:

The Waterfall for Morais substitution was made BEFORE they had that chance where Eastwood saved it and their lad smacked it over from 5 yards out.

I maintain that while they were having a bit more possession, they weren't causing us problems or creating chances until we made that sub and made it easier for them to get higher up the pitch and put crosses in.

That is exactly what their commentator said would happen, and it did.

these subs can go one way or the other last night unfortunatly it went agsinst us , hanson should have headed that ball not waterfall simple  as that , but we are bottom of lge so need a scapegoat , some of the things i saw aimed at him on social media are way beyond football , would these fans of ours have the guts to face to face him ?

You can't blame a player who puts the effort in on the pitch but is basically not upto the job
It's the manager who puts him on. Don't think he's the sort of player who will hide Unlike some

Quoted from fishcake63

these subs can go one way or the other last night unfortunatly it went agsinst us , hanson should have headed that ball not waterfall simple  as that , but we are bottom of lge so need a scapegoat , some of the things i saw aimed at him on social media are way beyond football , would these fans of ours have the guts to face to face him ?

Sadly he (and Pollock) have been at the heart of one of the worst defences in the entire EFL.

Quoted from arryarryarry

Sadly he (and Pollock) have been at the heart of one of the worst defences in the entire EFL.

Unfortunately Pollocks lack of pace is going to seriously affect his chances of moving to a higher level which is a great shame. Always looks a little overweight to me but that may just be his build as he’s naturally a big lad and always looks to be training hard in the background of PH’s interviews.

This season has probably been a blip in his development but given any experience should contribute to his overall improvement as a person and a player, let’s hope so.

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

Accept that Waterfall may have been better letting the ball hit him and clear rather than try and head it but after watching the goal a few times now I have to say that Hanson was a major factor as he made no effort to compete for the ball aerially and this allowed an easy flick on.

I saw that as well on the reply. Hanson is the golden boy at the minute and can do wrong, the goal came about by his fault not to head the ball, what's more his feet never left the ground.

Quoted from Roast Em Bobby

There was only about 1.5 minutes between Waterfall coming on and them scoring, so the impact of the changes to formation were zero.

0-1 when he comes on and we change formation
1-1 within 2 minutes of him coming on and changing formation.

I'd say that's the absolute opposite of zero impact.

Waterfall came on.  They created that chance where Eastwood made a great save and then the Carlisle guy skied it.  That came from bad defending.  The lad was at the back post unmarked.

The goal came from shambolic defending.  Waterfall missed the ball, other players didn't know what they were doing.  They scored.

After that we nearly conceded again when they caused panic in our area.

Be it Waterfall as an individual, the change in system or a combination of both.  But that's what changed the course and outcome of the game.

Anyway, it's done now.  To say we need a result on Saturday is an understatement.  We take those sloppy 3 minutes out of it and it was a good performance and one that should give confidence/belief.