new stadium funding

It seems that the council are in talks with the government over some funding for the Freeman Street stadium project.

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/council-reveals-funding-talks-new-3907043

Step in the right direction?

Quoted from mimma

It seems that the council are in talks with the government over some funding for the Freeman Street stadium project.

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/council-reveals-funding-talks-new-3907043

Step in the right direction?

Deputy council leader JF asks Boris very nicely 'Can I please have £25 million for a new footy pitch for the local football club.......which I happen to own?'

Worth a try, I guess.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Deputy council leader JF asks Boris very nicely 'Can I please have £25 million for a new footy pitch for the local football club.......which I happen to own?'

Worth a try, I guess.

But I’m conveniently no longer chairman of 🤷🏼‍♂️

For all the abuse Fenty gets I actually like the fella, and if he pulls an effectively free new stadium out the bag here, after bringing Ollie in, then stepping down to avoid the conflict of interest.....it will be nothing short of a masterstroke.

Haven’t we been over the conflict of interest thing already...it makes no difference. He owns the club...natural conflict.

Ya can go cap in hand to the government for cash but it takes time. One would’ve hoped these things would’ve been applied for and been planned for already...

Quoted from mimma

It seems that the council are in talks with the government over some funding for the Freeman Street stadium project.

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/council-reveals-funding-talks-new-3907043

Step in the right direction?

“ Leader of North East Lincolnshire Council, Councillor Philip Jackson said no cash earmarked for the Great Grimsby Town Deal will be used to support the plan for a new community stadium.”

So exactly what I said ages ago...

“But during the visit by Communities Secretary Robert Jenrick to Grimsby to promote the Government's £3.6billion Towns Fund yesterday, the Leader said North East Lincolnshire Council will be bidding for a large share of those Central Government funds”

So the council are in exactly the same position as every other council in the country in that they can BID for a handout from the Bread & Circuses fund for some improvements to their towns.

The PR trip appears to have had the desired effect though, people getting excited about precisely nothing...

You old cynic you...

The telegraph aren’t daft, they know that GTFC are almost the only thing in town that will get regular traffic through their junk website, so anything they can tie in to the club or the new stadium is perfect for them.

“£3m for a new footbridge and road improvements” is a harder sell, especially when you’re there to write puff pieces for the Tories.

Quoted from aldi_01

Haven’t we been over the conflict of interest thing already...it makes no difference. He owns the club...natural conflict.

Ya can go cap in hand to the government for cash but it takes time. One would’ve hoped these things would’ve been applied for and been planned for already...

Nothing is in place. Zero. Just a wish list that they hope the government will pay for.

Funds like these are notoriously difficult to get put in place with all the hoops you have to jump through.

Councillor Jackson says a lot but has anything ever been started let alone finished? All the buzz words are in there but it would be nice if we had a clear plan about what exactly they are trying to achieve.  Everything always seems to be at the embryonic stage.

Every street I walk down even close to the town centre looks like a tip with litter everywhere so if they cant sort that out I wouldn't trust them with fantasy regeneration.

Can't see why the Government would stump up cash towards a football stadium, community related or not. 20 million plus is a lot of money to try and pull together and as ska pointed out, none of the current pot they have is earmarked for a new ground. I just can't see where the funding is going to come from. Hope i'm wrong...

get rid of HS2  and there would be billions available.

Quoted from ginnywings

Can't see why the Government would stump up cash towards a football stadium, community related or not. 20 million plus is a lot of money to try and pull together and as ska pointed out, none of the current pot they have is earmarked for a new ground. I just can't see where the funding is going to come from. Hope i'm wrong...

They had no problem with West Ham?

Can the club apply for grants from the FA and  EFL ?

I am sure they are available but could be wrong,

It has been known  

Quoted from 4055

get rid of HS2  and there would be billions available.

Yes, for alternative public transport projects, not league two football grounds.

So Mr Fenty owns the football club, who really need a new ground, nice Mr Boris says no problem, here’s your 20/25 million. If that scenario was to pan out somewhere along the path it has to be decided who owns the new ground, cannot even see a Tory government giving all that money and then the new ground belonging to the share holders of the club.

Bear in mind that the Towns Fund is to be split between 100 different towns (I think that's what I read). Probably not too much of that going to be available.

Against the backdrop of central government funding for N.E. Lincs dropping £9 million per year since 2017/18 with more to come from next year (£2 million or so, instead heading to those poor, impoverished areas such as Surrey), we are talking chicken feed.

Don't buy the bullshit, look at the numbers. If somebody takes £11 out of your pocket and gives you the chance to perhaps get £4 back, they aren't doing you a favour.

Not to mention higher priority areas at the council that don’t include children’s services on its bottom....

Whilst some funding will undoubtedly be available, the question remains...just where does £20m come from?

Quoted from PoutonStepover

But I’m conveniently no longer chairman of 🤷🏼‍♂️

For all the abuse Fenty gets I actually like the fella, and if he pulls an effectively free new stadium out the bag here, after bringing Ollie in, then stepping down to avoid the conflict of interest.....it will be nothing short of a masterstroke.

It doesn't matter whether Fenty ever attends another club board meeting, never sets foot in Blundell Park again, or starts supporting Scunthorpe. He owns 40 odd per cent of the club and the club owe him north of £1.5m. If the government give the club the money to build a new stadium it will benefit him (and other shareholders) personally. The only way for it not to be a conflict of interest is if he had no role in the council that gets the ground built or if he sold up his shares.

Grimsby Telegraph,s smoke and mirrors, remember the 70s headlines, North sea oil bonanza, all in the area will get their gas almost free of charge lol

Surely someone must have contact With Ms D Abbott. If she could just lend us her magic money tree for a couple of hours we could have a new ground, training complex, hotel, swimming pool, university, and still have enough to spare for two new hospitals.  

I thought it was the left who weren’t supposed to have a sense of humour?

Quoted from Civvy at last

Surely someone must have contact With Ms D Abbott. If she could just lend us her magic money tree for a couple of hours we could have a new ground, training complex, hotel, swimming pool, university, and still have enough to spare for two new hospitals.  

Shouldn't need the two new hospitals.  

Got £350 million a week to build as many as we want, plus those 50,000 31,000 extra nurses.  

Quoted from diehardmariner

Shouldn't need the two new hospitals.  

Got £350 million a week to build as many as we want, plus those 50,000 31,000 extra nurses.  

Yeah, but there's no point anyway. No medicine getting into the country, all European flights banned, 20 mile queues at Dover and complete financial meltdown,,,

Oh,

Hang on  

Quoted from Chrisblor

Yes, for alternative public transport projects, not league two football grounds.

it wouldnt cost 115 billion to update, so some left over for projects perhaps

I was of the impression the council would own the stadium outright but rent it to the football club on a 99 year lease for a peppercorn rate with the premise that the council can stage events there when it’s not in use as a football stadium, hence the use of the phrase ‘community’ stadium.

Maybe if black and white bear actually paid for iFollow we could finally get this project off the ground.

Quoted from Civvy at last

Yeah, but there's no point anyway. No medicine getting into the country, all European flights banned, 20 mile queues at Dover and complete financial meltdown,,,

Oh,

Hang on  

Let's see what happens come 1st January when the transition period ends. We're effectively still part of the EU until then.

Hopefully the clowns now in charge can negotiate something approaching a sensible agreement, but no indication that this will be the case just yet.

[quote

Don't buy the bullshit, look at the numbers. If somebody takes £11 out of your pocket and gives you the chance to perhaps get £4 back, they aren't doing you a favour.[/quote]

Like you get rid of 20'000 police then a few years later say we will have 20.000 more police on the streets.

Quite right, Pete.

Don't believe anything they (any politician) say at face value until you see the numbers. Of course, to do this, you're reliant on the media reporting when they are being disingenuous and they don't tend to bother these days.

If it’s a community stadium owned by the council it will eventually become another strain on the tax payers of Grimsby because as far as I understand very few leisure facilities run by any council break even never mind make money. There again after 5 years of losses the council might just give the club the stadium just to get rid.

Quoted from Gaffer58

If it’s a community stadium owned by the council it will eventually become another strain on the tax payers of Grimsby because as far as I understand very few leisure facilities run by any council break even never mind make money. There again after 5 years of losses the council might just give the club the stadium just to get rid.

Owned by the council, ran by the club

Quoted from Gaffer58

If it’s a community stadium owned by the council it will eventually become another strain on the tax payers of Grimsby because as far as I understand very few leisure facilities run by any council break even never mind make money. There again after 5 years of losses the council might just give the club the stadium just to get rid.

According to that then obviously community stadia don't work and aren't commercialy viable.

Quoted from Civvy at last

Surely someone must have contact With Ms D Abbott. If she could just lend us her magic money tree for a couple of hours we could have a new ground, training complex, hotel, swimming pool, university, and still have enough to spare for two new hospitals.  

And you are the first to moan about people bringing politics into things. Physician heal thyself.

FFS why should the tax payer have to fund Fentydome? I love my Club but it is not a NGO or charity. I pay my taxes to fund welfare, NHS and education. I buy a season ticket to fund my Club. I don’t believe the Club has been marketed and valued openly as as a going concern.

Do you think Boris Johnson seriously thinks about Grimsby?

Quoted from KingstonMariner

It doesn't matter whether Fenty ever attends another club board meeting, never sets foot in Blundell Park again, or starts supporting Scunthorpe. He owns 40 odd per cent of the club and the club owe him north of £1.5m. If the government give the club the money to build a new stadium it will benefit him (and other shareholders) personally. The only way for it not to be a conflict of interest is if he had no role in the council that gets the ground built or if he sold up his shares.

JF would be excluded from any Council discussions or decision making as regards a new football ground therefore there would be no conflict of interest. This principle applies to all levels of governance, both local and national.

Quoted from 28195

Do you think Boris Johnson seriously thinks about Grimsby?

Corrected for you

Quoted from rancido

JF would be excluded from any Council discussions or decision making as regards a new football ground therefore there would be no conflict of interest. This principle applies to all levels of governance, both local and national.

Can you explain how the Deputy Leader of the Council and portfolio holder for regeneration is going to be removed from any discussions that will influence the area’s biggest regeneration project?

So that’ll include site allocation, policy, budgeting (i.e council tax), wider infrastructure, transport, funding, housing and jobs, just off the top of my head.

If he really wanted to avoid a conflict of interest he’d either sell his stake in the club or step down from his cushy position at NELC. Sounds like he wants to have his cake baked by Joe Public, eat it then pretend he’s not had any cake at all.

Quoted from 28195

FFS why should the tax payer have to fund Fentydome? I love my Club but it is not a NGO or charity. I pay my taxes to fund welfare, NHS and education. I buy a season ticket to fund my Club. I don’t believe the Club has been marketed and valued openly as as a going concern.

Do you think Boris Johnson seriously thinks about Grimsby?

Has any PM/MP apart from the incumbent one thought seriously about Grimsby?

Quoted from rancido

According to that then obviously community stadia don't work and aren't commercialy viable.

I've no idea but are there any community stadia in the Football League?

Quoted from arryarryarry

Has any PM/MP apart from the incumbent one thought seriously about Grimsby?

Only if they are visiting and then only very briefly.

However, they should all be thinking about helping the poorer areas of the country to become prosperous. Cutting the block grant to poor councils and redistributing funds to wealthier areas doesn't seem the best way to do this.

Quoted from ska face

Can you explain how the Deputy Leader of the Council and portfolio holder for regeneration is going to be removed from any discussions that will influence the area’s biggest regeneration project?

So that’ll include site allocation, policy, budgeting (i.e council tax), wider infrastructure, transport, funding, housing and jobs, just off the top of my head.

If he really wanted to avoid a conflict of interest he’d either sell his stake in the club or step down from his cushy position at NELC. Sounds like he wants to have his cake baked by Joe Public, eat it then pretend he’s not had any cake at all.

He can be involved in discussions and decisions regarding the regeneration up to the point of the proposed ground. There are legal precedents and rules governing this. You might not understand this but it is a fact. In the same way, MPs who have business interests ie shareholdings, directorships etc, are not allowed to be on select committees, procurement processes etc have to declare their business interests and not be allowed in Government decision making. Say I had shares in one of the local wind energy firms then would that prevent me from being a NEL councillor?

Either way - at various points he’s going to be privy to information/conversations along the process - be it official or unofficial- from both sides of the fence.

I know some want the ground to happen and don’t care what it takes to get it - but if you look at the circumstances from outside in - JF’s position are going to be seen as an objectionable one, by those against ground, and used accordingly. It presents a hurdle that doesn’t need to be jumped.

Many will jump at any opportunity to stop/delay process - as seen before - so why assist??

*for the record I see this going on and on and on..be it because of funding, appeals, planning, whatever.

Quoted from rancido

JF would be excluded from any Council discussions or decision making as regards a new football ground therefore there would be no conflict of interest. This principle applies to all levels of governance, both local and national.

Yes I know that. He said he was stepping back [partly] to avoid a conflict of interest - this is clearly ballcocks because stepping back from running the club makes no difference.

In effect he’d have to take a step back from some council duties.

Quoted from rancido

He can be involved in discussions and decisions regarding the regeneration up to the point of the proposed ground. There are legal precedents and rules governing this. You might not understand this but it is a fact. In the same way, MPs who have business interests ie shareholdings, directorships etc, are not allowed to be on select committees, procurement processes etc have to declare their business interests and not be allowed in Government decision making. Say I had shares in one of the local wind energy firms then would that prevent me from being a NEL councillor?

No it wouldn’t. But the fact you don’t get involved in running the energy firm makes no difference to the conflict of interest issue in council. You’d still own those shares which is all it takes.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Yes I know that. He said he was stepping back [partly] to avoid a conflict of interest - this is clearly ballcocks because stepping back from running the club makes no difference.

In effect he’d have to take a step back from some council duties.

Well just wait and see what happens.

Quoted from arryarryarry

I've no idea but are there any community stadia in the Football League?

Stadia owned by councils that I can think of off the top of my head:
Hull
West Ham
Manchester City
Huddersfield
Brighton
Newcastle

and googling more:
Swansea
Wolves
Notts Forest
Ipswich
Barnsley
Swindon
Luton
Colchester
Leyton Orient
Crawley
Fleetwood

Quoted from KingstonMariner

No it wouldn’t. But the fact you don’t get involved in running the energy firm makes no difference to the conflict of interest issue in council. You’d still own those shares which is all it takes.

Does that mean that MP's cannot  own shares or be directors/stakeholders in any companies because it could be a conflict of interest.?