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moosey_club
January 15, 2023, 11:27am
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As was discussed on MOTD and also during match commentary on Talksport the word is "impeding" not interfering.

Interfering doesn't exist,  you have to impede an opponent now..so block them, prevent them getting the ball or block their vision...I don't think Rashford did any of that yesterday so the goal stood.



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Quoted from moosey_club
As was discussed on MOTD and also during match commentary on Talksport the word is "impeding" not interfering.

Interfering doesn't exist,  you have to impede an opponent now..so block them, prevent them getting the ball or block their vision...I don't think Rashford did any of that yesterday so the goal stood.



I'm sure other clubs will try a variation on this theme now the precedents have been set.

Run clearly offside, distract the defenders, run with the ball without touching it and see a deeper lying team mate smash it home.

The rules seem to change every week as that goal would not have stood last week!
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They discussed this on MOTD last night, pouring over the unnecessarily complex and increasingly recondite rules. On the official basis of those, I’m still none the wiser.

My understanding has always been that if a player is “interfering”, then he’s offside. That could be by blocking the ‘keeper’s view or impeding a defender’s ability to to their job.

In this instance, Edison doesn’t know and certainly can’t assume can’t assume that Rashford’s offside, and yet he gets within a yard of striking the ball before Fernandes takes over, which surely impacts how the goalkeeper would have approached the finish. He’s got to consider two possible shots from two different players. In that sense, Rashford’s absolutely interfering.

For that goal to stand, Rashford has to make clear that he has given up going for the ball almost as soon as he makes his run. He’s offside. I have no idea why the authorities insist on making their own lives so difficult.


This isn’t a new interpretation of offside though is it? It’s been like this for years and years. We scored a very similar goal to this away at Notts County in 2008/09 season. Ball slid through to someone clearly offside, linesman put his flag up and then Danny Boshell ran in from an onside position to score.
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Here it is…

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Ran towards the ball then shielded it from a defender. How the goal was given is beyond me. They have ruined the rule.
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Interfering with play is no longer a requirement?


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Offside without a doubt. Several reasons, firstly Akanji changes his movement to play Rashford offside, Rashford then makes his move towards the ball, despite not touching the ball he is in possession of it as it is only a couple of feet away from him for a couple of seconds, Rashford then gets himself in between Akanji and the ball preventing the defender from making a full and unchallenged run towards the ball, Rashford then pulls his foot back as if to strike the ball making the defenders and goalkeeper believe he is about to shoot. All that and yet somehow, with the benefit of replays, he is not interfering with play. A terrible decision, possibly the worst since the introduction of VAR.


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I think it could well be the right decision but the law is inadequate.

Offside offence
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:

  
  • interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
      
  • interfering with an opponent by:
            preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
      
  •       challenging an opponent for the ball or
      
  •       clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
      
  •      making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball

or

    gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:
        rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent
        been deliberately saved by any opponent

A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent. 


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It was a farce of a decision, and I still don’t understand the Salah decision last weekend 🤷🏼‍♂️
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