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Sacked by Chelsea. Just shows how tough it is at the top and managers need instant results when mega money is being thrown around
Bless him. Am sure his severance package will make up for any sorrow
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Man’s a prat Chelsea a load of upstarts based on criminal money That may change under new ownership
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Agree on the above, but so strange to me that he's been backed so heavily during the transfer window, got the players he wanted to get, and some of them haven't even played a game for him yet and he's gone
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Agree on the above, but so strange to me that he's been backed so heavily during the transfer window, got the players he wanted to get, and some of them haven't even played a game for him yet and he's gone
I’m not sure he wanted those players. Often at these daft clubs the Sporting Director signs players, then hands them to the manager. Antonio Conte at Spurs said so much the other week - it was the club’s decision to buy Djed Spence, not his, he didn’t even ask for him. Anyway, any club who pays £62m for Brighton’s left back when you’ve already got Ben Chilwell in the squad clearly has more money than sense.
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Sacked by Chelsea. Just shows how tough it is at the top and managers need instant results when mega money is being thrown around
Bless him. Am sure his severance package will make up for any sorrow
Should be able to buy a new cart horse to replace Hercules and go back in to the rag & bone game
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Huge fallout with the board after the Southampton game apparently. New owner, same culture. I’m sure Tuchel’s bank account will reflect just how disappointed he is though.
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Well they can keep thier cocker- nee hands off " Us Paul"
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September 7, 2022, 12:29pm |
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Well they can keep thier cocker- nee hands off " Us Paul"
It looks as though their number 1 target is Graham Potter at Brighton. It was only a matter of time before a ‘big 6’ club came in for him; it will be interesting to see if he fancies giving up the security and sensibility of Brighton for the insecurity and riches of Chelsea. If he does, it will be interesting to see if this has a domino effect down the leagues. The most like for like replacement for Brighton would be Steve Cooper at Forest, who presumably would see that opportunity as a step up. Where would they go from there? I can’t see it filtering all the way down to League Two, but it could be an interesting few weeks ahead.
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It looks as though their number 1 target is Graham Potter at Brighton. It was only a matter of time before a ‘big 6’ club came in for him; it will be interesting to see if he fancies giving up the security and sensibility of Brighton for the insecurity and riches of Chelsea.
If he does, it will be interesting to see if this has a domino effect down the leagues. The most like for like replacement for Brighton would be Steve Cooper at Forest, who presumably would see that opportunity as a step up. Where would they go from there? I can’t see it filtering all the way down to League Two, but it could be an interesting few weeks ahead.
Oi Tricky Trees, Phil Parkinson will be available soon,.......
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Here’s a plot twist for you. What if Brighton don’t go for Cooper and instead plump for Nathan Jones at Luton, who was assistant manager there for a number of years and is very well regarded by them.
Would Luton, who have clearly been following our progress whilst monitoring McAtee, and who seem to have an open dialogue with us, fancy Hurst? Their board will be aware of him from our Conference days.
I think that’s an unlikely but not impossible scenario. If it came to be, would Hurst take it? I believe Luton’s owners have similar values to our own.
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All good points as always Poojah , Get Tuchal back NOW 😂😂😂
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I was also thinking recently that Potter will be attracting attention after being so good at unfashionable clubs and it was only a matter of time before Tuchel got the heave-ho given their spending and results so far.
I don't however think Potter is high profile enough for Chelsea, though it wouldn't surprise me if he did end up there.
Nothing about the Prem surprises anymore.
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I was also thinking recently that Potter will be attracting attention after being so good at unfashionable clubs and it was only a matter of time before Tuchel got the heave-ho given their spending and results so far.
I don't however think Potter is high profile enough for Chelsea, though it wouldn't surprise me if he did end up there.
Nothing about the Prem surprises anymore.
He’s in London now for talks, so you would assume it’s merely down to whether or not he fancies a quadrupling of his salary.
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He’s in London now for talks, so you would assume it’s merely down to whether or not he fancies a quadrupling of his salary.
Didn't know that. In that case, he can't really turn it down I would have thought. If he gets the job, it will be a meteoric rise from lower league journeyman to managing Ostersund, Swansea and Brighton, then one of the European big boys.
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Here’s a plot twist for you. What if Brighton don’t go for Cooper and instead plump for Nathan Jones at Luton, who was assistant manager there for a number of years and is very well regarded by them.
Would Luton, who have clearly been following our progress whilst monitoring McAtee, and who seem to have an open dialogue with us, fancy Hurst? Their board will be aware of him from our Conference days.
I think that’s an unlikely but not impossible scenario. If it came to be, would Hurst take it? I believe Luton’s owners have similar values to our own.
I can't see a Championship club going for Hurst after his spell at Ipswich. Whatever the reasons for his failure there, off-field issues or not, he hasn't proved himself at that level and would be regarded as a very risky appointment for a club that is now established in the second tier. Having said that, anything is possible and everyone has a price. While Hurst seems happy and relaxed in a secure and supportive environment whilst armed with the experience of taking a risky higher-level job that might have been a step too far for him, there are a few clubs that would tempt him. Are Luton one of those clubs? Most probably, yes. With a new stadium inching closer and a very good structure in place, I'd imagine their manager's position is highly sought after. But like I said, I think it's unlikely and I wouldn't be too worried about it happening. However, if any of Barnsley, Wednesday or, dare I say it, Lincoln dispense with their manager's services this season, then I might get a little edgy.
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Didn't know that.
In that case, he can't really turn it down I would have thought. If he gets the job, it will be a meteoric rise from lower league journeyman to managing Ostersund, Swansea and Brighton, then one of the European big boys.
I would expect it all to be done today or tomorrow. He’s turned down Spurs previously apparently, but I think Chelsea are a different prospect in terms of their ability to actually win trophies. Luton fans seem mildly anxious about the prospect of Jones replacing Potter at Brighton. Personally I think they’ll go with someone with a slightly better CV at Championship / PL level. I’ve seen Dyche’s name mentioned; just not sure he fits their brand of football.
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I can't see a Championship club going for Hurst after his spell at Ipswich. Whatever the reasons for his failure there, off-field issues or not, he hasn't proved himself at that level and would be regarded as a very risky appointment for a club that is now established in the second tier.
Having said that, anything is possible and everyone has a price. While Hurst seems happy and relaxed in a secure and supportive environment whilst armed with the experience of taking a risky higher-level job that might have been a step too far for him, there are a few clubs that would tempt him.
Are Luton one of those clubs? Most probably, yes. With a new stadium inching closer and a very good structure in place, I'd imagine their manager's position is highly sought after. But like I said, I think it's unlikely and I wouldn't be too worried about it happening.
However, if any of Barnsley, Wednesday or, dare I say it, Lincoln dispense with their manager's services this season, then I might get a little edgy.
I agree, I think it’s unlikely to. It’s just one I’d file under “stranger things have happened”. I personally don’t think Brighton will go for Jones, but he’ll be amongst the top end of the betting odds I would imagine.
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September 7, 2022, 2:24pm |
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Ridiculous sacking. Dinamo Zagreb aren't even that weak a side. It's not like they've been done by a tiny minnow who has snuck in thanks to some miraculous qualifying campaign.
Here’s a plot twist for you. What if Brighton don’t go for Cooper and instead plump for Nathan Jones at Luton, who was assistant manager there for a number of years and is very well regarded by them.
Would Luton, who have clearly been following our progress whilst monitoring McAtee, and who seem to have an open dialogue with us, fancy Hurst? Their board will be aware of him from our Conference days.
I think that’s an unlikely but not impossible scenario. If it came to be, would Hurst take it? I believe Luton’s owners have similar values to our own.
At the risk of tempting fate, I think we're pretty solid with regards to Hurst for now at least. I think he buys into the philosophy of JS, AP, Debbie, et al. We've spoken before on these pages about how Hurst is in some kind of zenlike state in comparison to his previous time at Town. His relationship with us and the local media and more than likely the old regime wasn't particularly healthy before. I think now though, he might well have a greater appreciation of us as fans (with all due respect, we're supported better than both Shrewsbury and Scunny even at lower levels) and he seems relaxed every time he's interviewed. He's been unfairly axed at Ipswich and Scunny and had to deal with Fenty before that so I think the being back at a club (after Shrewsbury) that gives him the freedom, time and tools to build what he wants is a massive draw for him. He's been burnt before, so he'll be wary of jumping ship. However, on the other hand he is extremely ambitious and no doubt wants the fair crack at the second tier that he never got at Ipswich. The difference between then and now though was that he knew his Shrewsbury side was going to get picked apart and that repeating what he had just done in L1 was going to be tough. I think he'll genuinely be hoping to get Town promoted this season or next. That's not to say I think we're good enough to go up this year by the way...however, I didn't think we were good enough to go up last year until Luke Waterfall put a 119th minute header into the back of the Wrexham net so what do I know. Without knowing too much about Nathan Jones, you could probably say the same about him too. He's back at Luton after being burnt by a bigger club. Would he jump at the first opportunity again?
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Ridiculous sacking. Dinamo Zagreb aren't even that weak a side. It's not like they've been done by a tiny minnow who has snuck in thanks to some miraculous qualifying campaign.
At the risk of tempting fate, I think we're pretty solid with regards to Hurst for now at least. I think he buys into the philosophy of JS, AP, Debbie, et al. We've spoken before on these pages about how Hurst is in some kind of zenlike state in comparison to his previous time at Town. His relationship with us and the local media and more than likely the old regime wasn't particularly healthy before. I think now though, he might well have a greater appreciation of us as fans (with all due respect, we're supported better than both Shrewsbury and Scunny even at lower levels) and he seems relaxed every time he's interviewed. He's been unfairly axed at Ipswich and Scunny and had to deal with Fenty before that so I think the being back at a club (after Shrewsbury) that gives him the freedom, time and tools to build what he wants is a massive draw for him. He's been burnt before, so he'll be wary of jumping ship. However, on the other hand he is extremely ambitious and no doubt wants the fair crack at the second tier that he never got at Ipswich. The difference between then and now though was that he knew his Shrewsbury side was going to get picked apart and that repeating what he had just done in L1 was going to be tough. I think he'll genuinely be hoping to get Town promoted this season or next. That's not to say I think we're good enough to go up this year by the way...however, I didn't think we were good enough to go up last year until Luke Waterfall put a 119th minute header past into the back of the Wrexham net so what do I know.
Without knowing too much about Nathan Jones, you could probably say the same about him too. He's back at Luton after being burnt by a bigger club. Would he jump at the first opportunity again?
Ala Bignot and winning at Blackpool, think this decision was taken before last night and was always going to be informed this morning.
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Ala Bignot and winning at Blackpool, think this decision was taken before last night and was always going to be informed this morning.
Yeah fair enough, I haven't really read up on it to be honest. Regardless though, I don't think they'll get better than Tuchel in. Plus he's good entertainment.
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Well he did merely win the Champions League 15 months ago and the World Club Championship 9 months ago! What a loser! Utter insanity!
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Ridiculous sacking. Dinamo Zagreb aren't even that weak a side. It's not like they've been done by a tiny minnow who has snuck in thanks to some miraculous qualifying campaign.
At the risk of tempting fate, I think we're pretty solid with regards to Hurst for now at least. I think he buys into the philosophy of JS, AP, Debbie, et al. We've spoken before on these pages about how Hurst is in some kind of zenlike state in comparison to his previous time at Town. His relationship with us and the local media and more than likely the old regime wasn't particularly healthy before. I think now though, he might well have a greater appreciation of us as fans (with all due respect, we're supported better than both Shrewsbury and Scunny even at lower levels) and he seems relaxed every time he's interviewed. He's been unfairly axed at Ipswich and Scunny and had to deal with Fenty before that so I think the being back at a club (after Shrewsbury) that gives him the freedom, time and tools to build what he wants is a massive draw for him. He's been burnt before, so he'll be wary of jumping ship. However, on the other hand he is extremely ambitious and no doubt wants the fair crack at the second tier that he never got at Ipswich. The difference between then and now though was that he knew his Shrewsbury side was going to get picked apart and that repeating what he had just done in L1 was going to be tough. I think he'll genuinely be hoping to get Town promoted this season or next. That's not to say I think we're good enough to go up this year by the way...however, I didn't think we were good enough to go up last year until Luke Waterfall put a 119th minute header past into the back of the Wrexham net so what do I know.
Without knowing too much about Nathan Jones, you could probably say the same about him too. He's back at Luton after being burnt by a bigger club. Would he jump at the first opportunity again?
Probably yes, money talks and Hurst won't do himself any harm switching clubs, anyone who thinks differently is kidding themselves and is naive
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According to some football people on talkSPORT who have links to Chelsea, there was a lot more gong on behind the scenes. The timing was a surprise but not the sacking itself.
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Hurst won't do himself any harm switching clubs
He had to take two terrible jobs two levels lower than he'd previously been at as a result of his switch to Ipswich.
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Probably yes, money talks and Hurst won't do himself any harm switching clubs, anyone who thinks differently is kidding themselves and is naive
I agree, but it would take something a lot juicier than it did in 2016. He ain’t leaving for a club bottom of League One this time around, that’s for sure - if you listen to his post-Newport interview he is fully aware that this is a good place to be right now. Realistically, you’re looking a small number of clubs in the Championship who might be interested if a vacancy arose (Luton and Rotherham probably the two standouts) and one of the bigger clubs in League One, particularly if more geographically convenient, Wednesday being the most obvious one (I think Hurst is a Wendy, despite his career at Rotherham). I think the risk of us losing him is small, and much less than it was 6 years ago, but it’s not non-existant.
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Don't cry for Tommy Tuchel. He's taken the petrodollar at his last two clubs and will have earned an absolute fortune, even by being sacked at both. He'll soon be back in a top level job somewhere. Possibly Italy?
Looks a bit of a tense guy to me. He ought to go and sit on a nice beach somewhere for six months, sipping Pina Coladas to wind down.
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Well he did merely win the Champions League 15 months ago and the World Club Championship 9 months ago! What a loser! Utter insanity!
Yes, but he lost 2 games this season so obviously had to go….. Crazy. I wonder what his severance package is. More than our budget for the next five years I’d imagine.
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I agree, but it would take something a lot juicier than it did in 2016. He ain’t leaving for a club bottom of League One this time around, that’s for sure - if you listen to his post-Newport interview he is fully aware that this is a good place to be right now.
Realistically, you’re looking a small number of clubs in the Championship who might be interested if a vacancy arose (Luton and Rotherham probably the two standouts) and one of the bigger clubs in League One, particularly if more geographically convenient, Wednesday being the most obvious one (I think Hurst is a Wendy, despite his career at Rotherham).
I think the risk of us losing him is small, and much less than it was 6 years ago, but it’s not non-existant.
9 months ago, most Town fans would have gladly helped PH pack his bags and driven him to anywhere he chose. The fickle world of football,
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If I was Potter I would hang on for the Liverpool job.
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Well they can keep thier cocker- nee hands off " Us Paul"
I think you’ll find that Chelsea fans are anything but Cockney’s. Aside from the plastics most are from ‘Emel Empstead’ up to Aylesbury. People seem to forget that pre Abramovich, Chelsea struggled to get 20k through the turnstiles. They represent all that is wrong with football, hundreds of thousands of lifelong fans who all seem to have been born in the 1990’s.
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I think you’ll find that Chelsea fans are anything but Cockney’s. Aside from the plastics most are from ‘Emel Empstead’ up to Aylesbury. People seem to forget that pre Abramovich, Chelsea struggled to get 20k through the turnstiles. They represent all that is wrong with football, hundreds of thousands of lifelong fans who all seem to have been born in the 1990’s.
Those born in the 90s are now either in their 30s or approaching their 30s so it’s highly probable that lifelong fans have been born in the 1990s. Does that make them any less plastic?
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9 months ago, most Town fans would have gladly helped PH pack his bags and driven him to anywhere he chose.
The fickle world of football,
I seem to recall reading that Fergie was about to be sacked and won the game. His next 20+ years speak for themselves. Let's hope the period in Hurst's management where we couldn't get a win for love nor money has passed and we can look forward to our own Fergie for 20+ years.
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This view that all Chelsea fans suddenly arrived post Roman’s money is a weird argument that seems to stem from jealousy.
I’ve met several Chelsea fans over the years and all were there well before the money.
Many are my age, supported the club, naturally they gained fans when they started signing people like Gullit and then stuck with them. Wasn’t their fault Roman bought the club, does that make them plastic?
Naturally they gained a few on the way but then so did many a club. It’s not that long ago you could get tickets on the day for City, Newcastle, Spurs, arsenal, pretty much most clubs if you knew where to look.
We’ve gone from 2500/3000 STH and an average gate of no more than 5000 to filling the ground every week, does that make them glory hunters or plastics? Or does it only count when it’s a premier league and lower league fans seem to be desperate to be pre conditioned to hate the top flight?
Tuschel will find a club elsewhere, he’s similar to lots of top managers in that he has a style, a wanting to play a certain way and expect people to do that. Some have clearly not been arsed and for some reason, at Chelsea there does seem to be a culture of player power. They’ve signed people he wasn’t interested in and whilst the director or football/sport model works at many a club, in England it does sometimes fall down.
He’ll go elsewhere and probably do very well. I mean, he did win the European cup and world club cup in his time there and in any other season, he possibly could’ve won the league were it not for city and Liverpool being off the scale last year.
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If I was Potter I would hang on for the Liverpool job.
With Brighton, it'll fall down eventually and they'll end up in relegation battles until the inevitable happens. He should get out whilst his stock is high and the downfall won't be on him, although Chelsea is a poisoned chalice really.
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Hurst has just signed a contract extension so Chelsea will have to look elsewhere.
I gather Holloway is still available though.
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The only Potter that is going to help them overtake City is Harry Potter
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Nathan Jones 6th favourite for the Brighton job at 9/1. Would imagine he will only become an option if those ahead of him turn them down.
That list includes Brendan Rogers, Steve Cooper, Ange Postecoglu and favourite Kjetil Knutsen, a left field option currently at FK Bodø/Glimt and other than that, I could tell you absolutely nothing about.
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Well they can keep thier cocker- nee hands off " Us Paul"
This post may yet turn out to be prohfectic, funnily enough I had a dream the other night about Paul Hurst leaving Grimsby and signing as manager of Rotherham United.
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