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We seem to have had a lot of words during the summer yet there seems to be a void in our squad for next season…AGAIN!
No doubt the new owners have the best intentions but with a few exceptions, I’m left wondering how we intend to win games without goals. Happy to be proved wrong.
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We seem to have had a lot of words during the summer yet there seems to be a void in our squad for next season…AGAIN!
No doubt the new owners have the best intentions but with a few exceptions, I’m left wondering how we intend to win games without goals. Happy to be proved wrong.
Think patience is going to be key. Sounds to me we are waiting for a few things to drop in the EFL, which like always will happen later int he window. |
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We seem to have had a lot of words during the summer yet there seems to be a void in our squad for next season…AGAIN!
No doubt the new owners have the best intentions but with a few exceptions, I’m left wondering how we intend to win games without goals. Happy to be proved wrong.
I think the way its said is a bit harsh but I have been thinking for a while after the early positivity over signings we are back to where we always are, at the end of pre-season without a full squad and going into the season with key players, including those already here, without having a full pre-season (or any at all). No doubt in the coming months we'll hear those words "if he had had a full pre-season....." |
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I share your concern but believe we are still awaiting pieces of the puzzle to fall into place and we need EFL clubs to determine which of their players are surplus to requirements.
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Didn't the EFL kick off tonight, what's this big milestone date where , all of a sudden, there's lots of quality EFL rejects waiting to be snapped up? I admit we've had some bad luck in the striking dept pre-season, but I, too, am concerned with the lack of striking options going into the first game of the season, but still remain as hopeful as ever.
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Buying a contracted player is now like buying a house. The selling club won’t release the player until they have signed their replacement. You end up in a chain waiting to complete deals. Players like Charles Vernam & Omar Bogle will become available but it might not be until 31st August or later (no transfer window for National League).
And you can’t doubt the new owners. They funded a full squad to be built whilst paying players like Williams, Jackson, Morais and the conspiracy theory idiot to stay at home.
Realistically we are 2 or 3 short of a full squad with 14 days to go.
Look at League 2 where Swindon have about 10 senior players & Hartlepool not much more and both have to kick-off their season today. We’re in good shape.
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We seem to have had a lot of words during the summer yet there seems to be a void in our squad for next season…AGAIN!
No doubt the new owners have the best intentions but with a few exceptions, I’m left wondering how we intend to win games without goals. Happy to be proved wrong.
A lot of words from who? First thing I’ve heard from Stockwood all summer was a brief interview before the Alfreton match where he said there were a few gaps in the squad. Hurst’s said basically nothing on the transfer front other than he recognises he needs a few more in but they’ll have to be the right ones. Chatting shíte. |
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We seem to have had a lot of words during the summer yet there seems to be a void in our squad for next season…AGAIN!
No doubt the new owners have the best intentions but with a few exceptions, I’m left wondering how we intend to win games without goals. Happy to be proved wrong.
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I wondered when these threads would start…there’ll not be a fan in the land that won’t be worried about their squad.
Everyone’s looking for a striker…
May be getting new owners went to everyone’s head but getting out at the first attempt was always gonna be a tall order, regardless….
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Lumpaldinho wasn't signed until pretty late on in the summer so let's hope an equivalent can be found soon. It is a gamble to sign players later on but, as long as we don't end up with panic signings, hopefully, it will work out. The much later start of the National League season certainly changes the dynamic somewhat, as will the lack of a transfer window.
The one plus point is that any players who are signed from league clubs a bit later on should at least have a proper pre-season behind them so fitness shouldn't be much of a problem. It would just then depend on how quickly they gelled within the squad.
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Why do we have so many injured players in the last few pre-seasons
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Would you accept Williams, Morais or Jackson starting if we did not have others in the building?
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Would you accept Williams, Morais or Jackson starting if we did not have others in the building?
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The people wanting us to go out and fill the squad with more Gibsons and Sisays for the sake of it are the same people that will be moaning that we didn’t wait to sign quality.
It’s August 7th. We have done the bulk of our work. We will sign a centre forward when the right one becomes available at the right price.
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Hurst says we have a "CRISIS IN CONFIDENCE"
No rush but a recognised goalscorer might help.
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We’re the only club looking for a 40 goal striker. Apparently.
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A 15-20 goal a season would do let’s be realistic 🐟🐟🐟😂
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Five would be an improvement on last year’s crop (or should that be crap)!!
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The injuries probably compound the situation but there's a couple of weeks to go all that said I'd like to see an addition or two next week.
Just to add I don't think anyone has talked anything up regarding transfer targets/squad additions so the OP feels a bit off the mark IMHO.
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Would you accept Williams, Morais or Jackson starting if we did not have others in the building?
Have these been given squad numbers or have they just been left to rot -to me these players haven't really done anything wrong - it's not their fault they are shite but they are better than some of those that played last week |
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The injuries probably compound the situation but there's a couple of weeks to go all that said I'd like to see an addition or two next week.
Just to add I don't think anyone has talked anything up regarding transfer targets/squad additions so the OP feels a bit off the mark IMHO.
I agree, no-one has talked it up but there are many fans whose optimism has been raised by happenings off the pitch …… and none of us have wanted to curmudgeon things. But just think what the reaction on here to the current squad situation would have been if we did not have new owners. Both Hurst and Fenty would have been lambasted for dilatoriness and tight purse strings. |
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Have these been given squad numbers or have they just been left to rot -to me these players haven't really done anything wrong - it's not their fault they are shite but they are better than some of those that played last week
Matter of opinion and mine is Jackson isn't good enough, Williams is a fanny and Morais was good for about 20 mins and should have been binned with Payne. |
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Matter of opinion and mine is Jackson isn't good enough, Williams is a fanny and Morais was good for about 20 mins and should have been binned with Payne.
Morais was binned. He hasn’t played since Bradford, won’t play again and is effectively no longer part of the squad. The only difference between him and Payne is that his contract ran until the end of this season. |
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What's happening with those players? Do they train with the yoofs? Or do they just get to sit at home watching Homes Under the Hammer? (which can't be great in terms of clubs wanting to take them)
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We seem to have had a lot of words during the summer yet there seems to be a void in our squad for next season…AGAIN!
No doubt the new owners have the best intentions but with a few exceptions, I’m left wondering how we intend to win games without goals. Happy to be proved wrong.
Totally unfair this post. They have done so much in so little time. Do not under estimate what they have achieved in such a short space of time. The very foundations of this club need repairing and it’s a huge task!! Bankrolling everything doesn’t guarantee anything! |
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Morais was binned. He hasn’t played since Bradford, won’t play again and is effectively no longer part of the squad. The only difference between him and Payne is that his contract ran until the end of this season.
I get that, personally at the time I think they should have both been terminated, from a HR perspective there was a strong case. From a football perspective I doubt anyone would have had the stones. |
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I agree and i don't.
We do seem to always go into every season without the striker we need, its become something that this club does which is frustrating, yes i get that every one is trying to sign a striker but we don't seem to learn that being light in that department always costs us early on.
Would be nice to be going in the season with more firepower up top especially with the injuries, i don't want to see makeshift players doing a job so they say just to make do.
The argument will be well everyone is trying to sign the same player my argument is well we need to learn from our mistakes pay a bit more if needs be as the past seasons prove we always are light up top.
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Would you accept Williams, Morais or Jackson starting if we did not have others in the building?
Absolutely, as they look better than we currently have available for selection. Hopefully Hurst will be quite pragmatic about this and if it comes to playing youth team striker or utilising players that have fallen out of favour pragmatism is the way for me |
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Everything has to be relaxed. The only thing that matters are the results in the league games and these have not started yet.
This level of football, the cup games do not matter, in fact I will not even bother going to them
Therefore in my mind no need to panic, if we get six games in and we have been lousy then Hurst will deserve a kicking but until that point no problem
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Totally unfair this post. They have done so much in so little time. Do not under estimate what they have achieved in such a short space of time. The very foundations of this club need repairing and it’s a huge task!!
Bankrolling everything doesn’t guarantee anything!
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still 2 weeks to the start of the season and crying like a female dog about not having a full squad. Christ.
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If, and its a big if, most of the players in the squad were fit and ready for the start of the season i am pretty sure most people would be happy.. eg. Taylor or LJL up front supported by two wide players from Sousa, McAtee, Wright, Grant or Scannell...
The trouble is we arn"t going to start like that and will not have had the pre season to gel the players together because of those injuries...
Why have we had so many injuries? Poor training, weak players, players with bad history of being injured or just bad luck... Maybe its a bit of all of that...
Are the owners responsible for this? No. Is the manager responsible? Maybe for some of it as he signed some of the known injury hit players...
What i do know is players need support and thats down to us... What we have got will get better with our support so lets get out there and back our team, warts and all....
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Well if this is what we get on here because we haven't got a number 9 two weeks before the season starts, what happens when we lose a game?
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Good strikers cost big bucks ask wrexham 👍
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I agree and i don't.
We do seem to always go into every season without the striker we need, its become something that this club does which is frustrating, yes i get that every one is trying to sign a striker but we don't seem to learn that being light in that department always costs us early on.
Would be nice to be going in the season with more firepower up top especially with the injuries, i don't want to see makeshift players doing a job so they say just to make do.
The argument will be well everyone is trying to sign the same player my argument is well if needs be as the past seasons prove we always are light up top.
we need to learn from our mistakes pay a bit more
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If, and its a big if, most of the players in the squad were fit and ready for the start of the season i am pretty sure most people would be happy.. eg. Taylor or LJL up front supported by two wide players from Sousa, McAtee, Wright, Grant or Scannell...
The trouble is we arn"t going to start like that and will not have had the pre season to gel the players together because of those injuries...
Why have we had so many injuries? Poor training, weak players, players with bad history of being injured or just bad luck... Maybe its a bit of all of that...
Are the owners responsible for this? No. Is the manager responsible? Maybe for some of it as he signed some of the known injury hit players...
What i do know is players need support and thats down to us... What we have got will get better with our support so lets get out there and back our team, warts and all....
A lot of good points but one is missing. We now have some very decent trainng and treatment facilities but they seem to have made bu99er all difference to the number of injuries and time out for players. |
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The title of the post is ridiculous. Don't remember any commitment to a huge budget and haven't seen anything which makes me think they're not doing as promised. Concern about lack of firepower with a fortnight until the season starts is fair but the post and title aren't.
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Would you accept Williams, Morais or Jackson starting if we did not have others in the building?
I would have Jackson starting today so he is fit for Bromley, in case we dont get LJL/Taylor fit or a new striker in time, as starting with Adlard or Essel up front would be stupid they are not at the level needed yet to start matches; and certainly not as good as Ira yet. |
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I would have Jackson starting today so he is fit for Bromley, in case we dont get LJL/Taylor fit or a new striker in time, as starting with Adlard or Essel up front would be stupid they are not at the level needed yet to start matches; and certainly not as good as Ira yet.
Spot on the two lads mentioned aren’t up to it yet maybe they will get there but for now not the required standard , without a decent number 9 mid table finish but still plenty of time to bag one like others have said |
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I would have Jackson starting today so he is fit for Bromley, in case we dont get LJL/Taylor fit or a new striker in time, as starting with Adlard or Essel up front would be stupid they are not at the level needed yet to start matches; and certainly not as good as Ira yet.
Pure insanity. One pre-season game makes Ira fit, one pre-season game gets Ira up to speed playing with a new squad. Ira wasn't good enough full stop. Can we forget about him as if he's some raw misjudged untapped talent. He just isn't. If we're a striker or two short next week, Hurst will play McAtee or Grant, or both more advanced.. Let's stop with these silly Ira posts and stop being so soppy over a nice interview he did once upon a time... |
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If the players who have been ditched were hot property, they'd already be with other clubs wouldn't they?
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I'd rather the new lot spent money on players rather than the training ground, sprinklers and fan zones, they're proving to be no different to the last ownership in that respect. (I'd also rather they'd spent money on a manager too but we are stuck with him now until maybe Christmas anyway)
When / if we ever get a striker are we going to spend a few quid or will he be another desperate for a club free agent ?
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Pure insanity. One pre-season game makes Ira fit, one pre-season game gets Ira up to speed playing with a new squad. Ira wasn't good enough full stop. Can we forget about him as if he's some raw misjudged untapped talent. He just isn't.
If we're a striker or two short next week, Hurst will play McAtee or Grant, or both more advanced..
Let's stop with these silly Ira posts and stop being so soppy over a nice interview he did once upon a time...
Im not saying he is hot property its just he is way ahead of Adlard and Essel in ability etc. so stupid not to use him instead of them if we don't have fit strikers on Day1 and therefore needs to play in friendlies to get match fit. Have you seen him play against a conference side? how do you know for sure he can't hold his own at this level? I have seen Adlard and Essel play against part timers in leagues below us twice and both were out of there depth. |
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When / if we ever get a striker are we going to spend a few quid or will he be another desperate for a club free agent ?
I thought I'd read that there was/is a fee involved with McAtee. If true then we've already spent money on a striker from a higher division, so slightly unfair to cast the new owners under the same umbrella as JF. People need to calm down a bit, it is not in the slightest bit unusual that clubs are still looking for players whilst the transfer window is still open, and that loads of clubs have to wait until the final days to get their targets. |
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Im not saying he is hot property its just he is way ahead of Adlard and Essel in ability etc. so stupid not to use him instead of them if we don't have fit strikers on Day1 and therefore needs to play in friendlies to get match fit. Have you seen him play against a conference side? how do you know for sure he can't hold his own at this level? I have seen Adlard and Essel play against part timers in leagues below us twice and both were out of there depth.
I've seen Jackson play and I've seen Conference sides play. I don't need to see them on the same pitch to know that Ira isn't good enough. I'm with Hurst on that judgement. Adlard and Essel may be young but they've already got more tactical awareness. Again, as I said.. Adlard, Essel or Jackson won't be starting at Bromley, Hurst will 100% pick more senior players in advanced positions and wouldn't have given a second thought to Ira being anywhere near our matchday squad, so your suggestion does sound a little way off reality. Amazing how much a player can do in front of the cameras, albeit not on the pitch, to addle fans' brains.. |
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There's lots of questions but Ira Jackson isn't the answer to any of them. Seemed a nice guy but just not good enough.
Fenty has left us in a massive mess the new guys have been in charge two minutes, let's give it some time FFS.
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Have these been given squad numbers or have they just been left to rot -to me these players haven't really done anything wrong - it's not their fault they are shite but they are better than some of those that played last week
TBF to Morais wasn't shite. Still, not really a striker. He only got sidelined because of the scrap with Payne, who deserved it because he was a lazy illegitimate. |
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I'd rather the new lot spent money on players rather than the training ground, sprinklers and fan zones, they're proving to be no different to the last ownership in that respect. (I'd also rather they'd spent money on a manager too but we are stuck with him now until maybe Christmas anyway)
When / if we ever get a striker are we going to spend a few quid or will he be another desperate for a club free agent ?
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Pure insanity. One pre-season game makes Ira fit, one pre-season game gets Ira up to speed playing with a new squad. Ira wasn't good enough full stop. Can we forget about him as if he's some raw misjudged untapped talent. He just isn't.
If we're a striker or two short next week, Hurst will play McAtee or Grant, or both more advanced..
Let's stop with these silly Ira posts and stop being so soppy over a nice interview he did once upon a time...
Just a few weeks ago Ira was telling everyone on Twitter that, although not wanted, he would still be rocking up for the first day of pre-season. Not seen him in any pictures but seen lots of posts that God will see that he is on the right path in the end so I'm guessing his first day back didn't go as he had hoped. |
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Alot of impatience around - if PH can't find the right players to sign for the opener, we'll get a couple of players on loan. Rather that, than spend our additional budget headroom on sick notes or journeymen just turning out to boost their pension.
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I have faith we will get the right players in eventually. I just wish we had already got them integrated into the squad for the start of the season. Dont want us to be playing catch up.
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Paul Hurst is a died-in-the-wool Yorkshire man and he ain't gonna waste a penny he doesn't have to. He knows the value of stuff and is professional in his outlook. Added to that, he is the most relaxed I have ever seen him, which is the sign of good leadership and someone happy in their work. Its time to rejoice in Grimsby Town folks.
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Am I to take it that you will be happy if we are in the bottom half of the table at Christmas because we have got a fan zone. It's about priorities and what the new lot have spent money on so far aren't. Results matter more than anything else, folk will not venture into BP to see the sprinklers and stand in the rain in the fan zone unless the team are winning games. |
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Am I to take it that you will be happy if we are in the bottom half of the table at Christmas because we have got a fan zone. It's about priorities and what the new lot have spent money on so far aren't. Results matter more than anything else, folk will not venture into BP to see the sprinklers and stand in the rain in the fan zone unless the team are winning games.
Do the owners sign strikers? No the manager does. They may be willing to splurge for all you know but the decisions is hurst. Should we not make any improvements to anything else until we’ve signed our complete squad? |
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Am I to take it that you will be happy if we are in the bottom half of the table at Christmas because we have got a fan zone. It's about priorities and what the new lot have spent money on so far aren't. Results matter more than anything else, folk will not venture into BP to see the sprinklers and stand in the rain in the fan zone unless the team are winning games.
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Am I to take it that you will be happy if we are in the bottom half of the table at Christmas because we have got a fan zone. It's about priorities and what the new lot have spent money on so far aren't. Results matter more than anything else, folk will not venture into BP to see the sprinklers and stand in the rain in the fan zone unless the team are winning games.
But the sprinklers mean we can have the pitch in better condition so that it handles a bad winter. This means we have to spend less money on it in the future and less money compensating travelling teams expenses following a postponement. Most of the Fan Zone has been donated or paid for by the Trust. I'm sure one of the green members like Kristine or Barra will give more info but the board haven't thrown much at it. And you know what, the kind of characters you want to bring into the place should actually care about Cheapside being welcoming and the stadium receiving some overdue TLC. Last thing we want is wage thieves rolling through the door living off their past glories. |
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Im guessing that Hurst will be monitoring other EFL teams, and also maybe Premier league teams, to see who is not picked for the first teams of all clubs above us. There will be a loan or two, I'm sure.
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The new owners have made the initial improvements that both Paul Hurst and the fans have requested. They have made PH fully accountable for the playing squad and given him a decent budget, one which Paul Hurst has said he’s happy with. With a couple of weeks to go there are gaps in the squad, everyone knows it. It’s down to PH to fill those gaps, if he doesn’t and we don’t get off to a good start then IMO it will be PH’s fault and not the owners.
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I simply want to know if anyone thinks the provision of a fan zone and sprinklers is more important than bringing in players and getting results.
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I simply want to know if anyone thinks the provision of a fan zone and sprinklers is more important than bringing in players and getting results.
Why have these things hot to be mutually exclusive. It's all important, it all contributes to the general betterment of the club, the matchday experience and hopefully, eventually, results on the pitch. |
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I simply want to know if anyone thinks the provision of a fan zone and sprinklers is more important than bringing in players and getting results.
Sometimes you have to spend money. I outlined the long-term benefit in my previous reply but lots of postponements means fixture congestion which, in theory, means worse results. If just 25 adults decide to rock up at Blundell Park every week because of the Fan Zone then that earns the club an extra £25k. I think it's possible for forward thinking people to provide a decent budget and make continual improvements alongside that which appears to have happened. If you went for a job interview and it was held in a cold, mouldy and damp office, would you accept the job? Taking it one step further, would you accept that the office was cold, mouldy and damp because they paid top money for the best people in the industry? I know that it would be a massive red flag for me. |
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I simply want to know if anyone thinks the provision of a fan zone and sprinklers is more important than bringing in players and getting results.
You ever thought without improvement off the field we wouldn't attract half decent players?...would Macatee sign, Efete, long-king, Revan?.....Swin, there's another thread about marginal gains and these improvements off the field will give is those gains when competing for signatures against other teams.. |
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You ever thought without improvement off the field we wouldn't attract half decent players?...would Macatee sign, Efete, long-king, Revan?.....Swin, there's another thread about marginal gains and these improvements off the field will give is those gains when competing for signatures against other teams..
But we have had multiple Wembley visits without marginal gains for years... Just don't ask me about our league (and non-league) positions over the last 20 years. |
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The title of the post is ridiculous. Don't remember any commitment to a huge budget and haven't seen anything which makes me think they're not doing as promised. Concern about lack of firepower with a fortnight until the season starts is fair but the post and title aren't.
There’s a question mark for a reason in the title. Only my opinion but a lot has been said and we are still a long way away from filling vital positions given we’ve been in training for nearly six weeks. I’m pretty concerned that we could be playing catch-up by the end of September. |
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Why have these things hot to be mutually exclusive. It's all important, it all contributes to the general betterment of the club, the matchday experience and hopefully, eventually, results on the pitch.
I'll take that as a yes from you then, Personally I think the 'matchday experience' is best served by winning matches and I still can't equate a fan zone for example with that and the improved training facilities and sprinklers will be far behind wages and contracts in the minds of potential match winning signings Its a matter of order of importance I suppose. |
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You ever thought without improvement off the field we wouldn't attract half decent players?...would Macatee sign, Efete, long-king, Revan?.....Swin, there's another thread about marginal gains and these improvements off the field will give is those gains when competing for signatures against other teams..
Players sign for the money and contract on offer, surely you're not telling me the three you mention have signed because of ground improvements we have made, be honest please. |
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Players sign for the money and contract on offer, surely you're not telling me the three you mention have signed because of ground improvements we have made, be honest please.
Not necessarily but it's a contributing factor, if our offer was the same as an opponent then our better facilities swing the deal, that's where I'm coming from...it's known that several players have stated how impressed they were with what we have to offer, sometimes it's the small details that make a big change. |
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Players sign for the money and contract on offer, surely you're not telling me the three you mention have signed because of ground improvements we have made, be honest please.
It's all part of the package. Some people actually have motivations that go beyond money. But is it not possible to back a manager with a good budget and make improvements? |
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Spending money on the ground and training site does.not mean there is no money for players.
When the right players become available the money will be there .
Nobody from the club have said we have spent the budget on material things leaving nothing in the kitty for players.
So let's just relax a bit and we will get the right players in unless of course you want anybody in just to make the numbers up.
Jason and Andrew are shrewd business men who know what they are doing and they have given Paul a budget that he is happy to work with so it's down to him to find the right people .we.just might have to wait a while until they become available.
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I simply want to know if anyone thinks the provision of a fan zone and sprinklers is more important than bringing in players and getting results.
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Couldnt care less - I do expect a excrement load of excuses over the coming months though.
The one about signing lots of new better footballers that will need time to gel is one thats been been brought out in August for go knows how many years.
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Alot of impatience around - if PH can't find the right players to sign for the opener, we'll get a couple of players on loan. Rather that, than spend our additional budget headroom on sick notes or journeymen just turning out to boost their pension.
I really hope so. Any loans need to be able to go 90 minutes or have some USP like pace, physicality or trickery. We tired badly again today and risked Coke and McAtee getting a muscle strain or clogged when things got tetchy second half. Sousa, Fox and McAtee need a bit of protection as we approach the opening league game. Didn't like the look of a strapping on Longe King's thigh today. Hopefully just a precaution. He is our only quick central defender. |
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Swin is right in that if we’re mid table come Xmas questions will start to be asked , no matter what improvements are made off field it’s still a results business. I think we’ll get a play off position but if that doesn’t turn into a promotion expect hurst to be gone. The new regime for all its softly spoken rhetoric I can’t imagine will tolerate failure easily
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Nobody is more ecstatic than me that we have got new owners, but I think the point is unless we fund the playing side to ensure the best possible chance of success on the field, a lot of the new owners' plans will turn to dust.
Obviously, Stockwood and Pettit must know this, and here is their chance to prove it big style. We need that elusive "marquee"* signing, two if I am being greedy to cement all their good work so far.
It is a long time since we signed someone that all the fan base felt would really make a difference, and show a real commitment that we mean business. It is going to be a very competitive league, and whatever the long term ambitions of the owners it is in my view important that we are able to battle for that top spot, and not leave supporters short-changed.
*Marquee signing meaning goalscorers who are in demand at this level; fit and a good age. There are relatively few non-league sides who could attract said marquee signing(s) and the owners should push the boat out to get them here.
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Swin is right in that if we’re mid table come Xmas questions will start to be asked , no matter what improvements are made off field it’s still a results business. I think we’ll get a play off position but if that doesn’t turn into a promotion expect hurst to be gone. The new regime for all its softly spoken rhetoric I can’t imagine will tolerate failure easily
Precisely this. It’s all a bit fluffy and nice at the minute. There’ll be less fans in the fan zone if we don’t start well. |
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Anyone who thinks the new owners will be pushing Hurst to sign anyone will be wrong. Its clear that it just isn’t their style to interfere with the football side of things.
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As the more sensible posters in the past week have tried to explain, there are few goal scoring strikers available who can either drop down from L2 or make the step up from heavily disrupted non-league football.
Everyone at the club, and particularly Hurst and Doig, will be well aware we need attacking reinforcements. This is almost certainly going to come from the loan market.
Unless we are in a relegation battle, Paul Hurst will be here until December 2022 at the earliest, as he has the full support of Stockwood and Pettit. You might not like that. However, you may as well get behind the team until that point because it could make the difference between finishing mid-table or the playoffs.
Only one team will be promoted automatically. It’s unlikely to be us, however much us fans, Hurst and the new owners want it.
That’s nobody’s fault (well, possibly one person but he’s gone now).
Just enjoy the opportunity to watch some live football in person and calm down.
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As the more sensible posters in the past week have tried to explain, there are few goal scoring strikers available who can either drop down from L2 or make the step up from heavily disrupted non-league football.
Everyone at the club, and particularly Hurst and Doig, will be well aware we need attacking reinforcements. This is almost certainly going to come from the loan market.
Unless we are in a relegation battle, Paul Hurst will be here until December 2022 at the earliest, as he has the full support of Stockwood and Pettit. You might not like that. However, you may as well get behind the team until that point because it could make the difference between finishing mid-table or the playoffs.
Only one team will be promoted automatically. It’s unlikely to be us, however much us fans, Hurst and the new owners want it.
That’s nobody’s fault (well, possibly one person but he’s gone now).
Just enjoy the opportunity to watch some live football in person and calm down.
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First of all, I asked a question. Second, I’m happy to be proved wrong. Third, I’d like to be watching live League football as soon as possible.
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Is it worth waiting to see if we're excrement before deciding what to do and when? I'm sure the owners didn't expect a long honeymoon period but maybe we could give it until half time at Bromley and if it's still 0-0 we can march on the town hall then?
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Is it worth waiting to see if we're excrement before deciding what to do and when? I'm sure the owners didn't expect a long honeymoon period but maybe we could give it until half time at Bromley and if it's still 0-0 we can march on the town hall then?
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I long for the glory days of half-time at Cheltenham, August 2009. We were gonna píss that tin pot league.
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Well what’s your answer to your own question?
Why would I ask a question if I knew the answer? There’s a lot of hype and hope but I remember PH saying that he wanted his squad in place ready for pre season. |
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What hype?
Odd behaviour making stuff up just to disagree with it.
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What hype?
Odd behaviour making stuff up just to disagree with it.
Technical term for that is a 'Pontoonlew paradigm'. |
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This is where Hurst does his usual.. Nothing on the horizon not a word and all of a sudden up pops a player he has waited for , Usually someone no one had thought of . He works that way that is Hurst
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Why would I ask a question if I knew the answer? There’s a lot of hype and hope but I remember PH saying that he wanted his squad in place ready for pre season.
You seem to want your cake and eat it. Have a good old loan but say “it was a question”. But it’s a question that you’re not prepared to answer. |
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It's also about improved facilities that encourage attendance that then gives you more money to sign players - although swin wouldn't give a shine about that as he doesn't attend home games. So why should he give a excrement about fans having a better experience, as he isn't actually an attending fan. Thought you had copulated off swin?
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I like a loan and a moan!
On a serious note, I’m all in favour of off field improvements but, and it remains a question, isn’t the most important job to create a squad that’s capable of restoring the club to the EFL?
Sorry if I’m not towing the party line, but I’m concerned that we’re being blinded by BS.
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It’s not BS though is it if they’ve literally already made improvements to the playing surface and the training ground. Having the right facilities to maximise what you get out of the squad is so important, that’s exactly why Lincoln spent most of their FA Cup money on their new training ground.
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I like a loan and a moan!
On a serious note, I’m all in favour of off field improvements but, and it remains a question, isn’t the most important job to create a squad that’s capable of restoring the club to the EFL?
Sorry if I’m not towing the party line, but I’m concerned that we’re being blinded by BS.
But what BS? I’ve not heard any. Before S&P even took over I said the club was like a stricken, leaky oil tanker. It will take time to sort this mess out. |
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But what BS?
I’ve not heard any.
Before S&P even took over I said the club was like a stricken, leaky oil tanker. It will take time to sort this mess out.
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What’s acceptable then in terms of non league football? Three years? Five years? More?
It'll take what it takes, but maybe give it a few months before you start sh1tting your nappy - the season hasn't started yet. |
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Haven't won a single competitive game since those charlatans took over.
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What a bizarre thread…🤷♂️
Panic mode set in and the season not even started.
The anti Hurst section getting warmed up already, just waiting for the first slip up.
‘I told you so’ already saved waiting to go..
For a bit of balance - maybe common sense - maybe a level headed thought/approach - the truth lies somewhere between those hoping for a quick return to FL, blowing everyone away - and the ones just waiting for the aforementioned ‘told you so’
The ground was in a horrible state, left to rot by the previous owner. Along with the training ‘ground’. They both needed looking at. To attract players - and god knows it’s hard enough already - you need to offer a decent setting, and facilities others have. As has been said before - the training ground is where they spend a lot of time. The ground needed attention - almost every fan who attended when can bemoaned the facilities, condition etc - or said the match day experience wasn’t great. It’s not an overnight fix - it’ll take time, on and off pitch. There’s people whom are putting in a lot of work for the benefit of others, a fair few voluntarily - that should be applauded - not knocked, or deemed ‘unnecessary’..
Furthermore- I’ve not seen any claim from new owners, board or manager that has stated we are doing improvements at the ground/Cheapside but that’ll hinder the season prospects financially. Or have I missed something??
I know we all want town to do well..and it’s been frustrating watching us dive headfirst out the league from tv/pc screens..but can we not just, even for a week or so, look forward to this season..and being able to attend again??
This shouldn’t be a time for looking for negatives..it should all be positive..
The season won’t be all wins and smashing the league..nor will it be all doom and gloom.. it’ll be a work in progress..but there’s time to get better as we go.. new squad will take time.. additions will come in along the way..and we’ll be alright one way or another.
If the last year or more has taught us anything - it’s things change..and we should enjoy the time and experiences we have whilst we can.
I’m absolutely certain that we’ll be in a better position with things as they are now, compared to a year ago.
Fast start..slow start…don’t panic.
After all..we’re all Town aren’t we??
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What’s acceptable then in terms of non league football? Three years? Five years? More?
It's such a tough league to get out of. Chopping and changing managers hasn't done Notts County or Chesterfield any favours has it? I want to be out at the first time of asking but there are at least 8 teams that think they deserve promotion too. This season we have signed 13 players and counting so anticipate a less than ideal season. Next season, the pressure cranks up significantly I think if we are still down here. |
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As the more sensible posters in the past week have tried to explain, there are few goal scoring strikers available who can either drop down from L2 or make the step up from heavily disrupted non-league football.
Everyone at the club, and particularly Hurst and Doig, will be well aware we need attacking reinforcements. This is almost certainly going to come from the loan market.
Unless we are in a relegation battle, Paul Hurst will be here until December 2022 at the earliest, as he has the full support of Stockwood and Pettit. You might not like that. However, you may as well get behind the team until that point because it could make the difference between finishing mid-table or the playoffs.
Only one team will be promoted automatically. It’s unlikely to be us, however much us fans, Hurst and the new owners want it.
That’s nobody’s fault (well, possibly one person but he’s gone now).
Just enjoy the opportunity to watch some live football in person and calm down.
It was a pleasure to read this objective post. I've never read so many other negative posts as there are on this thread and the season hasn't started. It is plainly obvious that Jason and Andrew have a plan which is taking shape, Hurst knows what he wants and who he wants which is probably why we have no No's 7 & 9. Some have spoken of the money Wrexham is throwing at their team, while wise ones point out how other clubs spent in the NL to get out. A lot of money was spent over a few years that didn't get them promoted immediately and nobody mentioned last year's NL champions Sutton who got promoted on a smaller budget than Chesterfield. On the subject of big-spending the 100 million pound, £300K per week Grealish didn't perform on his losing debut for Man City. Before you say he needs time to gel in the team etc. Pep obviously thought he was ok to be brought on for the last 30 mins of the game otherwise he would not have named him as a sub! No goal, no assist, and what at best was an average performance; so money doesn't buy you a cup. Jason and Andrew would not have brought Hurst in if they had no faith in him. I have never seen Hurst so relaxed during his interviews and not having to consider if his words will come back to haunt him by the owners. Hurst is not known for not naming or hinting at his targets until after he's signed them, and if he hasn't then he moves on. Getting blood out of a stone is easier than getting Hurst to name the players who have rejected the club and their reasons. Let's consider the benefits since May 5th and let the negatives stay with the regime that caused the mess Jason and Andrew have had to clean up. |
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I know some people obsess about results and don’t seem to realise that changing a culture, improving dilapidated facilities and having a plan actually lead to improved results but they do. Simply bringing in players isn’t the only solution.
You’d think after that flipping idiot holloway town fans would be all to aware of the risks of panic signings just to bolster numbers. It’s as if people don’t think Hurst knows we need a couple more players, one of which being a front man.
I haven’t seen or heard any bullshit from anyone at the club, that girl private went out the door in May but what I have seen and heard is hard work and a desire to make GTFC in to a football club to be proud of, a football club players want to play for and a club with a culture of positivity and pride.
Anyone deluded enough to think we’ll come straight back needs to give their head a wobble, it’s unlikely, for many of the reasons explained. Since reentering the league we’ve gone backwards, a culture of penny pinching, bullying and negativity. A ‘well it kinda works so why change’ mentality. A culture of just surviving all because we turn a measly profit for what gain. Journeymen players who aren’t arsed, the list goes on…that takes time to change.
Christ, we all put our heads in our hands when we see a system pop up on the website…then remember it’s safe…
Don’t excrement your knickers before the seasons started. intercourse me, literally every football fan should be optimistic at this stage…
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Let’s put it this way. We could put the best squad together, get promoted at the first time of asking, but if we don’t improve the infrastructure, we’d just find ourselves down here again in a few seasons. I bet our facilities where worse than most teams in the conference. It’s very short sighted to think we could continue without improving it, and I’d be willing to accept a cuts to our playing budget to improve it.
BUT, there’s no indication that our playing budget has been in anyway affected by the cost of upgrading our facilities. Just because we haven’t brought in a striker, doesn’t mean the funding for the playing squad isn’t there. People are jumping to conclusions.
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Let’s put it this way. We could put the best squad together, get promoted at the first time of asking, but if we don’t improve the infrastructure, we’d just find ourselves down here again in a few seasons. I bet our facilities where worse than most teams in the conference. It’s very short sighted to think we could continue without improving it, and I’d be willing to accept a cuts to our playing budget to improve it.
BUT, there’s no indication that our playing budget has been in anyway affected by the cost of upgrading our facilities. Just because we haven’t brought in a striker, doesn’t mean the funding for the playing squad isn’t there. People are jumping to conclusions.
This is the issue isn’t it, perhaps the people cryarsing can’t see the impact the years of absolute abject failure has dented people’s view of the club so they automatically assume we can’t bring a striker in Becauee we haven’t the cash. As you say, there’s no reason to say that’s the issue, quite the opposite in fact, may be there just isn’t one out there worth the punt or is overpriced. Let’s face it, everyone is looking for a forward… |
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But the sprinklers mean we can have the pitch in better condition so that it handles a bad winter.
The sprinklers mean we can water the pitch without somebody having to pull the hosepipe across the pitch. I assume this is done with the intention of watering the pitch at half time, but how on earth a trench and pop up sprinkler will help the pitch is lost on me. |
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The sprinklers mean we can water the pitch without somebody having to pull the hosepipe across the pitch. I assume this is done with the intention of watering the pitch at half time, but how on earth a trench and pop up sprinkler will help the pitch is lost on me.
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I like a loan and a moan!
On a serious note, I’m all in favour of off field improvements but, and it remains a question, isn’t the most important job to create a squad that’s capable of restoring the club to the EFL?
Sorry if I’m not towing the party line, but I’m concerned that we’re being blinded by BS.
I implied the same thing when I heard that Hendrie and Hewitt were offered less money to stay despite them claiming we'd have a bigger budget. Unless we get a couple of marquee signings in very soon, which seems a bit late, then I don't see where this bigger budget is. We offloaded our highest earners from last season, and there's no way our new signings are anywhere near the same money. Still time to go though, just hope we're not off to a slow start and playing catch up all season. |
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Having spent a few weeks at BP and a short time down at Cheapside, I have to say that getting to see in all the nooks and crannies of the ground, it's in a very dilapidated condition and the list of things to be improved is almost endless. Some things needed sorting pronto, some like the glass barriers are just purely for the benefit of the fans and could have been left as is, but fan engagement and a better match day experience is something the new owners have targeted. I don't think for a minute that the structural improvements are to the detriment of the playing squad.
The fan zone has been funded mostly by the fans themselves, in the form of increased subscriptions and a lot of people spending a lot of hours of their own time down there for free. Most of the materials used have been donated, so the cost of it has nothing to do with taking money from the playing budget.
We can have better facilities and a better squad too. They are not mutually exclusive.
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The sprinklers mean we can water the pitch without somebody having to pull the hosepipe across the pitch. I assume this is done with the intention of watering the pitch at half time, but how on earth a trench and pop up sprinkler will help the pitch is lost on me.
Cant see what youdont understand. First it helps the ball move .. and second it helps to stop the soil get hard and forming a barrier to heavy rain getting away faster. And depending on the system you can add nutriants to the water to help the grass grow strong and get an even growth across the whole pitch |
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I’m be surprised if hurst still in the job come Xmas! I don’t know why the owners can’t push the boat out and bring in Podge, give him what he’s on now 2 year contract and make a statement we are here to win the league, all I can see is Hurst usual excuses down the line that he’s not had enough funding.
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I’m be surprised if hurst still in the job come Xmas! I don’t know why the owners can’t push the boat out and bring in Podge, give him what he’s on now 2 year contract and make a statement we are here to win the league, all I can see is Hurst usual excuses down the line that he’s not had enough funding.
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Cant see what youdont understand. First it helps the ball move .. and second it helps to stop the soil get hard and forming a barrier to heavy rain getting away faster. And depending on the system you can add nutriants to the water to help the grass grow strong and get an even growth across the whole pitch
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What we've always done produced last seasons pitch.
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The system that the water comes from was installed years ago, all they've done is run a trench, at significant cost, to pop up the sprinklers. That makes zero difference to somebody pulling the sprinklers out by hand, which is what we've always done.
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I’m be surprised if hurst still in the job come Xmas! I don’t know why the owners can’t push the boat out and bring in Podge, give him what he’s on now 2 year contract and make a statement we are here to win the league, all I can see is Hurst usual excuses down the line that he’s not had enough funding.
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I implied the same thing when I heard that Hendrie and Hewitt were offered less money to stay despite them claiming we'd have a bigger budget. Unless we get a couple of marquee signings in very soon, which seems a bit late, then I don't see where this bigger budget is. We offloaded our highest earners from last season, and there's no way our new signings are anywhere near the same money.
Still time to go though, just hope we're not off to a slow start and playing catch up all season.
Hewitt and Hendrie were part of Jolley's very small squad with players paid very well. Matt Green on £2.5k a week allegedly. For three quarters of Hewitts time here, nobody would have any complaints at him going. Hendrie is still a free agent which suggests to me he's not worth what he thinks he is and the offer of a pay cut was probably justified. |
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The system that the water comes from was installed years ago, all they've done is run a trench, at significant cost, to pop up the sprinklers. That makes zero difference to somebody pulling the sprinklers out by hand, which is what we've always done.
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I implied the same thing when I heard that Hendrie and Hewitt were offered less money to stay despite them claiming we'd have a bigger budget. Unless we get a couple of marquee signings in very soon, which seems a bit late, then I don't see where this bigger budget is. We offloaded our highest earners from last season, and there's no way our new signings are anywhere near the same money.
Still time to go though, just hope we're not off to a slow start and playing catch up all season.
Hendrie was rubbish last season and likely on a very good wage as we signed him when we were desperate for a right back. |
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I implied the same thing when I heard that Hendrie and Hewitt were offered less money to stay despite them claiming we'd have a bigger budget. Unless we get a couple of marquee signings in very soon, which seems a bit late, then I don't see where this bigger budget is. We offloaded our highest earners from last season, and there's no way our new signings are anywhere near the same money.
Still time to go though, just hope we're not off to a slow start and playing catch up all season.
It's not late until we can't sign players at all due to transfer windows. I'm sure the loan window stays open a lot longer in non league too. Offloading those players had nothing to do with making huge signings, they were let go because they were on money that their performances was not earning, in some cases no longer having the passion for football but wanting to sit out their contract because the money was good. I doubt that making huge signings is as easy as just throwing money at them, plenty of clubs want good players who are willing to drop into the conference, they'll also be willing to push the boat out financially. In some cases it's players looking at their options before they decide as it's often not just them they need to consider but what's best for the family too. In some cases clubs are probably still working on deals and who they are willing to let go. People seem to assume that if no signings are made in a week we are done signing people and nothing is moving on the transfer front. Just look at the saga of LJL and Coke who were players apparently free to sign and it took weeks of wrangling over paperwork to get them signed on the dotted line. |
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I don't give a f**k what Wrexham, Stockport any other NL team do or don't do in terms of acquisitions and marquee signings etc..
First the context - The club was on it's knees now we have owners that have the background and the fincial means and who are not only financially invested but because of their heritage they are also emotionally invested too, which in my mind sets us up better for the mid to long term. Also they've had the foresight to bring in a visible and from what I sense an accessible chief exec who has diverse experience to add some different ideas and view. The club is starting to feel good again which will help with recruitment to a small degree.
Direction - We are starting to have direction driven by a leadership who want to work with others and invite other stake holders on the journey. This alone won't get players to put pen to paper but it helps with "the pieces of the jigsaw".
The manager - Has experience, works really hard and you'd find it had to find any credible player with a work ethic who has a bad word to say about him. He's backed by the owners who have already improved the infrastructure beyond what we could have hoped for under the last set of bell choppers.
Cash - We have credible budget so I understand and looking at pre season it's being used sensibly, a number of the additions so far have settled in well and look promising. We've lost a couple of the experienced forwards to injury and the manager more than anyone will know that we're weak up front and need some additions, he'll be working his nuts off to do that I'm sure. BTW we've won the last 2 friendlies with one of those additions scoring the deciding goal in both.
Going back to the coffers it seems like PH has money at his disposal but I doubt that he'll have a pipeline of cash pumped in season after season so he needs to spend it wisely and build over the course of time.
The reality - Like us all I want to be up there from the off and back in the EFL as soon as possible but lets not lose sight of how broken the club was and despite a lot of players on the books how bad the team where, this is not a one season fix.
I'd like to see at least a loan striker brought in before the opening day and I'm confident that something will happen, if it doesn't it's not for the want of trying.
In terms of should we throw money at an individual or two to sign for us? I'm not convinced that putting so many eggs into 1 (or two) baskets is the right approach at thus stage, all you have to do is look down the M180 and you'll see the impact of "going for it".
Realistically we won't and will have never dominated this coming season but what I do know overall we'll be in or around the mix at the right time. If we're not I'll be disappointed like us all but if we're progressing after years or regression as a club I can live with it.
No need to panic, though not all the boxes are ticked but rebuilding this club is on course as far as I cans see.
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I don't give a f**k what Wrexham, Stockport any other NL team do or don't do in terms of acquisitions and marquee signings etc..
First the context - The club was on it's knees now we have owners that have the background and the fincial means and who are not only financially invested but because of their heritage they are also emotionally invested too, which in my mind sets us up better for the mid to long term. Also they've had the foresight to bring in a visible and from what I sense an accessible chief exec who has diverse experience to add some different ideas and view. The club is starting to feel good again which will help with recruitment to a small degree.
Direction - We are starting to have direction driven by a leadership who want to work with others and invite other stake holders on the journey. This alone won't get players to put pen to paper but it helps with "the pieces of the jigsaw".
The manager - Has experience, works really hard and you'd find it had to find any credible player with a work ethic who has a bad word to say about him. He's backed by the owners who have already improved the infrastructure beyond what we could have hoped for under the last set of bell choppers.
Cash - We have credible budget so I understand and looking at pre season it's being used sensibly, a number of the additions so far have settled in well and look promising. We've lost a couple of the experienced forwards to injury and the manager more than anyone will know that we're weak up front and need some additions, he'll be working his nuts off to do that I'm sure. BTW we've won the last 2 friendlies with one of those additions scoring the deciding goal in both.
Going back to the coffers it seems like PH has money at his disposal but I doubt that he'll have a pipeline of cash pumped in season after season so he needs to spend it wisely and build over the course of time.
The reality - Like us all I want to be up there from the off and back in the EFL as soon as possible but lets not lose sight of how broken the club was and despite a lot of players on the books how bad the team where, this is not a one season fix.
I'd like to see at least a loan striker brought in before the opening day and I'm confident that something will happen, if it doesn't it's not for the want of trying.
In terms of should we throw money at an individual or two to sign for us? I'm not convinced that putting so many eggs into 1 (or two) baskets is the right approach at thus stage, all you have to do is look down the M180 and you'll see the impact of "going for it".
Realistically we won't and will have never dominated this coming season but what I do know overall we'll be in or around the mix at the right time. If we're not I'll be disappointed like us all but if we're progressing after years or regression as a club I can live with it.
No need to panic, though not all the boxes are ticked but rebuilding this club is on course as far as I cans see.
UTM!
I think that sums up the state of the club at the moment. Positive and on the way up. UTM |
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I’m be surprised if hurst still in the job come Xmas! I don’t know why the owners can’t push the boat out and bring in Podge, give him what he’s on now 2 year contract and make a statement we are here to win the league, all I can see is Hurst usual excuses down the line that he’s not had enough funding.
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To be honest, the last few games I've seen Amond play, he hasn't impressed me at all. Been a shadow of his former self..
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To be honest, the last few games I've seen Amond play, he hasn't impressed me at all. Been a shadow of his former self..
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When have you ever heard Paul Hurst say that? Fool
Hagrid get back in your Paul Hurst quilt cover if you’ve got nothing nice to say. I tell you now the fans will not give him another free ride he’s got no excuses now. We the fans expect a competitive promotion challenging team this season, and if it’s the same crap boring football not challenging by Xmas then he’s gone, but don’t worry you can still leave his posters up on your bedroom wall. Hurst has always snipped about budgets I’m pretty sure he moaned about a lack of finances as the reason when he left us for Shrewsbury, he definitely winged about the Ipswich transfer budget once sacked even though he spent about 3 million. |
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Hagrid get back in your Paul Hurst quilt cover if you’ve got nothing nice to say. I tell you now the fans will not give him another free ride he’s got no excuses now. We the fans expect a competitive promotion challenging team this season, and if it’s the same crap boring football not challenging by Xmas then he’s gone, but don’t worry you can still leave his posters up on your bedroom wall.
Hurst has always snipped about budgets I’m pretty sure he moaned about a lack of finances as the reason when he left us for Shrewsbury, he definitely winged about the Ipswich transfer budget once sacked even though he spent about 3 million.
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Hagrid get back in your Paul Hurst quilt cover if you’ve got nothing nice to say. I tell you now the fans will not give him another free ride he’s got no excuses now. We the fans expect a competitive promotion challenging team this season, and if it’s the same crap boring football not challenging by Xmas then he’s gone, but don’t worry you can still leave his posters up on your bedroom wall.
Hurst has always snipped about budgets I’m pretty sure he moaned about a lack of finances as the reason when he left us for Shrewsbury, he definitely winged about the Ipswich transfer budget once sacked even though he spent about 3 million.
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3 million is nothing at championship level anymore, especially when you’re facing a full rebuild.
Agreed and if Hurst only spent £3m, that’s still £7m less than Ipswich got for Garner, Webster and Waghorn. I can imagine Hurst was a bit disgruntled at losing the spine of the team and only being able to spend 30% of that transfer income on replacements. |
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Agreed and if Hurst only spent £3m, that’s still £7m less than Ipswich got for Garner, Webster and Waghorn.
I can imagine Hurst was a bit disgruntled at losing the spine of the team and only being able to spend 30% of that transfer income on replacements.
Whilst it was an easy decision to take it, much like the Cowleys at Huddersfield, Hurst was doomed from the start at Ipswich. They didn’t know what they wanted other than claw cash back and get rid of big earners…hardly great circumstances to work in, £3m doesn’t touch the sides in the championship… |
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Whilst it was an easy decision to take it, much like the Cowleys at Huddersfield, Hurst was doomed from the start at Ipswich. They didn’t know what they wanted other than claw cash back and get rid of big earners…hardly great circumstances to work in, £3m doesn’t touch the sides in the championship…
That would be a good reason but when looking back to that season many teams had worse financial circumstances and managed to stay up with some team with the likes of Hull, QPR, Sheffield Wednesday, and Birmingham city not even having a transfer budget having to make do with Free’s and loans. |
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We the fans expect a competitive promotion challenging team this season, and if it’s the same crap boring football not challenging by Xmas then he’s gone, but don’t worry you can still leave his posters up on your bedroom wall.
Well, seen as we were indeed a 'promotion challenging team', challenging by Xmas and ending in the playoffs for 4 out of the 5 seasons Hurst was in charge (and 4/4 when Hurst was in sole charge) when we were last in the Conference, we should be alright. |
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I deem challenging in this league with our resources as aiming to win the league! At least a strong play off position throughout the season, not limping into the playoffs at the end of season as we’ve seen before. I think if we don’t do it this season then we may be down here a long time.
Look I wish Hust all the best I hope he proves the doubters including me wrong. One thing for sure is that I won’t be on here criticising if things don’t get off to the start we hope. But by Xmas we will have an idea of where we are at.
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What we've always done produced last seasons pitch.
I thought it was furloughing the groundsman was the main cause and no one looked after the pitch and that we used to win awards for it? |
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I thought it was furloughing the groundsman was the main cause and no one looked after the pitch and that we used to win awards for it?
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We seem to have had a lot of words during the summer yet there seems to be a void in our squad for next season…AGAIN!
No doubt the new owners have the best intentions but with a few exceptions, I’m left wondering how we intend to win games without goals. Happy to be proved wrong.
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It was, but if you were to say that, then it might seem like spending the best part of £40k on sprinklers is wasting money.
You are obviously privy to the cost of our sprinklers so how much has the money saved furloughing the groundsman actually cost to put right? £40k well spent in my eyes. |
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You are obviously privy to the cost of our sprinklers so how much has the money saved furloughing the groundsman actually cost to put right?
£40k well spent in my eyes.
I heard it was around £100,000😱 |
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The new board can spend £2m on whatever they like for me, given that it would’ve only ended up in Fenty’s pocket otherwise.
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It's sad that you don't mention the positive side of the squad. Just another negative post even before we've kicked a ball of the new season.
Negative? Realistic more like. Our squad has very few attacking options at present, look how many (few) we’ve scored in pre season and I’m very concerned that we’re looking at a slow start. As I also said, I’m happy to be proved wrong. |
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The season doesn’t get decided in August..
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I heard it was around £100,000😱
I dont think cost was an issue. I think it was more to do with time, and the amount of time that could be saved, thus enabling the groundstaff to be able to work their magic on the pitch for longer. The previous sprinkler system, if set up to water the pitch well, could take up to 2 days to cover the whole of the pitch as it slowly edged its way up and down the pitch. Now, the same result can be achieved within 2 hours, watering the whole pitch at once. Personally I think the new system is a fantastic investment. But it will be really funny if they need to water the pitch at half time in any match and the wind is blowing off the sea, blowing the spray onto the Lower Youngs. A few wet seats Im sure. |
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The season doesn’t get decided in August..
Just saying.
It can be. If we make a slow start - perhaps if we don't get a striker in for example - and drop say 6 points, and we end up being 6 points off top spot in May you can look back and say "damn it, we should have been better prepared in August." |
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Negative? Realistic more like. Our squad has very few attacking options at present, look how many (few) we’ve scored in pre season and I’m very concerned that we’re looking at a slow start.
As I also said, I’m happy to be proved wrong.
Whilst we all see some of our squads shortcomings, opposition fans think we have quietly built a decent side. We see teams signing players on 3 year deals and want some of that ourselves. Let me remind you all that Montel "Baby Shower" Gibson currently has 2 years of his contract left. |
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I dont think cost was an issue. I think it was more to do with time, and the amount of time that could be saved, thus enabling the groundstaff to be able to work their magic on the pitch for longer.
The previous sprinkler system, if set up to water the pitch well, could take up to 2 days to cover the whole of the pitch as it slowly edged its way up and down the pitch. Now, the same result can be achieved within 2 hours, watering the whole pitch at once.
Personally I think the new system is a fantastic investment.
But it will be really funny if they need to water the pitch at half time in any match and the wind is blowing off the sea, blowing the spray onto the Lower Youngs. A few wet seats Im sure.
There was also a huge water tank fitted in the corner between the Pontoon and Main stands which is fed by a bore hole and supplies the water to the sprinklers. This will save money over time. The system can be controlled with a mobile phone app and is a vast improvement on the old system in terms of time. As you say, it took an age to properly water the pitch before the new system went in. It will also allow for a quicker passing game if the pitch is watered immediately before and during a game, which could help us better overcome the teams that are, shall we say, a bit more agricultural. I really dont know what the problem is with pen penfras. He seems to be very bitter toward the new regime and what they are trying to achieve. |
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There was also a huge water tank fitted in the corner between the Pontoon and Main stands which is fed by a bore hole and supplies the water to the sprinklers. This will save money over time.
The system can be controlled with a mobile phone app and is a vast improvement on the old system in terms of time. As you say, it took an age to properly water the pitch before the new system went in. It will also allow for a quicker passing game if the pitch is watered immediately before and during a game, which could help us better overcome the teams that are, shall we say, a bit more agricultural.
I really dont know what the problem is with pen penfras. He seems to be very bitter toward the new regime and what they are trying to achieve.
His bitterness probably has something to do with him (or his associate) no longer being Head Cod. |
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It was, but if you were to say that, then it might seem like spending the best part of £40k on sprinklers is wasting money.
Mate, your Bro copulated things up massively. Furloughing the groundsman and seeing our wonderful playing surface reduced to a bog is a metaphor for his whole tenure. I’d do all I could to protect our kid cos I love him but I’d still know he’s a buffoon at times. |
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There was also a huge water tank fitted in the corner between the Pontoon and Main stands which is fed by a bore hole and supplies the water to the sprinklers. This will save money over time.
The system can be controlled with a mobile phone app and is a vast improvement on the old system in terms of time. As you say, it took an age to properly water the pitch before the new system went in. It will also allow for a quicker passing game if the pitch is watered immediately before and during a game, which could help us better overcome the teams that are, shall we say, a bit more agricultural.
I really dont know what the problem is with pen penfras. He seems to be very bitter toward the new regime and what they are trying to achieve.
So you're happy that we're going into a season having spent 150k on superficial improvements yet we don't have a fit striker that's scored a senior goal? If Fenty was here with the squad like this, he'd be getting lambasted for penny pinching on here, yet because he's gone we're supposed to appreciate how brilliant things now are because the pitch can be watered quickly. Even Hurst is playing the budget card already |
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When has Hurst played the budget card this pre-season?
That's absolute nonsense.
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So you're happy that we're going into a season having spent 150k on superficial improvements yet we don't have a fit striker that's scored a senior goal? If Fenty was here with the squad like this, he'd be getting lambasted for penny pinching on here, yet because he's gone we're supposed to appreciate how brilliant things now are because the pitch can be watered quickly. Even Hurst is playing the budget card already
the Ultimate Hypocrite is back! Sooo quick to cast others as liars ,but soooooo slow to correct his lies/mistakes 1) evidence for the above please that 'Hurst is playing the budget card' 2) evidence please for your claim that Hendrie and Hewitt were offered lower paid contracts 3) evidence please that Doig and Hurst didn't like Amond 4) evidence please that fans were claiming that there would be 5000 season ticket holders 5) and finally, as i've asked previously, your evidence for this denigration of our 2 new owners 'there's already plenty of ammunition that has been in the papers and other things that haven't. I'm guessing people who've heard the things are keeping quiet due to optimism rather than posting them.' i won't be holding my breath......... |
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the Ultimate Hypocrite is back! Sooo quick to cast others as liars ,but soooooo slow to correct his lies/mistakes
1) evidence for the above please that 'Hurst is playing the budget card'
2) evidence please for your claim that Hendrie and Hewitt were offered lower paid contracts
3) evidence please that Doig and Hurst didn't like Amond
4) evidence please that fans were claiming that there would be 5000 season ticket holders
5) and finally, as i've asked previously, your evidence for this denigration of our 2 new owners 'there's already plenty of ammunition that has been in the papers and other things that haven't. I'm guessing people who've heard the things are keeping quiet due to optimism rather than posting them.'
i won't be holding my breath.........
On point 3 I would also like to ask what you have to say about Hurst and Doig contacting Amond for character references on Taylor and Longe-King? It seems a strange thing to ask someone you don't like... |
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We seem to have had a lot of words during the summer yet there seems to be a void in our squad for next season…AGAIN!
No doubt the new owners have the best intentions but with a few exceptions, I’m left wondering how we intend to win games without goals. Happy to be proved wrong.
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So you're happy that we're going into a season having spent 150k on superficial improvements yet we don't have a fit striker that's scored a senior goal? If Fenty was here with the squad like this, he'd be getting lambasted for penny pinching on here, yet because he's gone we're supposed to appreciate how brilliant things now are because the pitch can be watered quickly. Even Hurst is playing the budget card already
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So you're happy that we're going into a season having spent 150k on superficial improvements yet we don't have a fit striker that's scored a senior goal? If Fenty was here with the squad like this, he'd be getting lambasted for penny pinching on here, yet because he's gone we're supposed to appreciate how brilliant things now are because the pitch can be watered quickly. Even Hurst is playing the budget card already
Come on mate, normally you argue your point well even if it’s nonsense but that post is laughable…they’ve been here less than a year. If the club reverses as it has under Fenty, if they pennypinch, if they’re only in it for themselves, if they bully the supports/supporters trust, openly slag people off, go on the radio drunk, offer embarrassing contracts…after 20 years then yes, yes they will get hammered and rightly so. You’re forgetting that large swathes of town fans still thought Fenty was decent until we discovered he was a flipping crook…I know a few of us saw his bullshit from early on but many didn’t so you can’t keep making blanket statements attacking all the fans. We’re you happy under Fenty? Do you actually think he should’ve stayed? I get natural caution, especially after that flipping roll necked wearing charlatan’s tenure but just embrace the fact the club is moving forward…that can’t just happen on the pitch. It’s a collective…and no, nobody would’ve moaned if Fenty spent £40k on a sprinkle system, but when you’ve been as useless as he was, fans knowing we offered embarrassing contracts then that’s where the frustrations came… Also, you’re quick to say those opposing Fenty never present fact…(we do, most of which is easily corroborated but people just chose to bury their heads) yet you’ve done just that regarding Hurst… I can never decide if you’re a well hidden wind up merchant or genuine… |
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Come on mate, normally you argue your point well even if it’s nonsense but that post is laughable…they’ve been here less than a year. If the club reverses as it has under Fenty, if they pennypinch, if they’re only in it for themselves, if they bully the supports/supporters trust, openly slag people off, go on the radio drunk, offer embarrassing contracts…after 20 years then yes, yes they will get hammered and rightly so.
You’re forgetting that large swathes of town fans still thought Fenty was decent until we discovered he was a flipping crook…I know a few of us saw his bullshit from early on but many didn’t so you can’t keep making blanket statements attacking all the fans.
We’re you happy under Fenty? Do you actually think he should’ve stayed?
I get natural caution, especially after that flipping roll necked wearing charlatan’s tenure but just embrace the fact the club is moving forward…that can’t just happen on the pitch. It’s a collective…and no, nobody would’ve moaned if Fenty spent £40k on a sprinkle system, but when you’ve been as useless as he was, fans knowing we offered embarrassing contracts then that’s where the frustrations came…
Also, you’re quick to say those opposing Fenty never present fact…(we do, most of which is easily corroborated but people just chose to bury their heads) yet you’ve done just that regarding Hurst…
I can never decide if you’re a well hidden wind up merchant or genuine…
No, I don't think Fenty should have stayed and I said years before he went that his time was up. As for being a wind up merchant, right now I am to an extent. Not trying to wind people up, but the same people who would cane Fenty for doing the same things as the new guys have want patience and understanding for doing the same things. I said all along that it wasn't about what Fenty did that got criticised, it was because it was him that's doing it and the majority of the most critical are the ones asking for patience. At least codger and LCL are consistent with their criticism, even if it isn't warranted (which right now it isn't). As for the things that Forza is asking for evidence for, I can't show evidence, but I have friends who work for the club and they are 100% in the know about these things and I know that Hurst didn't care if we kept Amond, he even dropped him in the middle of his purple patch because he didn't chase down enough. The low wage offer to our best player from last season who was one of the stand out defenders in the league once played there is true and as is the ridiculous cost of £100k+ on a glass barrier. Hurst mentioned the budget in his last interview. It's already sowing the seeds of it's not his fault, but he can't come out and criticise like he did last season because he knew he wouldn't get sacked when Fenty had a few weeks left. |
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I'd rather the new lot spent money on players rather than the training ground, sprinklers and fan zones, they're proving to be no different to the last ownership in that respect. (I'd also rather they'd spent money on a manager too but we are stuck with him now until maybe Christmas anyway)
When / if we ever get a striker are we going to spend a few quid or will he be another desperate for a club free agent ?
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The money for the fan zone has come from a grant-which cannot be spent on other things.
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Makes you laugh this thread, honestly it does...
Is there any joy in some of the fishy folks lives?I do have to wonder.
Fenty "f@cked" it up big style, poor training facilities down to the embarrassment of the balls not being round.
Stockwood and Petite come in and have highlighted where things needed immediate improvement and have acted on it, regardless of cost and no doubt some of that cost has been burdened personally.
As for investment into the squad, imo we are 2 players short of what looks like a very promising team, unfortunately those 2 players are strikers, which every club up and down the country are always in the market for so patience has to be the key.
Back to my original statement, the amount of hammer the fishy gets for being a cesspit of doom and negativity is summed up in this thread.
Yet take a look at the "sponsor a player" thread and that shows how bloody fantastic this forum can be, Les deserves a medal for all he does in raising money for charity and making this place a bit more bearable.
Agree/disagree/debate but FFS, let's leave that moron in the past and actually enjoy that we now have owners who are trying their up most to make this club one we are proud of again.
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No, I don't think Fenty should have stayed and I said years before he went that his time was up.
As for being a wind up merchant, right now I am to an extent. Not trying to wind people up, but the same people who would cane Fenty for doing the same things as the new guys have want patience and understanding for doing the same things. I said all along that it wasn't about what Fenty did that got criticised, it was because it was him that's doing it and the majority of the most critical are the ones asking for patience. At least codger and LCL are consistent with their criticism, even if it isn't warranted (which right now it isn't).
As for the things that Forza is asking for evidence for, I can't show evidence, but I have friends who work for the club and they are 100% in the know about these things and I know that Hurst didn't care if we kept Amond, he even dropped him in the middle of his purple patch because he didn't chase down enough. The low wage offer to our best player from last season who was one of the stand out defenders in the league once played there is true and as is the ridiculous cost of £100k+ on a glass barrier.
Hurst mentioned the budget in his last interview. It's already sowing the seeds of it's not his fault, but he can't come out and criticise like he did last season because he knew he wouldn't get sacked when Fenty had a few weeks left.
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Is this grant a new thing or something the previous regime didn’t know or care about ?
The money has come from the Football Foundation via GTSET. It is specifically for ground improvements. It's not new. There is very little money or involvement from the actual club. The Trust have worked to the budget provided by the amount of grant available and apart from some small considerations which can be picked up by the club as more general ground improvements, the excess costs (if any) will be met from Trust funds. I have to say that a number of people have worked very hard to get to where we are. They have done it on a volunteer basis. Without the new recruits to the Trust Board we would never have been in the position to get to this point. This isn't aimed at you but it is a very, very poor example of something to use to somehow illustrate that the club (and by definition the new owners) are prioritising ground improvements over on-field considerations. |
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PP - If you've got a mate that works at the club then why don't you ask him what PH's budget is, and how that compares to previous seasons?
The new owners have said from the start that they've given PH a competitive budget AND that they were going to invest in upgrading the infrastructure. However you (and others) now seem to be trying to play off money spent on infrastructure against money spent on players - which is only a valid argument if they haven't provided PH with the budget they said they would.
If I was Jason or Andrew reading this thread, then I'd already be asking myself why I've even bothered investing in the club.
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PP - If you've got a mate that works at the club then why don't you ask him what PH's budget is, and how that compares to previous seasons?
The new owners have said from the start that they've given PH a competitive budget AND that they were going to invest in upgrading the infrastructure. However you (and others) now seem to be trying to play off money spent on infrastructure against money spent on players - which is only a valid argument if they haven't provided PH with the budget they said they would.
If I was Jason or Andrew reading this thread, then I'd already be asking myself why I've even bothered investing in the club.
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I can totally see it PP.
If Fenty had spent money putting a new irrigation system in Blundell Park people would be going nuts, asking how does this help us win three points on a Saturday.
If he'd had spent money fixing up the training ground pitches, physiotherapy, resistance and cardio rooms then people would rightly question why he was wasting the clubs money on such things.
If he'd employed a kit man, massuse and new CEO and bought state of the art analysis software, there would have been endless threads on here lambasting him for doing so, after all Buckly didn't need such things.
If he'd dare to run a survey asking fans what they wanted I think he might evenhave been run out of town.
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I started this thread because of a genuine concern that our squad is looking pretty threadbare and it now seems to have been railed into a thread about the owners.
They stated, very clearly, that the playing side is Paul’s responsibility and it was he who said that he wanted his squad in place for preseason. We seem to have three thirty something forwards injured plus Scannell plus Max Wright, that’s clearly nothing to do with the owners!
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Purely hypothetical but:
£1.5m budget, no wider improvement
£1.2m budget, £300k wider improvement
I think Hurst would choose option 2 every day of the week.
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Purely hypothetical but:
£1.5m budget, no wider improvement
£1.2m budget, £300k wider improvement
I think Hurst would choose option 2 every day of the week.
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So you're happy that we're going into a season having spent 150k on superficial improvements yet we don't have a fit striker that's scored a senior goal? If Fenty was here with the squad like this, he'd be getting lambasted for penny pinching on here, yet because he's gone we're supposed to appreciate how brilliant things now are because the pitch can be watered quickly. Even Hurst is playing the budget card already
I've already said that I want and hope we sign a couple of experienced forward players, and that we need them in situ, sooner rather than later. I also made a post saying that I dont believe the ground improvements are in any way taking money from the playing budget, so nice try, but the two are not linked. PH will bring them in I'm sure. He's said he wants them and that he is looking for the right fit. I have no doubt that part of that right fit will be budget related, as all clubs have an upper limit, no matter who they are. |
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I would think that the owners aren’t making the off field improvements to the detriment of the playing budget.
Like I say, it's hypothetical but Hurst is big on off-field improvement too. He's not one to throw money about like a kid in a candy shop. |
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Also, if Rangers get knocked out of Champions Leage tonight they might sell Moreles and buy Dembele, releasing more cash for mariners to spend.
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Set up a business. Get excrement offices, excrement equipment and old fashioned, crappy systems that aren't as good as your competitors. Now go and throw big salaries about with the money you've saved. Then see what type of people you've managed to recruit. Finally give those people excrement training as you have cut right back on that as well and then see how well they perform and how up for staying they are.
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Sorry but why is anyone pretending to be surprised that the universally loathed John Fenty got grief after nearly 20 years of abject failure at our expense, but the new board are given the benefit of the doubt for investing in long-term infrastructure and are yet to face a competitive fixture?
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I said all along that it wasn't about what Fenty did that got criticised, it was because it was him that's doing it and the majority of the most critical are the ones asking for patience
That’s probably the biggest load of rubbish I’ve ever read on here. You reckon if the current board were trying to sneak a convicted criminal on to the board that everyone would be fine with it? You reckon people would forgive them for taking out £200,000 from the playing budget each season to line their own pockets? Taking money out the budget to cover the cost of their own mistakes would be swept under the carpets? I don’t have the time or sufficient power of recall to write down the litany of terrible mistakes or actions that he oversaw but suffice to say there’s already at least three very long articles on Cod Almighty chronicling them and it’s barely covered half the time he was in charge. Fenty got an unbelievable amount of patience from the majority of the fanbase for all but the last six months of his reign of terror. And his demise was purely of his own doing. Had he not tried to get in to bed with Alex May we may well be staring down the barrel of another long stretch in non league under his inept stewardship. If it wasn’t what Fenty did that got him criticised and only because of who he is, then please name one positive thing that he oversaw whilst in charge of the club? |
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That’s probably the biggest load of rubbish I’ve ever read on here. You reckon if the current board were trying to sneak a convicted criminal on to the board that everyone would be fine with it? You reckon people would forgive them for taking out £200,000 from the playing budget each season to line their own pockets? Taking money out the budget to cover the cost of their own mistakes would be swept under the carpets? I don’t have the time or sufficient power of recall to write down the litany of terrible mistakes or actions that he oversaw but suffice to say there’s already at least three very long articles on Cod Almighty chronicling them and it’s barely covered half the time he was in charge.
Fenty got an unbelievable amount of patience from the majority of the fanbase for all but the last six months of his reign of terror. And his demise was purely of his own doing. Had he not tried to get in to bed with Alex May we may well be staring down the barrel of another long stretch in non league under his inept stewardship.
If it wasn’t what Fenty did that got him criticised and only because of who he is, then please name one positive thing that he oversaw whilst in charge of the club?
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That’s probably the biggest load of rubbish I’ve ever read on here. You reckon if the current board were trying to sneak a convicted criminal on to the board that everyone would be fine with it? You reckon people would forgive them for taking out £200,000 from the playing budget each season to line their own pockets? Taking money out the budget to cover the cost of their own mistakes would be swept under the carpets? I don’t have the time or sufficient power of recall to write down the litany of terrible mistakes or actions that he oversaw but suffice to say there’s already at least three very long articles on Cod Almighty chronicling them and it’s barely covered half the time he was in charge.
Fenty got an unbelievable amount of patience from the majority of the fanbase for all but the last six months of his reign of terror. And his demise was purely of his own doing. Had he not tried to get in to bed with Alex May we may well be staring down the barrel of another long stretch in non league under his inept stewardship.
If it wasn’t what Fenty did that got him criticised and only because of who he is, then please name one positive thing that he oversaw whilst in charge of the club?
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I can totally see it PP.
If Fenty had spent money putting a new irrigation system in Blundell Park people would be going nuts, asking how does this help us win three points on a Saturday.
If he'd had spent money fixing up the training ground pitches, physiotherapy, resistance and cardio rooms then people would rightly question why he was wasting the clubs money on such things.
If he'd employed a kit man, massuse and new CEO and bought state of the art analysis software, there would have been endless threads on here lambasting him for doing so, after all Buckly didn't need such things.
If he'd dare to run a survey asking fans what they wanted I think he might evenhave been run out of town.
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I know that Hurst didn't care if we kept Amond, he even dropped him in the middle of his purple patch because he didn't chase down enough. .
I was only thinking the other day about when Tomlinson was played in place of Amond (down at Braintree when I saw this, I think) and whether I got that right. But I think I was right and Hurst had dropped Amond. Unbelievable at the time. |
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I was only thinking the other day about when Tomlinson was played in place of Amond (down at Braintree when I saw this, I think) and whether I got that right. But I think I was right and Hurst had dropped Amond. Unbelievable at the time.
He dropped Amond at Dover; we got a hard earned draw that stunted their play off attack. Amond played the Tuesday at Woking and got a hat trick and said being dropped wasn’t strictly true, Hurst gave him some time and it worked…can’t be arsed to find the telegraph article but I remember seeing it… |
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I am pretty sure that Tomlinson played at Braintree as well as a few more games. How many I am not sure.
I was at the Woking game and Amond was on fire. His third goal was amazing as I was on the touchline more or less in line with him. The swerve on the ball into the far corner was amazing. Whether Amond felt he had something to prove, I don't know, but he definitely did in that match.
The beauty of the Woking game for me is that I got home in 10 minutes rather than the normal 6 hours from Blundell Park.
I was at that Dover game as well and ended up in the Dover sector. I only realised when we scored and thought 'oops'.
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This squad does look very underwhelming, but it least Fenty isn’t here.
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This squad does look very underwhelming, but it least Fenty isn’t here.
Opposition fans I've spoken to think we've "quietly built a decent side" which is what Hurst does... |
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I am pretty sure that Tomlinson played at Braintree as well as a few more games. How many I am not sure.
I was at the Woking game and Amond was on fire. His third goal was amazing as I was on the touchline more or less in line with him. The swerve on the ball into the far corner was amazing. Whether Amond felt he had something to prove, I don't know, but he definitely did in that match.
The beauty of the Woking game for me is that I got home in 10 minutes rather than the normal 6 hours from Blundell Park.
I was at that Dover game as well and ended up in the Dover sector. I only realised when we scored and thought 'oops'.
Yes Tomlinson did play against Braintree, in that terrible 0-0 Draw, absolutely awful game and I believe that was the game we first saw his ineffective long throw. |
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I think people would be more enthused if there were a few more noises coming out of the club. Not to say that’s the right thing to do, but we’ve gone nearly 2 weeks without a signing (only Crocombe in since Revan), and before that it was Grant in early July.
Half the new signings are injured, along with the likes of Scannell who many had high hopes for. Typical of Hurst that even rumours have dried up, not even a whisper coming out of the club at the minute. There’s probably plenty going on behind the scenes, but it’s frustrating at the minute when all you’ve got is the Amond/Bogle/Vernam stuff that we’ve had every transfer window for about 5 years.
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I think people would be more enthused if there were a few more noises coming out of the club. Not to say that’s the right thing to do, but we’ve gone nearly 2 weeks without a signing (only Crocombe in since Revan), and before that it was Grant in early July.
Half the new signings are injured, along with the likes of Scannell who many had high hopes for. Typical of Hurst that even rumours have dried up, not even a whisper coming out of the club at the minute. There’s probably plenty going on behind the scenes, but it’s frustrating at the minute when all you’ve got is the Amond/Bogle/Vernam stuff that we’ve had every transfer window for about 5 years.
I agree with you as regards the painful nature of trapsing over the same old remours. That being said, I'd rather a title-challenging squad was being assembled behind the scenes over bells and whistles surrounding the signings of other clubs. We have to trust Hurst is working on some solid signings, to be fair we have no evidence to the contrary seeing as this is his first window under the new regime! |
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I think people would be more enthused if there were a few more noises coming out of the club. Not to say that’s the right thing to do, but we’ve gone nearly 2 weeks without a signing (only Crocombe in since Revan), and before that it was Grant in early July.
Half the new signings are injured, along with the likes of Scannell who many had high hopes for. Typical of Hurst that even rumours have dried up, not even a whisper coming out of the club at the minute. There’s probably plenty going on behind the scenes, but it’s frustrating at the minute when all you’ve got is the Amond/Bogle/Vernam stuff that we’ve had every transfer window for about 5 years.
Agree partly with this. But pretty much every season the usual BS from the club was ‘we are close to that marquee signing (usually a striker) that will make the hairs on you neck stand up. But confidentiality means we can’t name him’ Amazingly enough, said target turned us down at the last moment. Every fking season. So I don’t actually miss that. But we all know we are still a couple of players short. And yes, the odd rumour gives us a bit of hope. |
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From what I’ve seen over preseason the additions look decent, I’m not underwhelmed by the squad it just needs a few key additions.
There appear to be some real quality players we have signed, I’m enthused by Sousa and Mcatee who look a proper threat. I’ve really liked the balance between Fox, Coke and Clifton. Was also impressed with the full backs. Getting Lenny back fit is important, but I’m sure there will be at least 1 striker in before the big kick off.
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On a serious note, I’m all in favour of off field improvements but, and it remains a question, isn’t the most important job to create a squad that’s capable of restoring the club to the EFL?
I share the broad view that we're probably a couple of players short at the moment and understand the concerns which follow from that to a point, given that we have a tough first month of fixtures. But I also think that to put the question in those terms ignores a much more important one, which is what sort of organisation should the club be? Of course we want to be successful on the field. Of course we want to challenge for promotion, ideally this season. But if you believe in the idea that those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it, then it follows that the new owners must be at least as concerned with off-field matters as on-field ones, if not more so. So much around the club is broken or outdated, from basic infrastructure to relationships with its fanbase, that it can't all be fixed in only three months. |
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When building a team, start at the back and spine. Hurst has done exactly that with the quality of the players he has signed thus far. This league is going to be decided by the results of the top teams playing each other. I'll back our squad to be able to stop these expensive forwards, as we have the best defensive set up in this league under Hurst. Stopping the opposition from scoring is just as important as scoring. One final point, remember when we had Liam Hearn scoring for fun. He got a serious injury at the start of the season, and bang went our 30 goal a season striker, and promotion.
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This thread is utterly absurd! What's it going to be like on here when we lose an actual game?! Get a grip, folks! I've never had many red crosses for my posts, but I would take them as a badge of honor after reading through this stuff!
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I’m all for slow-moving and quietly-occurring progress if that’s what it takes. I enjoyed watching our team evolve – season-by-season – the last time we were down here, building to an amazing crescendo (more slowly than I would have preferred, obviously).
A stable base is such an unexciting concept in football but it feels necessary for a club like ours right now. I’m surprised that we don’t value this more considering the gradually-built Buckley and Hurst sides that we got so much pleasure from but also because of the amount of times we have suffered from a lack of stability.
Try not to get so bent about where Williams’s wages might be redirected. Just trust that it won't be spent in a reactionary, we-need-a-result-tomorrow-or-else way by people who deserve a chance/a little patience.
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