Stockwood - Guardian - 13.08.22

If you read autobiographies of players then you will often come across glaring examples of how much players are effected by the culture, atmosphere and running of clubs....and how they have pops at their agents for getting them into such places.

Money will always play a factor but lets say we pushed the boat the out and bought a marquee signing in........who signed for the cash.....but he soon realises how well he is looked after, how well they are treated, how well his family are treated etc would he be as tempted to walk away ?  Or if we make him sit in a wheelie bin of fish Dock ice to cure an injury or suggest he can get a second job to top his wages up...

Quoted from MuddyWaters

It’s very aspirational but, put yourself in the shoes of a young player (most of them are!) and tell me that, in your short career, a club’s culture is more important than the pay package and the location.

It’s great that we have a chairman that has changed the club so radically and at such speed but these players are still on relatively low salaries compared to the phone number wages of those higher up the ladder.

I see your point, but how many times over the years have we missed out on a player that went to 'more attractive' location?

We can't change the location of the club, but we can give it the best reputation for being a good club to play for.  When I say 'we', I mean the owners, obvs

Imagine what Pepple thought yesterday...new country, new club, been here 5 minutes and sees 1250 fans at an away game cheering the team on.

Quoted from moosey_club

If you read autobiographies of players then you will often come across glaring examples of how much players are effected by the culture, atmosphere and running of clubs....and how they have pops at their agents for getting them into such places.

Money will always play a factor but lets say we pushed the boat the out and bought a marquee signing in........who signed for the cash.....but he soon realises how well he is looked after, how well they are treated, how well his family are treated etc would he be as tempted to walk away ?  Or if we make him sit in a wheelie bin of fish Dock ice to cure an injury or suggest he can get a second job to top his wages up...

There’s a big assumption that there’s a load of clubs that are being as badly run as we were badly run. There may be some, granted, but they are few and far between.

Italian clubs got it right, I mean they get a lot wrong but they did get it right when they began employing well-being type folk mid 90s.

They saw they were investing in the players so crated player liaison roles etc. it took a while to happen in the UK but they exist now and actually you can see the impact of that.

I remember reading about a player at Chelsea about 20 years ago, came over, didn’t speak the language and was out up in a hotel and just told to turn up at training.

Hated it for ages then one player took the time and showed him around, schools etc before he brought all his family over, eventually he settled and surprise surprise, his performances picked up.

Culture is everything and some clubs are further on that journey but it’s so important to have a relational climate that values everyone. City won the league and whilst we know the allures earn obscene cash, in their title celebrations every one was involved, analysts, kit man, tea lady, everyone…

Quoted from MuddyWaters

You’re made of pretty strong stuff to do what Luke Waterfall has done in the last twelve months. Compare that to many players, several who’ve been with us, that have just accepted their fate and gravitated to the next level down.

Absolutely. Worth it's weight in gold having character like that on the pitch.

I think this confirms what we all suspected and that is that the club had a bad reputation as not being a great place to work until recently. I think as a cultural and recruitment strategy what JS talks through is excellent and despite the greed in the game its something that personally I'd like our club to be famous for.

Not being the biggest payers (we can't be) but a great place to work will attract players with good values which in sport equals good work ethic which actually can take you some distance. I'd suggest that it will also get you players with character, maybe we're in that place to a degree already with the current squad who are developing a DNA that includes honest graft, application and most of all unity.

I'm not sure it's players you need to convince to be honest I think it's the agents who need to understand that it's not just about wages, good luck with that one. As much as some clubs treat players like commodities agents are just as bad as I refuse to believe at this level "repeat business" isn't an agents best earner.

So as a promoted side you could say 3 games in and a win, drawn and defeat is a mixed start but don't be fooled by a few games this club is moving forward at a pace it's not seen in decades.        

Quoted from HertsGTFC

I think this confirms what we all suspected and that is that the club had a bad reputation as not being a great place to work until recently. I think as a cultural and recruitment strategy what JS talks through is excellent and despite the greed in the game its something that personally I'd like our club to be famous for.

Not being the biggest payers (we can't be) but a great place to work will attract players with good values which in sport equals good work ethic which actually can take you some distance. I'd suggest that it will also get you players with character, maybe we're in that place to a degree already with the current squad who are developing a DNA that includes honest graft, application and most of all unity.

I'm not sure it's players you need to convince to be honest I think it's the agents who need to understand that it's not just about wages, good luck with that one. As much as some clubs treat players like commodities agents are just as bad as I refuse to believe at this level "repeat business" isn't an agents best earner.

So as a promoted side you could say 3 games in and a win, drawn and defeat is a mixed start but don't be fooled by a few games this club is moving forward at a pace it's not seen in decades.        

I don't think there's any maybe about it, granted Hurst made tactical tweaks, but you have to have the players who will not only take that on board, but put it into action on the pitch.  Too many times we've had teams that would have just coasted that 2nd half, resigned to the fact that we were likely to lose the game based on the first half.  Throw the towel in, if you will.  

You can have all the ability in the world, but if you haven't got a work ethic and determination, you'll end up 12th in the Conference.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

There’s a big assumption that there’s a load of clubs that are being as badly run as we were badly run. There may be some, granted, but they are few and far between.

That doesn't matter does it? We either need to ensure a good culture to have a competitive advantage or to be on an even footing. I really don't understand how anybody can think us trying to be a really good employer is anything other than a good thing. They've said PH has a much improved budget so it's not like it's instead of offering decent wages

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

[url]https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2022/aug/13/while-money-is-a-huge-help-it-is-culture-that-drives-success-in-football[/url]

“For any players or agents reading this, I’d suggest that when thinking about a move, you assess not only the financial side of it but also the the culture of the organisation involved. The personal values and behaviours of owners will have a massive influence on how people are viewed and treated and will be a good indication of how commoditised and valued a player will be. One way to do this is to look at who controls the money, how they got it and how they act in their other businesses.”

I reckon he’s over estimated the intelligence of a lot of players , most will just see pound signs and not give a toss where their money comes from

Quoted from grimps

I reckon he’s over estimated the intelligence of a lot of players , most will just see pound signs and not give a toss where their money comes from

You probably need to stop believing everything the media tell you about players…