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ginnywings
December 9, 2020, 12:06pm

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But by the end of January we won’t be able to do anything about it. We’ll be relying on Holloway to get the recruitment right (having fouled it up in the first place), which arguably will be harder to do than over the summer.

The question is, do you trust Holloway to get it right? To be honest I don’t. I wouldn’t be surprised if he walked in January (in a similar manner to his Palace departure) after he’s failed to turn it around and struggled to recruit adequately. When the going gets tough, Holloway struggles to turn things around, as shown by his track record. He doesn’t fare well in relegation battles either.

The direction that we’re heading in is clear and if we’re to stand a chance of fighting off relegation, we need a manager that can solidify the defence and build from there. Since Holloway joined, we’ve shipped goals left, right and centre and we currently have the second worst goal difference in the league.


Yep, he could fail, but the operative word is could. He could also bring in a Billy Clarke and Josh Benson like he did previously. I'm not convinced that the recruitment in the summer was entirely the fault of IH. It's clear the players he wanted didn't fancy the covid clause and the players we should have kept were let go too easily and with short sightedness. We got it wrong, he's admitted that much. I think he can still put it right but appreciate others have lost faith. Years and years of failure has made us a pessimistic fan base, fearing the worst.

One thing I do know is changing managers hasn't worked in the past and any other manager would have the same problems to contend with, as well as having to get up to speed with everything else.

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So you want him to inject cash and therefore increase the benign loan everyone is constantly bleating about?


Its either that or be relegated, so yes!
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With largely someone else’s team.

Let’s not forget the season before he nearly got us relegated, Slade did well in the final few games of the season. But similarly to Holloway, in his first full season, his recruitment was poor and tactics all over the place.


But Slade inherited a good enough squad the year before.

Holloway didn’t and brought in Clarke, Benson, Grandin and Glennon and turned around what was already here. The comparison to slade is Miles off


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Look at the win ratios. Holloway is rapidly approaching Slade's figure. Football under Jolley was boring and defensive but ultimately we won more games, and probably had more attempts on goal as well.

Bignot 33.3%
Slade 25.6%
Jolley 36.7%
Holloway 29.4%


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Can we even inject cash with a salary cap? Suppose we could use cash to pay off contracts and free up some budget that way. Don't think we can pay transfer fees with the Prem money that's coming our way, so that's out. As if we would pay a fee for anyone anyway.
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I could count the quality players on one hand almost.

I think Mckeown, Pollock, hendrie, rose and scannel are our only real class players

They’ve not all shown it consistently but the rest are rough and not a top end of the table quality
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Look at the win ratios. Holloway is rapidly approaching Slade's figure. Football under Jolley was boring and defensive but ultimately we won more games, and probably had more attempts on goal as well.

Bignot 33.3%
Slade 25.6%
Jolley 36.7%
Holloway 29.4%


That is completely meaningless isn't it? What was Ollies win ratio last season, when he had a normal squad, with players he added without ludicrous covid clauses getting in the way? Give the bloke a chance.

We have been completely hamstrung by events. We made the wrong decisions but we will have to put them right in the January window.
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I would say the next two games will tell us everything we need to know about the possible outcome this season - lose them both and we’re doomed. Win one, there may be some hope. 4 points or more and we’ll all be on the happy bus again.....
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That is completely meaningless isn't it? What was Ollies win ratio last season, when he had a normal squad, with players he added without ludicrous covid clauses getting in the way? Give the bloke a chance.

We have been completely hamstrung by events. We made the wrong decisions but we will have to put them right in the January window.


Absolutely this.

How many windows have they all had and I’m pretty sure only one of those managers had his squad decimated due to a global pandemic and the club taking the decision not to renew contracts.

Slade and Bignot also inherited fairly strong teams. Not promotion challenging ones but definitely comfortable mid table teams. How many losses had we had when Ollie came in?


All Town aren’t we

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Quoted from Mikey_345


But Slade inherited a good enough squad the year before.

Holloway didn’t and brought in Clarke, Benson, Grandin and Glennon and turned around what was already here. The comparison to slade is Miles off


And his recruitment this season has turned us into a far worse team than last season.
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