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I would agree about Thomas & Neilson, though once again it was Hurst who signed them and presumably had done his homework so why it should be a surprise they didn't fit the profile he wants is a bit of a mystery.
Every manager looks for continuous improvement. Hurst is no different, his job depends on it. We should have learned by now to take interviews and press comments with a large pinch of salt as neither manager nor players are likely to disagree with each other or say anything contentious and likely to jeopardise their futures.
What is hard to understand about Hurst's management is that he left players out and weakened the side, we assume to teach those players a lesson. He's done it before, especially with Neilson, but here Tomlinson was signed for that reason as well as just giving cover, so he could leave out first choice players and park them on the bench. It would be a big assumption to say Hurst actually planned to return both Bogle and Amond to the side against Halifax. Circumstances forced his hand in the form of Pittman's injury and probably the Tomlinson non-scoring streak and unpopularity with some supporters, and the loan ending situation. Otherwise my guess would be only one of the dynamic duo would have played and the other would have been on the bench.
As it happened, the team was spot on for the opposition and Hurst certainly deserves a lot of credit for sending the players out with the right attitude and keeping them going full tilt for 90 minutes.
The strikers have got most of the attention and headlines but in some ways the most interesting part of Tuesday's performance was the way the rest of the team played. The central midfield particularly played at least 10 yards further forward than they have been doing in most games and they kept to that more or less for the 90 minutes. The full backs supported the wingers and forced the opposition back. Obviously Halifax ain't very good and it might be a different story perhaps against better teams but it was noticeable. It seems to me that Bogle/Amond are instrumental in that simply because they are both such good players with abilities Tomlinson just doesn't have. It's not only running that counts, it's intelligent movement. They bring wingers and midfield into the game as a result. They also make more room for the rest by frightening defenders and dragging more defenders to them. Goal 5 was the best example of the night when the final pass meant Clay had so much space to just place his shot.
Of course that works both ways. Once the midfield is pushing up it helps the strikers and that aspect has been absent for long periods in games this season and last and hence the overdoing of the long ball looking for LJL and this year Monkhouse.
That makes it all the more puzzling to me as to why they have been left out for so long. Injuries are only a bit of the story I suspect. But if the manager wanted to make a point it didn't need all these missing games to do it, and if he wanted them to learn it seems a bit odd to not let them learn on the pitch. I'm all for taking the long term view but such decisions have cost points and could have cost more points that I hope we don't need later on. It will be interesting to see what the team selection is for the next two games especially if Pittman is available. More of the same and tonking Torquay by a good score would be a great workout and confidence boost for the Cheltenham game.
Excellent post. Some good points, well reasoned.
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JPP's turn to sit on the bench, fully recover, and be breathing down both of the other two strikers necks.
This type of challenge, play well, score or be dropped will keep the forwards really keen for the full season, and I would expect all 3 to make it to 20 goals at least, given the amount of games each plays moving on.
I also expect Arnold to probably go into the 10 to 15 mark with current form on his return. if Diz then gets his customary 10, then we should have sufficient fire power across the board.
The mobility of the back 4 is now enhanced with Conor returning, with no disrespect to either of the other backs. With the youth and vitality, passing and mobility coming into most areas, the signs are looking good for a decent winning run to come together.
Fear no one, let them fear our players, and then unleash the bench to refresh the team late on to maintain the pace and style. Strong defense, harder midfield, great forwards - now go for clean sheets and good goals for ratios.
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I wonder if his natural cautiousness led him to feel some games, like Wrexham, were 'must not lose'. Maybe if we'd been more positive we'd have picked up more points but we'll never know. Ultimately, one way or another we're on a good run, climbing the table and getting closer to FGR. Just need to keep going.
Absolutely. There was clearly a caution factor if not a fear factor at work. That's why I said elsewhere it will be interesting to see the team selection for the next two games. Particularly Cheltenham.
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I also expect Arnold to probably go into the 10 to 15 mark with current form on his return. if Diz then gets his customary 10, then we should have sufficient fire power across the board.
I don't think there is much chance that Disley will get near 10 goals this season. He's got just one goal so far and I think this is because he has been playing a good bit deeper this season than in the past couple of years. Hopefully, this shouldn't be an issue as we have plenty of forwards and wingers who should get the goals we need. If we can get Arnold scoring over 10 goals, Monkhouse around 10, Marshall and Mackreth getting a few and some from the defenders at set pieces, we ought to have enough in attack to mount a proper challenge this year with the forwards we have (plus another signing in due course). Last season we were too reliant on LJL until the arrival of Palmer half way through the season. P.S. Defence, please. We're not Americans.
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Deeeeeeeeee-fense.
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I don't think there is much chance that Disley will get near 10 goals this season. He's got just one goal so far and I think this is because he has been playing a good bit deeper this season than in the past couple of years. Hopefully, this shouldn't be an issue as we have plenty of forwards and wingers who should get the goals we need. If we can get Arnold scoring over 10 goals, Monkhouse around 10, Marshall and Mackreth getting a few and some from the defenders at set pieces, we ought to have enough in attack to mount a proper challenge this year with the forwards we have (plus another signing in due course). Last season we were too reliant on LJL until the arrival of Palmer half way through the season. P.S. Defence, please. We're not Americans.
I got myself so worked up after seeing that spelling I thought I might need to call a mortician
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I got myself so worked up after seeing that spelling I thought I might need to call a mortician
That would be a good trick Barra. Not many people have managed to call a mortician after they've snuffed it. I think I'll now go and fill my pail from the faucet before I kick it!
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I reckon Podge needs his own song... "Podge Amond wooooaaho Podge Amond wooooaaho He's Irish so be told, His boots are leaking goals" Etc etc. I'll get my coat.
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If 'goals' and 'told' rhymed that still wouldn't be very good Les
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If 'goals' and 'told' rhymed that still wouldn't be very good Les
Isn't it called assonance or something, when words nearly rhyme? Vague memories of boring English lessons.
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