GTST - The Next Chapter

Hi All:

Just in the interests of getting things moving (and re-inforcing any stereotype about females being good organisers  ), I've picked out the following names from the 'Past, Present, Future' thread that have said they would be willing to get involved with provising help / support / ideas to GTST (unless stated, I've assumed that you are local, sorry!):

Local Folk:
1mickylyons
Wrawby_Mariner
cmackenzie4
voiceofreason
Chris
Theimperialcoroner (added)
barralad (added)
craigy (added)
BrotherGrim2 (added)
HamelnMariner (added)

From A Distance:
WillHaddock
jockdocktower
TownSNAFU5
80sglory ??

Given that there seems to be real momentum here, I'd like to suggest a meet up sooner rather than later.  As the one things that unites us all is the football club, would it be worth arranging a meeting for a matchday when the majority are likely to be in the area?  Or would a weeknight be better?  We're probably not going to be able to arrange something that will suit everyone, but going with the majority would be a good start.

All suggestions for days / dates / locations welcome!  And it would be open to all, not just those I have listed above!

Cheers, Emma

You can add me too, semi-local.

I'm sorry Emma, I just don't have the time at the moment. I'm juggling a full time job with running my own business and running a football team.

Quoted from 75

I'm sorry Emma, I just don't have the time at the moment. I'm juggling a full time job with running my own business and running a football team.

And a flock to tend to of course!

Quoted from tarka

And a flock to tend to of course!

The least said about my flock, the better!

When ever . . Tuesday night is pool night though   . .seriously though I'm available whenever

Matchday before the game is surely the best option? Some of the names quoted have already stated that they would find it difficult to attend other than on a matchday.

i know i dont post alot but you can add me, espically as i am doing my dissertation on the club, i know i must be bonkers  

I would try my very best to attend,bear in mind i am a shift worker unfortunately,but anything i can do i will,i would love to help.

I will wait to see the proposed date and take it from there.

chris

I am also a shift worker and personally favour a non matchday due to time however i appreciate some people are travelling from out of Town,i think we should let this run til Saturday and then pick a time and place for a meeting if that suits everyone?

Hi Emma - As discussed yesterday I now have the time to get back involved and i am willing to do so given that there seems to be a fair level of interest . I am sure I could get DS to find a room prior to the match on Saturday (say 12.30 ) if that suits . Let me know.

Count me in. I'll do the name cards.

I could attend a meeting before the Alfreton game on 1 Oct.  I did post though that I have other competing demands  on my time.

The more offers received reduces individual workloads.

I'll help out if my wife lets me, if you need anything translating into German I'm your man.  

Quoted from Grim_Exile

80sglory ??

Gladly in principle but have a meeting and I'll let you know when you've come up with a some kind of direction I can relate to.

Quoted from barralad

Matchday before the game is surely the best option? Some of the names quoted have already stated that they would find it difficult to attend other than on a matchday.

I'm not sure I would want to do that.
Saturdays are sacrosanct and with all due respect the fact you've said you're interested and might be in attendance has put me right off.

Quoted from 1600

I'm not sure I would want to do that.
Saturdays are sacrosanct and with all due respect the fact you've said you're interested and might be in attendance has put me right off.

Quoted from 1600

Gladly in principle but have a meeting and I'll let you know when you've come up with a some kind of direction I can relate to.


I'm not sure I would want to do that.
Saturdays are sacrosanct and with all due respect the fact you've said you're interested and might be in attendance has put me right off.

Ive agreed with everything you've said til up til now. Regardless of who is there that you don't like we are all there for the same thing and pulling together regardless of differences shows strength and character

Quoted from Jimmy_Hills_Chin

I literally just burst out laughing, sorry to take the thread off topic, you can get back on track now.

Quoted from 1600

Gladly in principle but have a meeting and I'll let you know when you've come up with a some kind of direction I can relate to.


I'm not sure I would want to do that.
Saturdays are sacrosanct and with all due respect the fact you've said you're interested and might be in attendance has put me right off.

All due respect??

I've purposely stayed out of the generated debate on this subject because although I find your thought processes almost impossible to understand I was fully prepared to accept that others may have more luck and that deep down inside one or more of your posts there might be some worthwhile point.

Earlier you said that Saturday was an option but now suddenly Saturday's are sacrosanct (amazing pomposity). Just in case that particular get out clause might be challenged you then cite me as a reason for not attending a meeting.

Me and I suspect a lot of other people might deduce from your continued reticence to actually get involved in anything concrete apart from continually sniping from behind your keyboard, that you are what is commonly known as a "gob-sh*te" .

Personally I'm not really bothered whether you turn up or even honour us with your involvement at some later date once of course you've dissected any report produced by said meeting.

Perhaps you might consider reading back your post and considering whether:

1. It was actually under the circumstances a grown up thing to say,

2. Whether you at any time actually have anybody's interests at heart other than those of 80's Glory,

and finally,

3. Whether you could actually have anything to say or do that would make a positive contribution to the current situation.

Quoted from cod.gtfc

I literally just burst out laughing, sorry to take the thread off topic, you can get back on track now.

Yes I know pathetic isn't it....

Quoted from 1600

Gladly in principle but have a meeting and I'll let you know when you've come up with a some kind of direction I can relate to.


I'm not sure I would want to do that.
Saturdays are sacrosanct and with all due respect the fact you've said you're interested and might be in attendance has put me right off.

Surely the point of the meeting is for those who are interested in the future of GTFC to decide upon the 'direction'?
By saying come up with a 'direction' and i will see if i can relate to it is a bit of a cop out. If you were serious I'd suggest you attend and help shape the direction?

Sorry Mr Glory but you say Saturdays are sacrosant and i recall you cannot usually attend mid week games it smacks of excuses.

You dont have to get involved of course, that is individual choice, but your post comes over as someone who will wait until things are formalised and will then be ultra critical. I hope i have you all wrong

Wrawbs I see what you're saying but I've already shown enough strength and character to outweight everyone else several times.
So let see others "step up to the plate" and think of at least ONE idea for a change !

Sorry but I've given LOADS of suggestions already (who else has ?) and very few(if any) have been discussed or commented upon on here (like e.g. using on-line media as a discussion platform?) so sorry, but I'm not gonna start feeling guilty about "not showing willing" by not sharing my table with members of Fenty's foot-army on a Saturday of all days !

Quoted from barralad

Earlier you said that Saturday was an option but now suddenly Saturday's are sacrosanct (amazing pomposity).

No I didn't.
I said Saturdays were an option BUT Town were playing. i.e. No.
I didn't leave the door completely closed but it's exactly that kind of twisting and usual BS that puts any meeting with YOU out of the question.

Quoted from barralad

Me and I suspect a lot of other people might deduce from your continued reticence to actually get involved in anything concrete apart from continually sniping from behind your keyboard, that you are what is commonly known as a "gob-sh*te" .

Suspect what you want, who else has got off their @rse and come up with any ideas on here ?
Oh but, that's "for the meeting" isn't it ?
Bottom line NO-ONE has given any reason why we can't discuss it all on here.
What's wrong, might that actually engage more supporters than it desirable to make it a success ?  

Much better to put people out and make it completely inconvenient, or is that the whole idea ?  
Most likely same as before, no answers will be forthcoming...

Anyway, let's see what revoultionary ideas you come up with - my guess barralad is you'll probably whitewash the greater wishes of the supporters and make sure JF get's his agenda through.  

Quoted from Kris Mustampa

Surely the point of the meeting is for those who are interested in the future of GTFC to decide upon the 'direction'?

You mean it's up to the people "in charge of the meeting" to decide the direction...

That's my guess why no-one wants to discuss any of it on here - they fear they can't be "in control".

Quoted from Kris Mustampa

Sorry Mr Glory but you say Saturdays are sacrosant and i recall you cannot usually attend mid week games it smacks of excuses.

Think what you like, I don't give a sh1t.
I could have very easily said nothing at all if I "wasn't willing".
At least I provide some answers which is more than can be said for the moral-majority who seemingly disappear and say nothing when you put a half decent question to them.

Quoted from Wrawby_Mariner

Regardless of who is there that you don't like we are all there for the same thing

Wrawbs quick question - what is this "same thing" because I'm honestly buggered if I know !

To help GTFC ? To help the supporters ? To "show willing" ? To form a social club ?

How difficult is it for people to put their thinking caps on and to propose some kind of pre-meeting agenda ?
Everyone else does it !

Yet another reason I feel less inclined to show willing.
My guess is it'll be a case of he who shouts loudest or sits in the biggest chair will win the day behind closed doors.

I have no real intention of getting involved in a slanging match with the likes of you.

You know nothing about me. I haven't up to now put the case for a meeting. I merely commented, in answer to another poster, that if a meeting was wanted then Saturday would be a good day to have it.....I suggest you keep your conspiracy theories for the non-football part of this messageboard.

Perhaps you would like to share with us your real reasons for not attending a meeting? My guess is that it has got everything to do with you not having a measure of control in a face to face meeting where lots of people might have differing views. Posting on a message board allows you to deal (copiously) with people on an individual basis.

I don't really need to explain myself but I'll say that I like meetings because it is a lot easier to get people to commit to action face to face than it is on a messageboard where we don't even all know each other by name. One of the most successful ventures on this board was the "Bike to the Bank" ride which achieved clear leadership and understanding of the necessary roles through a series of meetings.
Anyway, it's of no real consequence. If enough people attend a meeting then things may quickly start to happen and a direction for GTST to follow can be agreed. If it is decided not to have a meeting then so be it....

Quoted from 1600

Wrawbs quick question - what is this "same thing" because I'm honestly buggered if I know !

To help GTFC ? To help the supporters ? To "show willing" ? To form a social club ?

How difficult is it for people to put their thinking caps on and to propose some kind of pre-meeting agenda ?
Everyone else does it !

Yet another reason I feel less inclined to show willing.
My guess is it'll be a case of he who shouts loudest or sits in the biggest chair will win the day behind closed doors.

Where has anybody said that any meeting wouldn't be accompanied by an agenda?

Your last sentence confirms my view of you as expressed in my previous post. At a meeting it wouldn't necessarily be you that shouted the loudest-and that would NEVER do would it.

Quoted from 1600

Wrawbs quick question - what is this "same thing" because I'm honestly buggered if I know !

To help GTFC ? To help the supporters ? To "show willing" ? To form a social club ?

How difficult is it for people to put their thinking caps on and to propose some kind of pre-meeting agenda ?
Everyone else does it !

Yet another reason I feel less inclined to show willing.
My guess is it'll be a case of he who shouts loudest or sits in the biggest chair will win the day behind closed doors.

Simple, How easier would it be to speak to someone in person than on the internet. How could a chair person preside of thing on a forum? I have a wide range of ideas on how a supporters trust can benefit fans and the community but will all be revealed at such meeting.

And the point of The Supporters Trust is like every other supporters trust but with one difference . .its ours.  Helping the club is our primary objective and if you want to go all Dragon's Den and say "I'm Out" every time someone makes a point then your being a sad fornicator IMO

Quoted from barralad

I have no real intention of getting involved in a slanging match with the likes of you.
You know nothing about me. I haven't up to now put the case for a meeting. I merely commented, in answer to another poster, that if a meeting was wanted then Saturday would be a good day to have it.....I suggest you keep your conspiracy theories for the non-football part of this messageboard.

I know you are monkfishtails off the OS(yes I'm not completely thick) and pardon me but it was YOU who suggested I meet you before !
The sheer co-incidence you've latched onto my comment and suggested another meeting on the same day, makes me further reluctant to meet up with someone in the potential weirdo/stalker category.
So pardon me for swerving this one. (not that I wanted to meet up with a complete stranger before either !)

Quoted from barralad

My guess is that it has got everything to do with you not having a measure of control in a face to face meeting where lots of people might have differing views. Posting on a message board allows you to deal (copiously) with people on an individual basis.

What's wrong with EVERYONE having a degree of equal control under an agreed democratic process ?
Or are we meant just to follow you and GTST in everything they decide ?
The fact you've completely ignored the issue I raised about discussing it online speaks volumes.

Quoted from barralad

I don't really need to explain myself but I'll say that I like meetings because it is a lot easier to get people to commit to action face to face than it is on a messageboard where we don't even all know each other by name. One of the most successful ventures on this board was the "Bike to the Bank" ride which achieved clear leadership and understanding of the necessary roles through a series of meetings.

What a revealing comment - i.e. it's up to YOU to be in charge and get OTHERS to commit to what YOU want.
As I suspected, you see yourself as the one doing all the bossing around.
"Achieved clear leadership" - I bet it did !

Quoted from barralad

If enough people attend a meeting

Oh you just love phrases like that don't you ?
It's right up there with tarka's repeated claims of "It's all up to the supporters now"
So it's, well we're willing (but not on the messageboards) but if it doesn't take off it'll be the supporters fault.

By the way, what happens if I disagree with your opinion:
"I'll say that I like meetings because it is a lot easier to get people to commit to action face to face than it is on a messageboard where we don't even all know each other by name."

Are you saying because it's you doing the speaking then that's the final say on the matter and it's decided ?
If so, how very dictatorial of you !  
I can see my suspicions weren't without some substance...

Quoted from Wrawby_Mariner

How easier would it be to speak to someone in person than on the internet.

Just as easy ?
I would have thought doing it on-line would have made it more accountable and transparent.

Quoted from Wrawby_Mariner

How could a chair person preside of thing on a forum?

There are ways and means but why do we even need a chairperson if it's truly democratic ?
As I said, the power brokers will most likely be pre-ordained.

Quoted from Wrawby_Mariner

And the point of The Supporters Trust is like every other supporters trust but with one difference . .its ours.

Is it ?
Have you actually read the GTST objectives Emma listed in the other thread ?

Doesn't sound much like supporters interests are being represented at all - they've done nothing about supporter representation on the board and when they do pay lip service to it, they seemingly have done nothing about it.
It reads more like a JF & govt agenda not a supporters one.

Quoted from Wrawby_Mariner

Helping the club is our primary objective and if you want to go all Dragon's Den and say "I'm Out" every time someone makes a point then your being a sad fornicator IMO

So it's to "help the club" and not to represent the supporters is it ?
Thanks for putting that one to bed.
Why do I need to attend a meeting to help the club when I can spend all my money to help it in the club shop ?

This is what I'm talking about Wrawbs - I don't mean to be a stick in the mud and I know you're a good lad, but from my view there's no point in wasting time re-inventing the wheel to "show willing" for the sake of it.
That's why I said I'd wait to see what GTST came up first.
Bottom line is if they can be bothered to discuss all the issues openly on here then I don't see why I should have to behind closed doors.

Representing the supporters is helping the club Mr 80's Glory

I know, so why won't they talk about it on here ?

Because it'll most likely be the same set of assumed objectives and then away we all go following their lead.

GTST isn't "the supporters" anyway, it's a private paying members club with links to the club.
And unless you pay for the privilege, then you won't get any say.

Quoted from 1600

I know, so why won't they talk about it on here ?

Because it'll most likely be the same set of assumed objectives and then away we all go following their lead.

GTST isn't "the supporters" anyway, it's a private paying members club with links to the club.
And unless you pay for the privilege, then you won't get any say.

Not at all, in regards to membership the money you pay goes into an account that helps the club out with things.

The whole point of a meeting, in person is to discuss new objectives. how can people be in an organisation like this from behind a computer screen? it makes it more difficult to get order to proceedings.

I'm not going to write you an essay because I really couldn't care less if you can no longer be arsed. Its just one less cynical illegitimate to deal with

I'm thoroughly sick to my back teeth at 80's Glory hijacking this pissing thread. Glory, either commit to the meeting of do one. I usually value your opinion but there can no doubt that your behaviour on this topic has been pathetic.

Quoted from Wrawby_Mariner

Not at all, in regards to membership the money you pay goes into an account that helps the club out with things.

I know but what I'm saying is, it's possible we can set up our own supporters club on here.
The only difference is, they've got a legal framework(tbh not exactly sure what that means) and they've got links to the club, but there's no reason why everyone on the fishy couldn't set up their own democratic supporters movement for free on here.
It's got the potential to be a LOT bigger than a few people who can afford the fee and can "make it".

Quoted from Wrawby_Mariner

The whole point of a meeting, in person is to discuss new objectives.

Yeah but I'm talking about the GTST objectives Emma provided.
I presume any new objectives will be based on those primary objectives she listed in the other thread.
Are GTST willing to e.g. put all their primary objectives up for review or to a vote ?
Only they can answer or comment on that becuase I don't know what their procedure is and besides which, I'm not currently a member to vote on it anyway.

Quoted from Wrawby_Mariner

how can people be in an organisation like this from behind a computer screen?

Who's needs to be part of an organisation ?
I thought we were meant to be discussing issues ?

Quoted from Wrawby_Mariner

it makes it more difficult to get order to proceedings.

See what you're saying but I just don't buy it - it's a cop out.
Open your eyes, they're not willing to discuss a single thing on here out in the open.

Quoted from Wrawby_Mariner

I'm not going to write you an essay because I really couldn't care less if you can no longer be arsed. Its just one less cynical illegitimate to deal with

Sorry you feel like that.
But if I'm cynical then so are you and them because you're the ones who say "it can't be done" so every supporter can be given a voice on here.
Anyway good luck and I just hope you do something good for the supporters - remember it's ultimately OUR club that's in the sh1t !  

Quoted from Chris

I'm thoroughly sick to my back teeth at 80's Glory hijacking this pissing thread. Glory, either commit to the meeting of do one. I usually value your opinion but there can no doubt that your behaviour on this topic has been pathetic.

So it's "hijacking" now is it ? So much for free speech eh ?
I've already made my position clear - unless they're prepared to talk about it openly then I won't be attending behind closed doors.
So why don't you "do one" instead and just lick Fenty's rear end like you normally do ?
You lot are a complete sell out - I doubt you give a sh1t about the supporters at all.
Fenty out !

Quoted from 1600

I know but what I'm saying is, it's possible we can set up our own supporters club on here.
The only difference is, they've got a legal framework(tbh not exactly sure what that means) and they've got links to the club, but there's no reason why everyone on the fishy couldn't set up their own democratic supporters movement for free on here.
It's got the potential to be a LOT bigger than a few people who can afford the fee and can "make it".


Yeah but I'm talking about the GTST objectives Emma provided.
I presume any new objectives will be based on those primary objectives she listed in the other thread.
Are GTST willing to e.g. put all their primary objectives up for review or to a vote ?
Only they can answer or comment on that becuase I don't know what their procedure is and besides which, I'm not currently a member to vote on it anyway.


Who's needs to be part of an organisation ?
I thought we were meant to be discussing issues ?


See what you're saying but I just don't buy it - it's a cop out.
Open your eyes, they're not willing to discuss a single thing on here out in the open.


Sorry you feel like that.
But if I'm cynical then so are you and them because you're the ones who say "it can't be done" so every supporter can be given a voice on here.
Anyway good luck and I just hope you do something good for the supporters - remember it's ultimately OUR club that's in the sh1t !  

The objectives Emma mentioned were from when it originally started and therefore mostly out dated, which is the point of a meeting, to discuss new ways forward.

And for your information Im not an 'it can't be done type of person'. Ive achieved far more than expected of me and to be honest im buzzing about it, and need to channel my enthusiasm into a worthwhile cause and I strongly feel I can make a difference here

Quoted from 1600

So it's "hijacking" now is it ? So much for free speech eh ?
I've already made my position clear - unless they're prepared to talk about it openly then I won't be attending behind closed doors.
So why don't you "do one" instead and just lick Fenty's rear end like you normally do ?
You lot are a complete sell out - I doubt you give a sh1t about the supporters at all.
Fenty out !

Don't go then. This thread has exposed you IMO, as someone with a highly inflated opinion of himself. I'm not quite sure who you think you are but I think you've done well at alienating a fair few people (myself included) for no apparent reason. We're not all sat here wishing you to come and rescue the club with ideas only you are capable of having.

I wont engage further because Ive got better ways of wasting my time, like cleaning out my rabbits run, or bleaching the toilets and so on......

Quoted from Wrawby_Mariner

The objectives Emma mentioned were from when it originally started and therefore mostly out dated, which is the point of a meeting, to discuss new ways forward.

Well I hope they get reviewed.

Quoted from Wrawby_Mariner

And for your information Im not an 'it can't be done type of person'. Ive achieved far more than expected of me and to be honest im buzzing about it, and need to channel my enthusiasm into a worthwhile cause and I strongly feel I can make a difference here

I didn't think you were.
Just saying I'm not the only one raising doubts about what can be achieved.
Anyway good luck.

Quoted from 1600

Well I hope they get reviewed.


I didn't think you were.
Just saying I'm not the only one raising doubts about what can be achieved.
Anyway good luck.

Yes the point of a meet up IS reviewing them. . . well done its taken you how many posts has it taken you to get to this?

and keep your pessimistic thoughts in your own head instead of repeating yourself

Quoted from Chris

Don't go then.

You sound like a kid who's just banned me from his birthday party.

Quoted from Chris

I think you've done well at alienating a fair few people

So they've got what they wanted and everyones happy.  

How many other people are they alienating is the bigger question.

Quoted from Chris

We're not all sat here wishing you to come and rescue the club with ideas only you are capable of having.

What ARE you sat thinking about then cos I've seen jack squat in terms of contribution to any discussion.
Ooops, can't discuss any of it on here unless you go to the meeting !

As I said right at the very start, where the leadership ?
The supporters haven't seen any of it and my guess is, they most likely never will.
All they've heard is "It's down to the supporters" and then when you criticize or object because it's not all on their terms, they get overly-defensive and say "Don't bother !"

I just hope there are a few who can see GTST have exposed themselves as unambitious by not engaing more on this one.

Hope I'm ultimately proved wrong...

Quoted from Wrawby_Mariner

Yes the point of a meet up IS reviewing them. . . well done its taken you how many posts has it taken you to get to this?

Emma said:

"These objectives were, I feel, right for 2002, but may not be so right for 2011.  There is room in the constitution to make amend to these, however as with all democratic organisations changes have to be proposed, voted upon and agreed."

You can't vote until you're a member ?

As I said to Emma before, I can't have any real say on it's objectives(which I don't know what they will be) until I pay £15.
So GTST are asking me to pay £15 up front in the hope that I'll be agreeable later ?!

Pardon me for being "negative" by thinking there's got to be a better way forward.

Until I see GTST provide a proposal that persuades me to join then sorry mate, I'm not wasting my time watching a private members club at work, I'm saving my money for the club.

Quoted from 1600

You can't vote until you're a member ?

Of course you can't vote until you're a member! Jesus wept!!!

Morning All:

I've edited the original list in the first post.

Firstly, for the avoidance of doubt I would prefer a f2f meeting as I personally believe that a lot can be achieved in an hour or two of sensible adult discussion, without hiding behind pseudonyms.  For various reasons, we can't all be on our PCs 24/7, meaning that points could potentially take days to be debated if we relied on an online forum.  Not that there isn't a role that technology can't play in the future - I just think that for now whilst we are all getting to know each other, doing that in a room would be more productive.  I will also add that all meetings will be fully minuted, and those minutes published via the GTST website (and anywhere else appropriate).

Secondly, it seems that there is a split between those wanting to meet on a Saturday and those preferring midweek.  I myself would prefer a Saturday as a) I don't live in the local area and also often work down South during the week and b) I know I am going to be in Gy for the match - however I am willing to make it over to a midweek meeting if my calendar permits.

Again, in the interests of moving forwards I would like to make a suggestion.  And that is 2 meetings initially:
Meeting 1 - this Saturday
Meeting 2 - some time next week (pref Mon / Tues)

Both meetings will have a clear agenda, to be agreed by the attendees in advance.  The minutes of meeting 1 will be distributed to those proposing to attend meeting 2 in advance, with full minutes being published after meeting 2.  

It's not ideal, but it's the best way I can think of accomodating everyones preferences at the moment.

Thoughts?

Emma

P.S.  Almost forgot my manners, but just to add - to all of you who have put your hands up and offered to get involved - THANKYOU  

Wow. This thread is almost as good as the Kaz one......!

Interesting that you think a meeting can run WITHOUT a chairperson 80's, but then ask "Where's the leadership?"

IMHO, NO meeting will achieve anything without some kind of chairperson taking control, also controlling the personalities round the table is very important to stop people shouting others down and taking over the discussion.

Good luck with it Emma, you've got your work cut out....!

well done to 80s glory for hijacking a potentially positive/hoepful thread and turning it into about of pathetic name calling .
as mr scott said 'if you don't feckin like it don't come'
you're not going to turn up at the meeting, so unless you've got something positive to say, then don't say owt -PLEASE!!

no offence to anyone but reading this whole mammary for tat thread has put me straight off.

Quoted from Biccys

Wow. This thread is almost as good as the Kaz one......!

Interesting that you think a meeting can run WITHOUT a chairperson 80's, but then ask "Where's the leadership?"

IMHO, NO meeting will achieve anything without some kind of chairperson taking control, also controlling the personalities round the table is very important to stop people shouting others down and taking over the discussion.

Good luck with it Emma, you've got your work cut out....!

Thanks Biccys - however, I would prefer to use the word 'facilitate' rather than 'control'.  Whilst I am happy to do that initially (bit of a busmans holiday for me), I am more than happy to hand the reins over to any other willing party.

Quoted from Grim_Exile

Morning All:

I've edited the original list in the first post.

Firstly, for the avoidance of doubt I would prefer a f2f meeting as I personally believe that a lot can be achieved in an hour or two of sensible adult discussion, without hiding behind pseudonyms.  For various reasons, we can't all be on our PCs 24/7, meaning that points could potentially take days to be debated if we relied on an online forum.  Not that there isn't a role that technology can't play in the future - I just think that for now whilst we are all getting to know each other, doing that in a room would be more productive.  I will also add that all meetings will be fully minuted, and those minutes published via the GTST website (and anywhere else appropriate).

Secondly, it seems that there is a split between those wanting to meet on a Saturday and those preferring midweek.  I myself would prefer a Saturday as a) I don't live in the local area and also often work down South during the week and b) I know I am going to be in Gy for the match - however I am willing to make it over to a midweek meeting if my calendar permits.

Again, in the interests of moving forwards I would like to make a suggestion.  And that is 2 meetings initially:
Meeting 1 - this Saturday
Meeting 2 - some time next week (pref Mon / Tues)

Both meetings will have a clear agenda, to be agreed by the attendees in advance.  The minutes of meeting 1 will be distributed to those proposing to attend meeting 2 in advance, with full minutes being published after meeting 2.  

It's not ideal, but it's the best way I can think of accomodating everyones preferences at the moment.

Thoughts?

Emma

I think that may help although I do wonder how many people understand how much of a gesture you are making by agreeing to travel for a second meeting. It might be a good idea to gauge the intentions of those who are already in the frame (and any more who might wish to join in) as to whether a meeting prior to the game on Saturday would meet the needs of the majority. The last thing I'd like to see is you travel over here having booked a meeting room etc. for you to be stood on your own.

Quoted from barralad

I think that may help although I do wonder how many people understand how much of a gesture you are making by agreeing to travel for a second meeting. It might be a good idea to gauge the intentions of those who are already in the frame (and any more who might wish to join in) as to whether a meeting prior to the game on Saturday would meet the needs of the majority. The last thing I'd like to see is you travel over here having booked a meeting room etc. for you to be stood on your own.

Thanks - it was just a suggestion to get the ball rolling.  Happy to go with what works for the majority.  Indications of availability this coming Saturday would be a useful start, as you say.

Saturday DEFINITELY best for me.

Emma, you have a pm.

The Trust project needs the support of a wide range of skills/personalities to succeed, can people please put personal agendas to one side for a bit to try and achieve a positive outcome. Shall we at least try?

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

Emma, you have a pm.

The Trust project needs the support of a wide range of skills/personalities to succeed, can people please put personal agendas to one side for a bit to try and achieve a positive outcome. Shall we at least try?

Well said.

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

Emma, you have a pm.

The Trust project needs the support of a wide range of skills/personalities to succeed, can people please put personal agendas to one side for a bit to try and achieve a positive outcome. Shall we at least try?

Indeed!

Saturday for me as well.

Having read the some of the seemingly endless bullsh1t emminating from 80's Glory's keyboard and now this thread, what seems obvious to me is. . . .

He believes his views to be more valid than those of others
He doesn't want any leadership on moving the trust forward, the only one for leader is himself

Only the other day he was trying to establish a new form of democracy on here (Invented by himself).  He was also of the belief that he would be instrumental in deciding who the next chairman was going to be (with absolutely zero financial clout whatsoever) by buying co-ordinating people who had shares WTF.

Whenever anyone tries to move something in a direction other than his he spits his dummy out, says he is unavailable on Saturdays/busy in the week/working away/on holiday/any other made up excuse.

Basically 80's you are all f4rt and no follow through!!!!!!!!!!!!

I live away, don't really fancy getting involved in GTST but appreciate that others do.  What I find difficult to stomach is the ridiculous narcissistic fantasy-driven ego of 80's glory. . . . Good luck with the supporters trust. . . . I would exclude 80's as I don'yt think he will contribute anything other than guff and non-attendance

Count me in, where ever and when ever

80sglory's contribution to this thread is truly bizarre.

Quoted from MeanwoodMariner

80sglory's contribution to this thread is truly bizarre.

I find myself agreeing with most he has said... two great minds think the same and all that.

Quoted from tarka

Of course you can't vote until you're a member! Jesus wept!!!

I KNOW you can't vote until you're a member dibstick - I was telling Wrawbs !
That was my WHOLE POINT  !!!  
Are you completely thick because nothing anyone ever tells you seems to make any sense.
DOUBLE Jesus wept !

Quoted from 1054

He believes his views to be more valid than those of others

What views of others ?!!

Quoted from Biccys

Interesting that you think a meeting can run WITHOUT a chairperson 80's, but then ask "Where's the leadership?"

If no-one did anything nothing would happen but there's a difference between everyone showing leadership and a "my word is final" dictatorship.

Quoted from Biccys

IMHO, NO meeting will achieve anything without some kind of chairperson taking control, also controlling the personalities round the table is very important to stop people shouting others down and taking over the discussion.

You mean the self appointed chairperson will decide who can speak and who can't - sound truly democratic !
But of course you don't get a room full of noise and disorder on-line.

Quoted from Biccys

Good luck with it Emma, you've got your work cut out....!

Wel at least I won't be attending - some other unlucky sod can get labelled the troublemaker.

Quoted from Grim_Exile

Both meetings will have a clear agenda, to be agreed by the attendees in advance.  The minutes of meeting 1 will be distributed to those proposing to attend meeting 2 in advance, with full minutes being published after meeting 2.

Shame you didn't mention all this before.
Will other supporters you're meant to be representing be informed of these behind closed doors activities or do they not get told even if it's impossible for them to attend because they "can't be bothered" ?

Quoted from 1600

I KNOW you can't vote until you're a member dibstick - I was telling Wrawbs !
That was my WHOLE POINT  !!!  
Are you completely thick because nothing anyone ever tells you seems to make any sense.
DOUBLE Jesus wept !


What views of others ?!!


If no-one did anything nothing would happen but there's a difference between everyone showing leadership and a "my word is final" dictatorship.


You mean the self appointed chairperson will decide who can speak and who can't - sound truly democratic !
But of course you don't get a room full of noise and disorder on-line.


Wel at least I won't be attending - some other unlucky sod can get labelled the troublemaker.


Shame you didn't mention all this before.
Will other supporters you're meant to be representing be informed of these behind closed doors activities or do they not get told even if it's impossible for them to attend because they "can't be bothered" ?

It's a shame you really haven't got a grasp of this have you? The initial interest was around the next steps for the Trust. An organisation already in existence. In fact the title of this thread actually mentions the Trust. Nobody has ever said that the Trust represents everyone. It represents it's members. If you wish to set up an on-line supporters forum then I wish you all the best. What you would like will probably strike a cord with quite a few like minded fans.

There is no self appointed chairman. The chairperson was elected in accordance with the rules governing Trusts.

Quoted from 1600

I KNOW you can't vote until you're a member dibstick - I was telling Wrawbs !
That was my WHOLE POINT  !!!  
Are you completely thick because nothing anyone ever tells you seems to make any sense.
DOUBLE Jesus wept !

There you go again 80's. You did it on a previous thread when you referred to me as a "nincompoop" - now it's "dibstick" (I guess your spellchecker didn't have that in it's dictionary).  Please don't do it again.

Quoted from barralad

It represents it's members.

Yes indeed.
Well it's "Grimsby Town Supporters Trust" so you gain the impression it's about supporters having a say.
Which of course they do but it's a subset of supporters/members doing all the organising.
But until you look into it you don't realise...

Quoted from barralad

There is no self appointed chairman. The chairperson was elected in accordance with the rules governing Trusts.

So it's an official GTST meeting as opposed to an informal meetup ?

Quoted from tarka

I guess your spellchecker didn't have that in it's dictionary

I don't need a spellchecker.

Quoted from 1600

So it's an official GTST meeting as opposed to an informal meetup ?


I don't need a spellchecker.

As you well know it's an informal meeting of people who've expressed a view in taking the Trust forward in view of our current situation...

Quoted from barralad

As you well know it's an informal meeting of people who've expressed a view in taking the Trust forward in view of our current situation...

That's what I thought until you said:

Quoted from barralad

There is no self appointed chairman. The chairperson was elected in accordance with the rules governing Trusts.

If it's an informal meeting then Emma IS the self-appointed chair then isn't she ?
I'm sorry if you don't like me pointing out the inconvenient facts and I'm sure most people would have agreed with her being chiar in any case, but the facts speak for themselves.

Good luck.

Quoted from 1600

That's what I thought until you said:

If it's an informal meeting then Emma IS the self-appointed chair then isn't she ?
I'm sorry if you don't like me pointing out the inconvenient facts and I'm sure most people would have agreed with her being chiar in any case, but the facts speak for themselves.

Good luck.

intercourse off then

If you don't agree with another posters views, please counter with an argument, not just personal abuse, however tempting that may be.

No skin off my nose Biccy's but I'm hardly faultless myself in that regard so point taken.

Quoted from 1600

That's what I thought until you said:

If it's an informal meeting then Emma IS the self-appointed chair then isn't she ?
I'm sorry if you don't like me pointing out the inconvenient facts and I'm sure most people would have agreed with her being chiar in any case, but the facts speak for themselves.

Good luck.

This is becoming like pulling teeth....

Informal in the fact that the intention of the meeting is to see whether any new blood wishes to move the Trust forward out of its recent period of stagnation. The basis of the meeting being that people may have views that are very different to those that were prevalent when the Trust was set up. As Emma is the Trust Chairperson being duly elected to the post under the rules then it is natural that she holds the position of chair of a TRUST meeting.
I'm truly sorry you appear to be having such difficulty grasping this somewhat basic fact.

I've come to the conclusion that he's just a wind up merchant.

Quoted from Chris

I've come to the conclusion that he's just a wind up merchant.

Me too.No one can be that moronic.

Obviously a lot of people on here have shown a dislike to GTST in the past. There have been rumours of infighting and a lot of fair and unfair criticism of the Club from some of the GTST board members. If the GTST are going to move forward can I suggest a complete overall of the board members and a new democratically elected chairman. Dave Otter would be my candidate.  

Quoted from barralad

This is becoming like pulling teeth....

Informal in the fact that the intention of the meeting is to see whether any new blood wishes to move the Trust forward out of its recent period of stagnation. The basis of the meeting being that people may have views that are very different to those that were prevalent when the Trust was set up. As Emma is the Trust Chairperson being duly elected to the post under the rules then it is natural that she holds the position of chair of a TRUST meeting.
I'm truly sorry you appear to be having such difficulty grasping this somewhat basic fact.

Any difficulty I've had is because of YOU who can't answer with a simple YES when I ask:
"So it's an official GTST meeting.........?"

Of course you can have an "informal meeting" under GTST rules !  
But with regards to meetings, informal generally means "not formal" - i.e. not formal proceedings i.e. not under official GTST rules !!!

What YOU'VE adpoted it to mean is "have a chat and a bit of a laff " !   

With all due respect I don't give a flying toss - I wanted to know what actual RULES the meeting was operating under.

So don't be so pompous in your wrongful assumptions - YOU'RE the one who can't wrap your brain round the bleedin' obvious !  

Or if you seriously think I was implying people couldn't have a laugh or a joke then try not assuming everyone is as big a killjoy as yourself.

My guess is you're just trying to twist things to be as difficult as humanly possible.
  

Quoted from Chris

I've come to the conclusion that he's just a wind up merchant.

I've come to the conclusion you've got your tongue firmly down Fenty's trousers.

Quoted from ginnywings

Me too.No one can be that moronic.

Says you who threw the most ridiculous hissy fit when I gave you negative feedback for your football comments.  

My goodness. 80's, if you're determined not to attend then why bang on about it. If you want to know more about the Trust, the issues to be discussed, and the democratic workings, then go  along and ask questions in a civilised manner. I think it's unreasonable to expect anyone to have all the answers at this stage when the Trust has been dormant for so long. No one says you have to be a member to go to the meeting.

Will,

I hear what you're saying and see your view but I'll tell you exactly why.

There are wider issues at stake than little old ME.

What if I there are hundreds or even thousands of other GTFC supporters who might be willing to participate, donate, vote or become a member to a cause in the future, but aren't willing or able to do what GTST are currently asking or might ask them to do ?

Let's face facts, I might be viewed as a "pain up the @rse" but it's not just ME that hasn't been persuaded to participate is it ?

The issue is about whether GTST/those willing can persuade their target customers i.e. the dormant supporters to make it a success.
Like it or not, as a potential customer I'm not convinced and I won't buy a ticket to the grand-ball until I'm persuaded.

This whole attitude of "It's down to the supporters to show willing" is missing the whole point.

You wouldn't hear a business say :

"We've done our bit, now it's down to the customers to make the business work" would you ?

or

"If you don't like it, you can **** off !"

Errr.....    

I hope you see my point.

Quoted from Will Haddock

If you want to know more about the Trust, the issues to be discussed, and the democratic workings, then go  along and ask questions in a civilised manner. I think it's unreasonable to expect anyone to have all the answers at this stage when the Trust has been dormant for so long. No one says you have to be a member to go to the meeting.

2 words - CUSTOMER SERVICE. (not blaming you just an example !)

Anyway don't worry about me or several others - we won't be attending or banging on about it.

A shame or not ?

Take if from someone who has tried and failed (so far) to persuade supporters to save their money, that's it not a case of blaming people, it's whether you can sell and market the idea to them.

The cold hard facts are that the customer doesn't need to do or prove a god damn thing...

Quoted from Drinkells Boot

Obviously a lot of people on here have shown a dislike to GTST in the past. There have been rumours of infighting and a lot of fair and unfair criticism of the Club from some of the GTST board members. If the GTST are going to move forward can I suggest a complete overall of the board members and a new democratically elected chairman. Dave Otter would be my candidate.  

If there has been infighting I certainly haven't witnessed it....and as far as criticism of the Club is concerned I am not aware of any!  There certainly needs to be a number of new faces on the Board and thanks for the vote of confidence but I would suggest we have a perfectly good Chair as it is!

But not everyone likes the current GTST chair. You would be the most popular choice Tarka. If the trust are to be taken seriously there needs to be a total regime change.

lol...there's a couple on here who don't like me much either!!

I move to grimbsy on friday so count me in

80's. I take your reasoning, and understand your frustrations - but as Emma has pointed out, it's not easy to coherently discuss everything on here as people aren't online 24/7, and not everyone that might want to attend will be a regular on any of the message boards.

I think arranging a get together and pinning a date and time to it allows people to come together, which is the first hurdle. Then all voices can be heard, and questions asked, to determine what purpose the Trust should have.

Rome wasn't built in a day, and following this meeting hopefully there will be a clearer picture, then the "undecided's" can review their stance and decide whether to support the Trust (not necessarily by buying a membership) or not.

Everyone has lots of questions, and until a consensus of opinion is formed, no-one has any answers. To use your analogy of Customer Service, the Trust hasn't decided whether it's a market stall, a corner shop, or a wannabe supermarket, let alone what it's going to sell, so please, bide your time, and comment constructively on any proposals that come to light in the next week or so.

Up the Mariners!

I would like to help and have sent you a pm Emma.

Quoted from Will Haddock

Rome wasn't built in a day, and following this meeting hopefully there will be a clearer picture, then the "undecided's" can review their stance and decide whether to support the Trust (not necessarily by buying a membership) or not.

Everyone has lots of questions, and until a consensus of opinion is formed, no-one has any answers. To use your analogy of Customer Service, the Trust hasn't decided whether it's a market stall, a corner shop, or a wannabe supermarket, let alone what it's going to sell, so please, bide your time, and comment constructively on any proposals that come to light in the next week or so.

Up the Mariners!

Good points, I agree.
Nice to have a fair and mature debate with someone that's open-minded.
Best of luck.

what time would the meeting be on saturday as i will be making my way home from skeggy early morning?

Quoted from craigy

what time would the meeting be on saturday as i will be making my way home from skeggy early morning?

Hi craigy - did you get the PM that I sent you?

Emma

Quoted from tarka

If there has been infighting I certainly haven't witnessed it....and as far as criticism of the Club is concerned I am not aware of any!  There certainly needs to be a number of new faces on the Board and thanks for the vote of confidence but I would suggest we have a perfectly good Chair as it is!

Well in view of  the position of the club on and off the field maybe an awful lot of fans myself included wished the Trust had spoken out about certain things that have gone on Dave?One specific thing for me was the Radio Humberside debacle the fans got a raw deal and definately should have had proper answers from JF and others regarding the poor alternative that was Compass Fm.

Quoted from Drinkells Boot

But not everyone likes the current GTST chair. You would be the most popular choice Tarka. If the trust are to be taken seriously there needs to be a total regime change.

Why would he and says who?No offence to Dave or Emma but whilst they may well be the best available candidates how will we know til a meeting has taken place and those present decide what course of action they wish to take to move things forward?

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Why would he and says who?No offence to Dave or Emma but whilst they may well be the best available candidates how will we know til a meeting has taken place and those present decide what course of action they wish to take to move things forward?

Just for the avoidance of any doubt whatsoever, as soon as someone else indicates their willingness to take the Chair (and people are happy with that choice), I will happily vacate the seat.  I still feel passionate about the principle of supporter representation and will always provide the Trust with as much support as I am able, however I am not longer in a position to be the 'figurehead' (as it were).

Quoted from Grim_Exile

Just for the avoidance of any doubt whatsoever, as soon as someone else indicates their willingness to take the Chair (and people are happy with that choice), I will happily vacate the seat.  I still feel passionate about the principle of supporter representation and will always provide the Trust with as much support as I am able, however I am not longer in a position to be the 'figurehead' (as it were).

I heard 80s has 54% of the GTST shares but doesnt want the job either Emma is that fact or fiction?Ps i in no way wished to undermine either yourself or Dave for work previous in my post Emma i was just trying to point out that an influx of new people might want a slightly different agenda in terms of fan representation.

Well I have to say that's a pity Emma because you've always shown leadership and enthusiasm both
before and after you took the Chair. I'm delighted that you will continue to help as best you can though.

Quoted from 1mickylyons

I heard 80s has 54% of the GTST shares but doesnt want the job either Emma is that fact or fiction?Ps i in no way wished to undermine either yourself or Dave for work previous in my post Emma i was just trying to point out that an influx of new people might want a slightly different agenda in terms of fan representation.

I think we would both agree with you on that one...but just as importantly a Trust doesn't just run itself. The Board need help!

Quoted from 1mickylyons

I heard 80s has 54% of the GTST shares but doesnt want the job either Emma is that fact or fiction?

In all sincerity are you being serious ?
To be clear I've have absolutely no involvement with GTST or anything to do with anyone involved with GTST until I've recently spoke to them on this messageboard.

I'm simply a supporter who perhaps like you, thinks their interests could be better represented.

Who is telling you these bizarre things or is it tongue in cheek ?  

Quoted from 1600

In all sincerity are you being serious ?
To be clear I've have absolutely no involvement with GTST or anything to do with anyone involved with GTST until I've recently spoke to them on this messageboard.

I'm simply a supporter who perhaps like you, thinks their interests could be better represented.

Who is telling you these bizarre things or is it tongue in cheek ?  

lol...to use your own words....you dibstick!!!

Tarka

You have a pm

Well done Emma. Whos going to be the chairman then?  

Quoted from tarka

lol...to use your own words....you dibstick!!!

I don't understand the context of micky's joke/quote.
Pardon me for seeking clarification on my name randomly cropping up in your private chat.
I won't expect any answers - I know you're good at dodging the questions - especially when it comes to things like the sale of Blundell Park.

http://www.thefishy.co.uk/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1316901906/s-19/#num19  

If JF brings the clubs to it's knees, some won't forget there were those that were publicy shoulder to shoulder with him.  

Quoted from 1600

I don't understand the context of micky's joke/quote.
Pardon me for seeking clarification on my name randomly cropping up in your private chat.
I won't expect any answers - I know you're good at dodging the questions - especially when it comes to things like the sale of Blundell Park.

http://www.thefishy.co.uk/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1316901906/s-19/#num19  

If JF brings the clubs to it's knees, some won't forget there were those that were publicy shoulder to shoulder with him.  

OK...I'll try and explain this for you simply. 1 Mickylyons suggested you had a 54% share in the Trust and didn't want the job of Chairman...you responded as though you might think he was remotely serious.  By the way, it is impossible to have a 54% share in the Trust!

As far as your qoute is concerned I really don't understand your agenda here.....I really don't know what your going on about! Sell Blundell Park? Why would JF want to sell Blundell Park?!!

Quoted from Drinkells Boot

Well done Emma. Whos going to be the chairman then?  

I can't figure out whether that is a 'good' well done or a 'bad' well done (it's still quite early), but in answer to your question it will be whoever submits a nomination for the role and is voted in.  Simples