Scannell

Have to say im a big fan of Scannell but i know theres plenty who arent.
I think he's definatly worth another season, you never know he may even keep fit.

Have to say Max Wright seems to have seen his last days coming.

Going fowards we have a great spine to the team now and regardless of what happens in the play offs we can go into next season confident.

Admin, please merge with the "Sean Scannell" thread..
Been immense in my eyes

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

Admin, please merge with the "Sean Scannell" thread..
Been immense in my eyes

I'm not sure how any player can be called "immense" when he has only started 3 league games all season?

Quoted from arryarryarry

I'm not sure how any player can be called "immense" when he has only started 3 league games all season?

Because I'm judging him on the present and not the past...
He's obviously worked his t!ts off to get fit, not thrown his toys out the pram, kept his head down, trained without moaning and played his way back into the match squad, oh and when on the pitch has shown he's a class above this level!..

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

Because I'm judging him on the present and not the past...
He's obviously worked his t!ts off to get fit, not thrown his toys out the pram, kept his head down, trained without moaning and played his way back into the match squad, oh and when on the pitch has shown he's a class above this level!..

Exactly this , those who castigate him probably laud Sousa and therein lies the limit of their football knowledge.

Scannell is a level above, that's obvious.
But it doesn't mean we now slate Sousa, who played a big part in our ridiculous run at the start of the season.

An experienced head like Scannell will prove invaluable towards the run in. UTM!

i must admit i assumed Scans was a malingerer. I stand corrected and I've enjoyed his appearances of late. I was disappointed when he didn't get the nod.  As for Sousa, we all know his weakness but you can't slate a man off who has never stopped running.  His runs have kept many a team pinned back, and while they are dealing with his trickery, they are not attacking us.

I think Scannel-McAttee-Maguire Drew behind the striker is good enough for top half league 2.

Holohan and Fox/Clifton, and the defence we currently have is a good basis too

It may be a bit controversial, but I rate Scannell and Sousa...

I personally think we can do better than both Scannell and Sousa in terms of taking up two spots in next season's squad. Scannell has ability, but what use is that when he is only fit for 35% of the season absolute tops? I think some of the praise being lavished on him is a little bit OTT too. Sousa is fit all the time and can be a handful but we've seen a regression in him this season, not an improvement. His good performances have become more and more spaced out as the season goes on and his issues with composure/wastefulness have been a factor all season. I can definitely see the merits in both players, and I wouldn't be opposed to keeping one but I think handing them both contracts for next season might not be wise.

Quoted from Son of Cod

I personally think we can do better than both Scannell and Sousa in terms of taking up two spots in next season's squad. Scannell has ability, but what use is that when he is only fit for 35% of the season absolute tops? I think some of the praise being lavished on him is a little bit OTT too. Sousa is fit all the time and can be a handful but we've seen a regression in him this season, not an improvement. His good performances have become more and more spaced out as the season goes on and his issues with composure/wastefulness have been a factor all season. I can definitely see the merits in both players, and I wouldn't be opposed to keeping one but I think handing them both contracts for next season might not be wise.

Aren't stats wonderful, now can you prove to us that Scannell is only fit for 35% of a season?

Quoted from 123614

Aren't stats wonderful, now can you prove to us that Scannell is only fit for 35% of a season?

Just go and look at how much football he's played in the last five years. 35% is being very very generous.

To make a call on Scannell you need to know a bit more about the nature of his fitness troubles. I know he’s been out injured for a good chunk of time for the past 4 or 5 years, but I couldn’t tell you much beyond that.

Is it a single recurring issue, or has he just been unlucky with knocks? Ultimately the club will be in a better position to make a call on this, and whether there’s a realistic chance of getting a consistent tune out of him in the future.

Quoted from Son of Cod

Just go and look at how much football he's played in the last five years. 35% is being very very generous.

And how many of those games he didn't play in was he injured?  Or did he not fit into the system the manager wanted to play?

Think Scannell has done really well since rehabilitating but would reserve judgement until I’d seen what he contributes over the remaining games. Technical ability not in doubt.

Re - Sousa - think there may be a little bit of over critique of him and he’s a coachable work in progress at a good age with plenty of valuable assets. He’s contributed really positively this season.

Max Wright I’m sad about, and think the decision on him will probably make itself by the end of the season.

Quoted from 123614

And how many of those games he didn't play in was he injured?  Or did he not fit into the system the manager wanted to play?

He's been crocked on and off for years. Speak to any Blackpool or Bradford fan and they'll say the same. Had his loan cut short because of injury at Burton the season before those two too. Fair enough if you think he's worth a gamble but I personally don't want us to be in a position again next season whereby we have one fit winger for the vast majority of the season.

Quoted from 123614

Aren't stats wonderful, now can you prove to us that Scannell is only fit for 35% of a season?

In the last six seasons Scannell has started on average less than 10 League games a season and so far this season has only started 3.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

Because I'm judging him on the present and not the past...
He's obviously worked his t!ts off to get fit, not thrown his toys out the pram, kept his head down, trained without moaning and played his way back into the match squad, oh and when on the pitch has shown he's a class above this level!..

Shouldn't all players who are injured work their mammaries off to get fit or have the likes of Max Wright stayed at home playing on their XBoxes?

Quoted from chaos33

Think Scannell has done really well since rehabilitating but would reserve judgement until I’d seen what he contributes over the remaining games. Technical ability not in doubt.

Re - Sousa - think there may be a little bit of over critique of him and he’s a coachable work in progress at a good age with plenty of valuable assets. He’s contributed really positively this season.

Max Wright I’m sad about, and think the decision on him will probably make itself by the end of the season.

I disagree that Sousa is a coachable work in progress at a good age, he is 27 years old now, at that age he may only improve a little bit, his end product will not improve a lot at his age.

Quoted from arryarryarry

Shouldn't all players who are injured work their mammaries off to get fit or have the likes of Max Wright stayed at home playing on their XBoxes?

Absolutely, but I'm commenting on how well he's done, from being almost an outcast has-been in many people's eyes to playing his way back in, not only that he's turned in 2 mom performances to boot.
Yes, his got history of injuries but so did Vernam and Arnold, maybe, just maybe we've worked with him to sort the niggles out and now getting the best out of him and if that's the case, we've got one hell of a player on our hands imho

Sousa has played really well for large parts of this season and was brilliant in our best run.

Scannell will not get another contract at Town.

Quoted from arryarryarry

In the last six seasons Scannell has started on average less than 10 League games a season and so far this season has only started 3.

But at present he is fit, playing well, and has enough ability to unlock a nervy National League play-off game.

The problem is with his playing history. OK, I accept that - but as of now I'm pleased we've got him.

Quoted from Davec

I disagree that Sousa is a coachable work in progress at a good age, he is 27 years old now, at that age he may only improve a little bit, his end product will not improve a lot at his age.

I like Sousa a lot, but I worry that trying to coach end product into him in his late twenties is akin to coaching composure in front of goal to Lennie. Sometimes it’s just not in the player’s nature.

That said, if it can be done then we have a hell of a player on our hands. I do think it would be a bigger risk to let him go than to retain him.

Quoted from arryarryarry

In the last six seasons Scannell has started on average less than 10 League games a season and so far this season has only started 3.

Scannell has been fit since early December waiting for an opportunity. There's a difference between being injured and not selected.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

Sousa has played really well for large parts of this season and was brilliant in our best run.

Scannell will not get another contract at Town.

There's a reason why Sousa was last at Darlington and why Scannell has played in the Prem.

I thought Scannell was great against Stockport and said as much on here but thought he was pants when he came on at Lynn, running down blind alleys and being dispossessed too easily. Opinions opinions.

Scannell has been fit since Christmas don’t forget. He reached fitness only to be told his opportunities would be limited before more recently starting to get his chance. He’s taken it with both hands IMO.

Sousa has attributes that are out of this world but he doesn’t do the most important bits right. His numbers are poor. 2 league goals this season I think? Probably not more than 2 assists either. Compare to JMD who probably has close to double.

Max Wright is an interesting one. We all thought he was probably done but Hurst threw him a real lifeline on Monday. Hopefully he can still find something to win the new contract.

FWIW I like all three and wouldn’t mind any of them around the squad next season. I think fitness will dictate two of the decisions though.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Scannell has been fit since early December waiting for an opportunity. There's a difference between being injured and not selected.

So if some on here think he is an "immense" player and a class above in this League, why didn't Hurst pick him then?

Quoted from arryarryarry

So if some on here think he is an "immense" player and a class above in this League, why didn't Hurst pick him then?

But he is now!!

Quoted from arryarryarry

So if some on here think he is an "immense" player and a class above in this League, why didn't Hurst pick him then?

Because he preferred Sousa. We had a great run in the early season with Sousa in the side and Scannell injured, I'm no expert but I'd imagine Sousa continued to look good in training as he's that sort of player but his goal/assist output isn't great. Even when he played last season, Scannell looked better than most of those around him.

If the numbers are to be believed, Max is on a fraction of Scannells money and that could have a huge impact on any decision made between the two of them.

I really like them both and would like to see us stick with both, but I accept that’s a real risk for a (potentially) 5th division club.

Quoted from Poojah

I like Sousa a lot, but I worry that trying to coach end product into him in his late twenties is akin to coaching composure in front of goal to Lennie. Sometimes it’s just not in the player’s nature.

That said, if it can be done then we have a hell of a player on our hands. I do think it would be a bigger risk to let him go than to retain him.

Football's a funny old game.  Last season most of us wouldn't pick Luke Waterfall for a kick about on Sydney park.  This season he's been our most consistent player. Sousa might not quite be finished yet.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

There's a reason why Sousa was last at Darlington and why Scannell has played in the Prem.

There’s also a reason he’s playing at this level in the first place. I really like him when he’s played, but we’ve had shocking value from his 2 year deal so far. He’s not a player that can be relied upon to be consistently fit or he wouldn’t be anywhere near Grimsby Town. The stars might align and he might be consistently fit enough to sprinkle a bit of magic on our run in.

None of that means Sousa isn’t also a good player.

Quoted from Mayaman

Football's a funny old game.  Last season most of us wouldn't pick Luke Waterfall for a kick about on Sydney park.  This season he's been our most consistent player. Sousa might not quite be finished yet.

Rob Jones was terrible in his first season but brilliant in his second before earning a move to Hibs. Luke Waterfall is in his third season but he finally has a manager that recognises his strengths and the club is in a much better state which must help no end.

I'd be happy to keep Sousa as a squad player next season but I think we need to let Scannell go. There's a reason he's only played in 80 games in 5 years and I just don't think we would get more than 10-15 games out of him next season.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Rob Jones was terrible in his first season but brilliant in his second before earning a move to Hibs. Luke Waterfall is in his third season but he finally has a manager that recognises his strengths and the club is in a much better state which must help no end.

I'd be happy to keep Sousa as a squad player next season but I think we need to let Scannell go. There's a reason he's only played 80 games in 5 years and I just don't think we would get more than 10-15 games out of him next season.

I completely disagree. Why would you bin off one of the most talented players on your books? He’s been fit for more than half of this season but the manager chose not to pick him. He’s knuckled down and won his place on merit.

Don’t see why we are discussing whether to keep him or not next season at this stage.we still have 5 crucial league games to go and an unknown number of play off games. As he has played so little over last two years focus should be on earning current wages and we can then make.a much more informed decision in June

Quoted from pontoonlew

If the numbers are to be believed, Max is on a fraction of Scannells money and that could have a huge impact on any decision made between the two of them.

I really like them both and would like to see us stick with both, but I accept that’s a real risk for a (potentially) 5th division club.

This is an important factor that lots of fans don't take into account, they simply look at two players and say we should keep him rather than him.

Keeping scannell for example may mean limitations in other areas due to wage demands, and that doesn't even take into account the high likelihood of him being less available than desired.

The choice between scannnell, sousa and Wright is unlikely to be a level playing field in terms of the cost for each.

I like max for his pace and directness but even at a low cost I'd be amazed he is given yet another contract because he's never fit to use those qualities. Sousa has some qualities in terms of retaining possession and getting us up the pitch but his end product is woeful. Scannell has years and years of evidence of not playing, last year on his few appearances he showed nice touches but no game impact, in his last few games he has looked pretty good to be fair.

Personally I'd be surprised if we hold on to more than one of the above.

Quoted from toontown

This is an important factor that lots of fans don't take into account, they simply look at two players and say we should keep him rather than him.

Keeping scannell for example may mean limitations in other areas due to wage demands, and that doesn't even take into account the high likelihood of him being less available than desired.

The choice between scannnell, sousa and Wright is unlikely to be a level playing field in terms of the cost for each.

I like max for his pace and directness but even at a low cost I'd be amazed he is given yet another contract because he's never fit to use those qualities. Sousa has some qualities in terms of retaining possession and getting us up the pitch but his end product is woeful. Scannell has years and years of evidence of not playing, last year on his few appearances he showed nice touches but no game impact, in his last few games he has looked pretty good to be fair.

Personally I'd be surprised if we hold on to more than one of the above.

Whatever money he is on now won’t be repeated age 31 and hardly played for 5 years so not sure how relevant this is in the debate . Would also be suprised if he was on a particularly high salary now , that was not the previous owners style and he had hardly played for 3 years when he joined us . Who else is going to be offering him anything other then a play as you play contract. If he performs over next 5 to 8 games then great we get a payback for last 2 years .

Think I'll leave the decision to the manager.

Quoted from ginnywings

Think I'll leave the decision to the manager.

Give over. Let The Fishy have a bit of fun, we don’t get the chance to influence the new board like we did the old one 😂😂😂

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Give over. Let The Fishy have a bit of fun, we don’t get the chance to influence the new board like we did the old one 😂😂😂

You say that but we were moaning about the red seats a few days ago and suddenly they are available for Saturday.

Who is the new GetYourFactsRight?

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Give over. Let The Fishy have a bit of fun, we don’t get the chance to influence the new board like we did the old one 😂😂😂

Ok, I'll play.

I like Scannell; he's a cut above this level when given the chance, but whether he's value for money, only Hurst really knows the answer to that.

If we keep him, then great- if not, I won't lose any sleep over it.

Imo keep scannell and sousa next season if possible.

As for max Wright he's a town lad but we can't let sentiment rule over what's good for the club here unless we can agree some kind of pay as you play or a very small contract it's time he moved on unfortunately.

I think Scannell will be offered a new contract but with reduced terms, as his current contract was signed in League 2 and he is a risky investment.  If he can get a better contract elsewhere then we shouldn't move heaven and earth to keep him.  Both he and Sousa have good qualities for this level, but their shortcomings may require us to find better if we're to improve.

I believe the wage cap of £900k is still in place for next season so we'll have to be very financially efficient (if we're a National League club, of course).  All of our L2 contracts (McKeown, Rose, Scannell, Coke) expire in June so we should have a more balanced wage structure, potentially leaving room to persist with one or two of our rough but talented wingers.

Quoted from MarinerDevil

I think Scannell will be offered a new contract but with reduced terms, as his current contract was signed in League 2 and he is a risky investment.

Any competent board would have inserted relegation clauses into any contract signed by…

…oh…oh, I see…

Quoted from Poojah

Any competent board would have inserted relegation clauses into any contract signed by…

…oh…oh, I see…

We should also insert conspiracy clauses in the future so we don't get burdened with lunatics like Danny Rose for 2 years. We were told how all contracts had Covid clauses put in them so I'd like to think we had relegation clauses but I still imagine a relegation clause activated deal in the National League is still a very good wage for this level.

Quoted from MarinerDevil

I think Scannell will be offered a new contract but with reduced terms, as his current contract was signed in League 2 and he is a risky investment.  If he can get a better contract elsewhere then we shouldn't move heaven and earth to keep him.  Both he and Sousa have good qualities for this level, but their shortcomings may require us to find better if we're to improve.

I believe the wage cap of £900k is still in place for next season so we'll have to be very financially efficient (if we're a National League club, of course).  All of our L2 contracts (McKeown, Rose, Scannell, Coke) expire in June so we should have a more balanced wage structure, potentially leaving room to persist with one or two of our rough but talented wingers.

Coke re- signed last summer so is on a national league contract

Quoted from MuddyWaters

There's a reason why Sousa was last at Darlington and why Scannell has played in the Prem.

He’s got Huddersfield to the prem but never played in the prem even for Palace .

Can someone please tell me what Scannell gives to the team instead of Sousa?
On Monday Sean got on the ball, ran at their defence with little pace and lost position. He then put the ball well wide from a position where he had the keeper to beat. He seems to be a player who for a wide man has not a great deal of pace and stamina for the modern game. In Sousa at least he offers trickery, pace and an unpredictable nature if only his final ball and goals return was better.
In short I wouldn't consider Scannell for a new contract nor a regular spot in the team moving forward. However Hurst sees something in him and Sousa seems frozen out atm

Quoted from Stew0_0

Can someone please tell me what Scannell gives to the team instead of Sousa?
On Monday Sean got on the ball, ran at their defence with little pace and lost position. He then put the ball well wide from a position where he had the keeper to beat. He seems to be a player who for a wide man has not a great deal of pace and stamina for the modern game. In Sousa at least he offers trickery, pace and an unpredictable nature if only his final ball and goals return was better.
In short I wouldn't consider Scannell for a new contract nor a regular spot in the team moving forward. However Hurst sees something in him and Sousa seems frozen out atm

Sousa is frozen out because he can't finish as you say. Does all the hard work then fluffs the easy bit over and over, this is why he's at this level. Scannell wouldn't be anywhere near us if he didn't have the injury problems he's had. From what I've seen of Scannell, which admittedly isn't much, he's impressed. I guess if your opinion of a player is based on how exciting and fast they are then Sousa is our best player but I prefer results and all round quality. Unless Sousa can prove himself when it comes to finishing chances and train hard in that part of his game then I'm confused how he's expected to be a L2 player.

Quoted from Stew0_0

Can someone please tell me what Scannell gives to the team instead of Sousa?
On Monday Sean got on the ball, ran at their defence with little pace and lost position. He then put the ball well wide from a position where he had the keeper to beat. He seems to be a player who for a wide man has not a great deal of pace and stamina for the modern game. In Sousa at least he offers trickery, pace and an unpredictable nature if only his final ball and goals return was better.
In short I wouldn't consider Scannell for a new contract nor a regular spot in the team moving forward. However Hurst sees something in him and Sousa seems frozen out atm

Wow. You’re judging a footballer on an isolated incident on a bobbly pitch. Watch the Stockport game back and you’ll see the difference between Sousa and Scannell. Scannell tracks the opposite full back as well as going forward, the defensive side of Sousa’s game is pretty much non existent.

Quoted from Stew0_0

Can someone please tell me what Scannell gives to the team instead of Sousa?
On Monday Sean got on the ball, ran at their defence with little pace and lost position. He then put the ball well wide from a position where he had the keeper to beat. He seems to be a player who for a wide man has not a great deal of pace and stamina for the modern game. In Sousa at least he offers trickery, pace and an unpredictable nature if only his final ball and goals return was better.
In short I wouldn't consider Scannell for a new contract nor a regular spot in the team moving forward. However Hurst sees something in him and Sousa seems frozen out atm

No pace?..he's pretty quick if you watch him closely, he's one of those clever players who slows down then puts in a burst of pace to best his man, has quick feet too and is physically stronger than Sousa.

Quoted from 123614

Aren't stats wonderful, now can you prove to us that Scannell is only fit for 35% of a season?

  100% - 65%  =  35%   simple

Quoted from arryarryarry

In the last six seasons Scannell has started on average less than 10 League games a season and so far this season has only started 3.

But how many of those games was he injured, or purely not selected by the Manager, give me some proof, not speculation!

Quoted from 123614

But how many of those games was he injured, or purely not selected by the Manager, give me some proof, not speculation!

Since the end of the 2015-16 season he hasn't managed to play in half of the games of any season and has played in less than 100 competitive games for whatever reason during what is supposed to be the prime of his career and that is a concern.

Contrast that with the period 2007-2016 where he played the majority of most seasons and amassed just under 300 competitive appearances.

Scannell is miles ahead of Sousa for end product and skill plus his experience. He’ll prove to be a huge asset in the run in I’m sure.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Wow. You’re judging a footballer on an isolated incident on a bobbly pitch. Watch the Stockport game back and you’ll see the difference between Sousa and Scannell. Scannell tracks the opposite full back as well as going forward, the defensive side of Sousa’s game is pretty much non existent.

you and I are both big Scannel fans, and have advocated his inclusion for a long time, but i disagree about Sousa's defensive game being non existent, he does work hard getting back

Quoted from 123614

But how many of those games was he injured, or purely not selected by the Manager, give me some proof, not speculation!

Is it me or is this a bit of a vacuous argument.

Not fit or deemed not good enough to be selected still equals hardly any games for about five seasons.

Why not let him just play and hopefully prove his worth to season end??

Quoted from jamesgtfc

We should also insert conspiracy clauses in the future so we don't get burdened with lunatics like Danny Rose for 2 years. We were told how all contracts had Covid clauses put in them so I'd like to think we had relegation clauses but I still imagine a relegation clause activated deal in the National League is still a very good wage for this level.

I’m starting to think that with all the crazy sh.it that’s going on in the world over the last few years Danny Rose may not be the lunatic many thought he was

I was told that scannell has been fully fit for c6 m ,but there was a financial/ contract reason why he wasnt playing.

Then a couple of days ago someone mentioned that  certain players weren't bring picked because if they played x number of games its trigger an automatic contract extension.
Could that have been scannell, and now thrres no possibility of that extension being triggered, hirst is free to play him every game?

I do.love a good conspiracy theory  but the timings and circumstances are certainly interesting

Quoted from forza ivano

I was told that scannell has been fully fit for c6 m ,but there was a financial/ contract reason why he wasnt playing.

Then a couple of days ago someone mentioned that  certain players weren't bring picked because if they played x number of games its trigger an automatic contract extension.
Could that have been scannell, and now thrres no possibility of that extension being triggered, hirst is free to play him every game?

I do.love a good conspiracy theory  but the timings and circumstances are certainly interesting

I think a few players have extensions that we are "in danger" of triggering. I wouldn't be surprised if the likes of Efete, Fox, Crookes, Sousa and Taylor are in this position.

Efete, Fox and Taylor are probably players Hurst would like next season but Crookes and Sousa may have question marks over them. I said a while back that I would like to keep 1 of Crookes and Amos. Maybe I'm suffering from present bias but I really want to see Amos here next season.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

I think a few players have extensions that we are "in danger" of triggering. I wouldn't be surprised if the likes of Efete, Fox, Crookes, Sousa and Taylor are in this position.

Efete, Fox and Taylor are probably players Hurst would like next season but Crookes and Sousa may have question marks over them. I said a while back that I would like to keep 1 of Crookes and Amos. Maybe I'm suffering from present bias but I really want to see Amos here next season.

According to Cod Almighty, these are the players whose contracts are up at the end of this season.

Max Crocombe
James McKeown
Danny Amos
Adam Crookes
Jordan Cropper
Michie Efete
Jaz Goundry
Scott Burgess
Giles Coke
Ben Fox
Evan Khouri
Danny Rose
Erico Sousa
Max Wright
Luis Adlard
Lennel John-Lewis
Sean Scanell
Ryan Taylor

With Andy Smith, Joey Jones, Arjan Raikhy, Tristan Abrahams and Emmanuel Dieseruvwe currently here on loan, PH is going to have his work cut out to get us competitive for next season!

Quoted from Kris2

Sousa is frozen out because he can't finish as you say. Does all the hard work then fluffs the easy bit over and over, this is why he's at this level. Scannell wouldn't be anywhere near us if he didn't have the injury problems he's had. From what I've seen of Scannell, which admittedly isn't much, he's impressed. I guess if your opinion of a player is based on how exciting and fast they are then Sousa is our best player but I prefer results and all round quality. Unless Sousa can prove himself when it comes to finishing chances and train hard in that part of his game then I'm confused how he's expected to be a L2 player.

If someone made a video of Sousa runs, but left the final bit out, you would come out with a distorted "what a fantastic player, what's he doing at this level"? kind of question.
The answer is the final bit.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Since the end of the 2015-16 season he hasn't managed to play in half of the games of any season and has played in less than 100 competitive games for whatever reason during what is supposed to be the prime of his career and that is a concern.

Contrast that with the period 2007-2016 where he played the majority of most seasons and amassed just under 300 competitive appearances.

So you have no proof that he was injury prone then!

Sousa is gonna come on in the play-off final at 1-1 and do an amazing jinking run and slot it past the opposition keeper to win the game. Then he will be immortalised in Gy.

Quoted from 123614

So you have no proof that he was injury prone then!

I'd struggle to find "proof" that Darren Anderton was injury prone, but it doesn't mean he wasn't.

I would really hope we keep hold of Amos if we are still in this league, get a feeling he will get better and better with regular game time.

Quoted from GrimPol

If someone made a video of Sousa runs, but left the final bit out, you would come out with a distorted "what a fantastic player, what's he doing at this level"? kind of question.
The answer is the final bit.

All Sousa ever has been is a more pleasing on the eye hoof up the field by a centre back, if at 26/27 you find yourself languishing in the National League North there is a very good reason for that.

Hoodwinked many a fan on here but not too many football scouts.

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The way i see it, cant be many disagree

Max Crocombe  keep
James McKeown  thanks for your service but byebye
Danny Amos  keep
Adam Crookes     bye
Jordan Cropper   keep
Michie Efete    keep
Jaz Goundry  not a clue
Scott Burgess    bye
Giles Coke   bye
Ben Fox    keep
Evan Khouri  as he come on enough?
Danny Rose   bye
Erico Sousa   keep
Max Wright  bye
Luis Adlard  not sure
Lennel John-Lewis  bye
Sean Scanell  keep
Ryan Taylor   keep

Provided the ones we want to keep stay its looking pretty good this level or the one above.

Quoted from 123614

So you have no proof that he was injury prone then!

I never said he was but under different managers across 4 divisions over the course of 6 years he's managed to amass 20 appearances in all competitions once. Injury prone or not, that isn't a good sign is it?

Since the start of the 2016/17 he's played 5,299 minutes in all competitions which is the equivalent of almost 59 full games or an average of 56 minutes per appearance.

Quoted from male private Nale

All Sousa ever has been is a more pleasing on the eye hoof up the field by a centre back, if at 26/27 you find yourself languishing in the National League North there is a very good reason for that.

Hoodwinked many a fan on here but not too many football scouts.

Said this on several occasions, exciting players don't make great players unless there's an end product. Bit like Traore when he was at Wolves and maybe to a lesser extent, Saint Maximin at Newcastle. Jordan Maguire Drew and Sean Scannell are much less flashy than Sousa but substantially more effective.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Said this on several occasions, exciting players don't make great players unless there's an end product. Bit like Traore when he was at Wolves and maybe to a lesser extent, Saint Maximin at Newcastle. Jordan Maguire Drew and Sean Scannell are much less flashy than Sousa but substantially more effective.

I think this has been raised before by others on here, but one thing Sousa does give you is yards up the pitch. He carries the ball very well from our own final third into that of the opposition.

Clearly there are issues once he gets there, but that’s a kind of territorial gain that is valued more in other sports like American Football than in good, old fashioned English soccerball but it’s not to be ignored - it does take the pressure off in certain situations.

He hasn’t been in the team in recent weeks but I’d still like to think that he has a role to play in our promotion push this season.

There's an easy solution to Sousa ! It does mean a training programme centred on him - pardon the pun !

Make his runs by all means, he has skill st dribbling at speed and breaking through defenders, but have him practice centreing the ball at pace to the near and far post lengths, but at the six yards point away from the goal.

Just far enough out for any goalies to be wary, but just right for follow up fowards, especially if they are looking for that pass.

Forwards won't keep making runs if they know his shots are going into the stands, nor should they !

Abrahams would be a good poacher target for this type of cross field final pass, as he seems to be the most likely scrappy scruffy 6 yard sniffer at the moment.

Souza centering - could be lethal !! Refine that end product into something team useful !!

Quoted from monkeyboy

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The way i see it, cant be many disagree

Max Crocombe  keep
James McKeown  thanks for your service but byebye
Danny Amos  keep
Adam Crookes     bye
Jordan Cropper   keep
Michie Efete    keep
Jaz Goundry  not a clue
Scott Burgess    bye
Giles Coke   bye
Ben Fox    keep
Evan Khouri  as he come on enough?
Danny Rose   bye
Erico Sousa   keep
Max Wright  bye
Luis Adlard  not sure
Lennel John-Lewis  bye
Sean Scanell  keep
Ryan Taylor   keep

Provided the ones we want to keep stay its looking pretty good this level or the one above.

If he would take a wage cut I would keep Macca in some way or another

Quoted from acko338

There's an easy solution to Sousa ! It does mean a training programme centred on him - pardon the pun !

Make his runs by all means, he has skill st dribbling at speed and breaking through defenders, but have him practice centreing the ball at pace to the near and far post lengths, but at the six yards point away from the goal.

Just far enough out for any goalies to be wary, but just right for follow up fowards, especially if they are looking for that pass.

Forwards won't keep making runs if they know his shots are going into the stands, nor should they !

Abrahams would be a good poacher target for this type of cross field final pass, as he seems to be the most likely scrappy scruffy 6 yard sniffer at the moment.

Souza centering - could be lethal !! Refine that end product into something team useful !!

Good point. If several seasons of coaching and playing have not had the desired effect then try something else. Carry the ball up the pitch and cross to a set pattern every time.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Good point. If several seasons of coaching and playing have not had the desired effect then try something else. Carry the ball up the pitch and cross to a set pattern every time.

Would surely become predictable to defend against?!

Sousa was really important in that run at the start of the season. Defences sat deeper because they were scared of his pace and that created space for McAtee. He is undoubtedly frustrating but he still has qualities that can be really useful.

Quoted from smokey111

Would surely become predictable to defend against?!

Not really. There have been lots of wingers who did the same thing every time. You know it's coming but it's difficult to stop!

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Not really. There have been lots of wingers who did the same thing every time. You know it's coming but it's difficult to stop!

I get that. We all know Saka, Salah and Mahrez are going to drop a shoulder and shift the ball inside but it is not easy to stop. By the way I am not drawing comparisons with Scannell/Sousa and any of these!!!!

Quoted from smokey111

I get that. We all know Saka, Salah and Mahrez are going to drop a shoulder and shift the ball inside but it is not easy to stop. By the way I am not drawing comparisons with Scannell/Sousa and any of these!!!!

I like Sousa a lot. I think most Town fans do and it will be a great shame if we cannot harness all that skill for the benefit of the team. Sadly most of his final decisions don't work out whether it be a cross, a shot or a final ball. I think Acko has a good point - get him to do something that he doesn't have to think about and the strikers know is coming. No doubt if Hurst read our posts he would be laughing like a drain but it seems obvious to take out the thing he can't do! When there is a manager vacancy next I will apply.

It's fair enough for posters to point out what Sousa can't do - but he does win plenty of free kicks in the opposition half.

Plus his 'lack of end-product' is sometimes due to the only Town player in the opponent's penalty box being Taylor (with two large & ugly
CBs for company).

I like Sousa, and hope we persevere with him whatever league we're in next season. It's unfair to expect a NL winger to tick every box imo.

I can’t make my mind up with Sousa, or Scannell. Scannell is no doubt a far better footballer and should he be able to stay fit I think he’d go on to be a very handy player, and it seems Hurst likes him.

Sousa, I dunno. I can’t fault him and he no doubt plays his balderdash off but I can’t help think he looks like he’s won a prize…

Quoted from aldi_01

I can’t make my mind up with Sousa, or Scannell. Scannell is no doubt a far better footballer and should he be able to stay fit I think he’d go on to be a very handy player, and it seems Hurst likes him.

Sousa, I dunno. I can’t fault him and he no doubt plays his balderdash off but I can’t help think he looks like he’s won a prize…

Fair enough. I think you're right about Scannell - if he stays fit the club has done well.

On Sousa, I wouldn't be overjoyed to see him lining up for our opposition. He can run defenders ragged...

Brian Clough would have solved the problem  - he did when Alan Hinton wandered off from the touchline. He made him stay within 5 yards of the touchline and threatened to fine him if he left his post... and what a left winger he turned out to be..... after individual coaching - Cloughie style !!

With Scannell the decision will centre on  financial risk rather than ability. With Sousa, I think there are issues of confidence and communication with team mates and coaches. He performs best when the team generally are on the front foot but looks lost when we are under the cosh.

We swoon at his weaving runs on early season pitches and say how lucky we are to have him. Unfortunately, he seems unable to blend his skills to the needs of the team. How many times does he try to turn or meg a full back unnecessarily and give the ball away. Yes, he gets us up the pitch but then gets us galloping back towards our own goal.
He gives away free kicks in his own half and switches off when the resultant kick is taken quickly.
When he is on song linking with Michee, Taylor and McAtee then he looks great. Take away some of those elements and he struggles.

Perhaps he tunes out and fails to hear what coaches are telling him. Hopefully, he can retain a place on the bench and score a late winner on Saturday to get him back on track.  

Steve McManaman - left winger hugging the touchline, everyone knew he would drop the shoulder and cut inside - very few caught him !!

Alan Hinton - dare not stray from the touchline with Cloughie watching, but very effective in 2 European cup finals !!

Holohan, Taylor and McAtee as alternate targets?

Same system with corners - you have set routines, so you just have 3 set areas for those receiving to know where to be and Souza then delivers to whichever is easiest from where he is running.

Sounds simple, but needs a lot of practice and would make Souza more valuable !

Quoted from 137

Fair enough. I think you're right about Scannell - if he stays fit the club has done well.

On Sousa, I wouldn't be overjoyed to see him lining up for our opposition. He can run defenders ragged...

The only way Sousa will line up as our opposition is if we draw some part time club in the cup next season.

Sousa is 26 . Not improved over the whole season . Exciting player who gets the crowd on their feet but sadly no end product. Unlikely to now get any better .

Scannell showed today what he's about and apart from bringing two saves out of the keeper and also hitting the post, he played a couple of passes that wouldn't even have occurred to most players at this level, never mind Sousa.

He was still running at 90 mins as well, so he's clearly fit enough.

JMD and Jones looked like they were running in treacle at times, to give a comparison.

Quoted from ginnywings

Scannell showed today what he's about and apart from bringing two saves out of the keeper and also hitting the post, he played a couple of passes that wouldn't even have occurred to most players at this level, never mind Sousa.

He was still running at 90 mins as well, so he's clearly fit enough.

JMD and Jones looked like they were running in treacle at times, to give a comparison.

Apparently Jones was good at Chesterfield, however he’s been far less than good against Stockport and Torquay. Maybe Dagenham were right!

Scannell is like a new signing. Coming good at just the right time he could be really crucial in the play offs.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Apparently Jones was good at Chesterfield, however he’s been far less than good against Stockport and Torquay. Maybe Dagenham were right!

I can see why Hurst is playing him and what he brings to the team. He was definitely flagging second half though.

Can't argue with the results at the moment, so maybe PH knows something we don't?

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Apparently Jones was good at Chesterfield, however he’s been far less than good against Stockport and Torquay. Maybe Dagenham were right!

Thankfully we have Fox to come in and replace him. A midfield of Clifton, Fox and Holohan works for me.

He plays for me if he’s fit , somebody like him finds a way to assist/score in a tight play off game

Quoted from RonMariner

Thankfully we have Fox to come in and replace him. A midfield of Clifton, Fox and Holohan works for me.

For me too!