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RichMariner
June 22, 2022, 12:52pm
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Quoted from GollyGTFC


The EFL do have the 72 clubs best interest at heart.

But the PL held a gun to everyone’s head in 2016 when negotiating solidarity payments. Are 24 L1 clubs going to reject £975,000 a year each from the PL and the L2 clubs £650,000 a year over the EFL Trophy.

Take a look at the accounts of clubs in L1 & L2. The clubs can’t afford to lose that sort of money and begrudgingly fell into line.

In a similar way that the Trust did when Fenty demanded £200,000 of shares. Nobody wanted to do it but enough weren’t willing to say “no” and face the potential consequences.


So, hypothetically, in 2023, if the PL held a gun to the EFL's head and offered L1 and L2 clubs £3m each in return for accepting B-teams, and given the precedent set in 2016, do you think the EFL will have the nerve and the backbone to reject it?

Let's be honest, the PL is awash with cash. It could easily afford to do that.

So I disagree. My hunch is that the EFL are prone to buckle and I don't trust that they have our best interests at heart. If they see enough £££ they'll sell us down the river and it'll be up to the fans to unite and fight against it.


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So, hypothetically, in 2023, if the PL held a gun to the EFL's head and offered L1 and L2 clubs £3m each in return for accepting B-teams, and given the precedent set in 2016, do you think the EFL will have the nerve and the backbone to reject it?

Let's be honest, the PL is awash with cash. It could easily afford to do that.

So I disagree. My hunch is that the EFL are prone to buckle and I don't trust that they have our best interests at heart. If they see enough £££ they'll sell us down the river and it'll be up to the fans to unite and fight against it.


It’s not worth answered that because that (the financial offer) is not going to happen.
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So, hypothetically, in 2023, if the PL held a gun to the EFL's head and offered L1 and L2 clubs £3m each in return for accepting B-teams, and given the precedent set in 2016, do you think the EFL will have the nerve and the backbone to reject it?

Let's be honest, the PL is awash with cash. It could easily afford to do that.

So I disagree. My hunch is that the EFL are prone to buckle and I don't trust that they have our best interests at heart. If they see enough £££ they'll sell us down the river and it'll be up to the fans to unite and fight against it.


Actually, I have a question…

When you say “the EFL” who are you referring to?
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So, hypothetically, in 2023, if the PL held a gun to the EFL's head and offered L1 and L2 clubs £3m each in return for accepting B-teams, and given the precedent set in 2016, do you think the EFL will have the nerve and the backbone to reject it?

Let's be honest, the PL is awash with cash. It could easily afford to do that.

So I disagree. My hunch is that the EFL are prone to buckle and I don't trust that they have our best interests at heart. If they see enough £££ they'll sell us down the river and it'll be up to the fans to unite and fight against it.


Being cynical, do you mean brown envelopes?


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Under 21 sides in the EFL Trophy was the consequence of PL solidarity payment negotiations and there being no sponsor for the EFL Trophy in place for the 2016/17 season. The PL had the EFL over a barrel.

That isn’t the case now. It’s the PL on the back foot trying to ridicule, water down and ultimately abandon the Tracey Crouch report. The threat of it has seen the greedy 6 and the other 14 reunite:

Which is why clubs like our in the EFL should be campaigning for full implementation of the Tracey Crouch report.

There’s zero capital to be gained from bringing up a fight from 2016 that was 90% won when the Tracey Crouch report would allow, if implemented, the EFL to tell the PL to **** off and throw the under 21 sides out of the EFL Trophy.

If you are going to try and kill a snake you don’t do it by targeting it’s tail.



So what you meant to say was “no, they aren’t mutually exclusive”, rather than “yes”.

There’s nothing in your post that precludes people protesting against the continued existence of u21 youth teams in our competition, as well as the broader issue of Crouch’s reforms.

You won’t get rid of weeds by cutting the heads off, the whole thing needs to be removed.
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So what you meant to say was “no, they aren’t mutually exclusive”, rather than “yes”.

There’s nothing in your post that precludes people protesting against the continued existence of u21 youth teams in our competition, as well as the broader issue of Crouch’s reforms.

You won’t get rid of weeds by cutting the heads off, the whole thing needs to be removed.


Serious question…

Do you think the EFL Trophy will still exist in a couple of years or will we be left with just the EFL Cup without the Premier League clubs?
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This used to happen in England. During the 1960's I regularly used to watch Grimsby Town Reserves play in the old Midland League against teams like Goole Town and Belper.


But there was no pyramid back in those days with guaranteed promotion and relegation as there is in the modern era. Teams were elected in and out of the League on occasion, but the membership of the Midland League was relatively static. There was no promotion or relegation in the Midland League, for instance, so clubs joined and left but not through success or failure.

I'm sure that the SLFL has some sort of a rule or regulation which disallows promotion of the Old Firm B teams, but the thin end of the wedge is in now and the direction of travel tends to be one way in these situations.
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Greg dykes (fa chairman at the time) 4 point proposal of 2014 of which b teams was the main proposal. Efl chairman at the time Greg Clarke sat on the commission that proposed it. Allowing b teams into the trophy was a direct result of that.

https://www.theguardian.com/fo.....three-non-eu-players

https://www.independent.co.uk/.....bteams-10081423.html


Whilst I can see that the U21 @ PJ Trophy is part of the Greg Dyke and even Greg Clarke introduced it in the Project Big Picture, however, the current chair,  Rick Parry, is against it.


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