No Docks Stadium

The final plans for the docks by Tom Shutes include a swimming pool but NO stadium for the mariners. So regardless of positive thoughts on the site, it's not going to happen.


https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/unique-public-swimming-pool-part-9194918

Did I hear right, a public open air swimming pool.

I used to work on Pneumonia fish dock down there, the clue is in the name.

Wow, sounds absolutely rubbish. The Town needs something like what Liverpool did with the docks, not a swimming pool and salt Marsh. Would anybody travel to visit this?

Freemo not happening, Docks not happening. Its depressing thinking there is no plan for a new ground when there are clear opportunities in brilliant locations.

Sounds amazing. Look at places like Copenhagen where open water swimming is a big part of the culture, lots of people are bang into it.

Quoted from DB

The final plans for the docks by Tom Shutes include a swimming pool but NO stadium for the mariners. So regardless of positive thoughts on the site, it's not going to happen.


https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/unique-public-swimming-pool-part-9194918

This is only a planning application, doesn't mean anything is or isn't happening yet.

It's disappointing that another opportunity appears to have slipped by.  

Shutes plans are all a pipe dream

Although it would have been an iconic statement, I never thought town having a new ground on the docks would work. There would be far too many issues with security, road access and the fact that ABP own the land.

Same plans for the ice House, and nothings happened and probably won't, Shutes is full of shite with no money, he lives in cloud cuckoo land unfortunately.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

Same plans for the ice House, and nothings happened and probably won't, Shutes is full of shite with no money, he lives in cloud cuckoo land unfortunately.

What ever is planned it will be destroyed by the scrotes that live in this town, we can't have anything that people may enjoy.... I'm a bit of a misery I suppose but it's the truth.

State of this thread. There’s no wonder most young people leave at the first opportunity & the town’s a shitehole. One bloke with little real attachment to the town spends a wedge buying land & planning a massive redevelopment of the docks, trying to bring in investment, and a load of old codgers dump all over it.

Quoted from pen penfras

Wow, sounds absolutely rubbish. The Town needs something like what Liverpool did with the docks, not a swimming pool and salt Marsh. Would anybody travel to visit this?

I would to be fair, sounds pretty cool.  Wild water swimming is a big thing at the moment so an open air pool could work well.  It’s not like we’ve had something like that in the area historically and widely used 👀

Quoted from ska face

State of this thread. There’s no wonder most young people leave at the first opportunity & the town’s a shitehole. One bloke with little real attachment to the town spends a wedge buying land & planning a massive redevelopment of the docks, trying to bring in investment, and a load of old codgers dump all over it.

Indeed, typical Grimsby attitude. See also social media whenever there is a news story detailing any positive development in the town... "It looks excrement", "Will never happen", "Vandals will wreck it within 2 days", "we don't deserve it". I have to say it really pisses me off, other towns/cities seem to get excrement done and move forward, not here.

I never knew there were so many investment & urban regeneration experts on one message board.

Personally I hope something like this comes off as it would make a difference even if it just cleaned that space up a bit.

Quoted from ska face

State of this thread. There’s no wonder most young people leave at the first opportunity & the town’s a shitehole. One bloke with little real attachment to the town spends a wedge buying land & planning a massive redevelopment of the docks, trying to bring in investment, and a load of old codgers dump all over it.

Yes, how weird that Town fans on a GTFC board point out that the stadium has suddenly gone missing from the plans. Not the sort of thing any of us should be bothered about really I suppose.

Ask for change - moan about it when change happens - moan if it doesn’t - ask for change again - repeat

It’s an attitude engrained in the town and goes right through to the stands on a Saturday afternoon. Part of the answer as to why the town & the football club are stagnating lies quite close to home.

Quoted from ska face

State of this thread. There’s no wonder most young people leave at the first opportunity & the town’s a shitehole. One bloke with little real attachment to the town spends a wedge buying land & planning a massive redevelopment of the docks, trying to bring in investment, and a load of old codgers dump all over it.

Might be more prevalent in Grimsby than some other spots but by no means unique to GY... there's a huge generational gap with attitudes to development and change, and sadly NIMBYs (many of which bought their house for 3x national average salary or less and have seen their assets increase hugely in value) are a huge factor in why we are so behind as a country. HS2 as a case study... Meanwhile France, Spain and Italy look to legislate on flights to destinations that can be reached in under 2.5 hours by train, which thanks to their High Speed Rail investment is huge parts of the country.

My personal favourites are the ones who buy a new build then campaign to block other new houses being built.

Completely agree with your point about open water swimming. It's popular and quite an interesting facility to have in the town, not all that common. Been to one in Sale in Manchester that was extremely popular.

These plans look incredible. Would be huge for the area.

I regularly open water swim in the Docks and there's so much scope for it and water based activities to be a huge part of the local identify and economy.

Think small, get small.

Quoted from diehardmariner

These plans look incredible. Would be huge for the area.

I regularly open water swim in the Docks and there's so much scope for it and water based activities to be a huge part of the local identify and economy.

Think small, get small.

You actually swim in the docks?!?!

Quoted from diehardmariner

These plans look incredible. Would be huge for the area.

I regularly open water swim in the Docks and there's so much scope for it and water based activities to be a huge part of the local identify and economy.

Think small, get small.

I get your diehard reference now. Respect!

Quoted from ska face

Sounds amazing. Look at places like Copenhagen where open water swimming is a big part of the culture, lots of people are bang into it.

Whatever happened  to Scartho "Scaffa" Baths
Back in the day when we were kids as for Cleethorpes Bathing Pool now the leisure centre ?
But credit to those that do swim in the dock
"Grimsby Water rats"  if still exist ? Swim at Christmas / Boxing day annual event always in the paper ...Not for me
So a proper pool heated like "Scaffa" before i chuck me "Speedo's" on.

After he latest reports n how clean our country’s rivers are from sewage etc, I don’t think I’ll be betting my mankini on and having a dip!

If it comes off, I hope this new outdoor pool is a bloody sight warmer than the old Cleethorpes bathing pool. I gave a vague memory of going there one sunny day and being absolutely frozen for the whole trip!

Did anyone expect that we were going to build a new ground on the docks?

Seems like another thread to give posters the chance to moan about something a bit like transfer threads when we don’t sign someone we’ve probably never even spoken to!

Quoted from Maringer

If it comes off, I hope this new outdoor pool is a bloody sight warmer than the old Cleethorpes bathing pool. I gave a vague memory of going there one sunny day and being absolutely frozen for the whole trip!

Yes and the only time i remember too was in the
1970's heatwave summers 76/ 77  when it was warm
And one year covered in ladybirds.
As for talk of a new ground for me a serious investment
away from other people's projects.
UTM

Growing up in Mablethorpe there was an open water pool at Golden Sands (which was the biggest caravan park in Europe I think).  The pool was filled with spring water and always freezing.  You had to swim very fast to keep from shivering.  Surprised that Olympic swimmers were not produced.  

The town that’s got nothing, wants nothing and will get exactly that. Nuff said.

Quoted from Yarborough Vaults

Yes, how weird that Town fans on a GTFC board point out that the stadium has suddenly gone missing from the plans. Not the sort of thing any of us should be bothered about really I suppose.

Can you refresh my (fading) memory by providing an official link to anything from the club/owners that included a new stadium on the Docks. Thanks in advance..

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

Same plans for the ice House, and nothings happened and probably won't, Shutes is full of shite with no money, he lives in cloud cuckoo land unfortunately.

Accusing him of being a tyre kicker?

Quoted from barralad

Can you refresh my (fading) memory by providing an official link to anything from the club/owners that included a new stadium on the Docks. Thanks in advance..

Here's Shutes' original plan with the stadium on the Docks. Not that long ago either. Strange there hasn't been much of a clamour for an open air swimming pool previously given the reception this new idea is getting from the stadium deniers.

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/tom-shutes-reveals-stunning-plan-4110684

My only real gripe with schemes like this is the 1000 jobs tag they insert to the application.
The "town deal" original announcements stated 1000's of jobs to be created and housing as well as links up to the docks etc etc.

Shutes has ambitious plans...not knocking him for that but I do sometimes wonder how real he is actually being.

Quoted from Yarborough Vaults

Here's Shutes' original plan with the stadium on the Docks. Not that long ago either. Strange there hasn't been much of a clamour for an open air swimming pool previously given the reception this new idea is getting from the stadium deniers.

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/tom-shutes-reveals-stunning-plan-4110684

With the greàtest of respect that "plan" came from somebody who pulled out of another plan to buy the club. The article talks about Shutes speaking to John Fenty. Maybe I'm being over simplistic but it is hardly surprising that an up to date plan doesn't include an aspect he isn't invested in-unless you are suggesting that he should build the stadium and rent to the club?
If there is nothing from the current owners then, just my opinion, the criticism is a bit unfair.

Quoted from chaos33

You actually swim in the docks?!?!

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

I get your diehard reference now. Respect!

Honestly, it's not what you would expect. I'll try dig a photo out.

There are far more hardened people than me who go in all year round.  My enjoyment/tolerance caps out before the clocks go back.

Quoted from diehardmariner

These plans look incredible. Would be huge for the area.

I regularly open water swim in the Docks and there's so much scope for it and water based activities to be a huge part of the local identify and economy.

Think small, get small.

Exactly this.
From another open water swimmer at Grimsby Docks.
Open water swimming and other activities are growing all the time.
A great plan if it comes to fruition.

Quoted from Stadium

Exactly this.
From another open water swimmer at Grimsby Docks.
Open water swimming and other activities are growing all the time.
A great plan if it comes to fruition.

I bet you can name every open swimmer in this town, if people want to open swim they can already there is a big intercourse off estuary and dock in the town,  creating this will not be a 'build it and they will come' moment.

Quoted from male private Nale

I bet you can name every open swimmer in this town, if people want to open swim they can already there is a big intercourse off estuary and dock in the town,  creating this will not be a 'build it and they will come' moment.

Oh dear.
Embarrassing post.
Refer back to earlier comments.

State of this thread. There’s no wonder most young people leave at the first opportunity & the town’s a shitehole. One bloke with little real attachment to the town spends a wedge buying land & planning a massive redevelopment of the docks, trying to bring in investment, and a load of old codgers dump all over it.

Quoted from Stadium

Oh dear.
Embarrassing post.
Refer back to earlier comments.

State of this thread. There’s no wonder most young people leave at the first opportunity & the town’s a shitehole. One bloke with little real attachment to the town spends a wedge buying land & planning a massive redevelopment of the docks, trying to bring in investment, and a load of old codgers dump all over it.

He has a point though, I very much doubt the thousands of people that visit Cleethorpes do so to go paddling in the Humber.

You should be building attractions for the majority not a very small minority.

Quoted from male private Nale

I bet you can name every open swimmer in this town, if people want to open swim they can already there is a big intercourse off estuary and dock in the town,  creating this will not be a 'build it and they will come' moment.

No, you're absolutely right. Let's just do nothing and watch the town rot into obscurity. Those plans that are a bit different are for other towns.

Feel free to tell us your grand plan for regeneration and rejuvenation of Grimsby. Genuinely curious to see if it extends to anything beyond bringing back Mad Harry's and Norris The Rubber man.

Quoted from arryarryarry

He has a point though, I very much doubt the thousands of people that visit Cleethorpes do so to go paddling in the Humber.

You should be building attractions for the majority not a very small minority.

“Substantial commercial, office and light industrial spaces are proposed in new premises at the dock edge. The southern portion of the historic Fish Dock 2 will be reinstated. Significant public realm improvements will transform the approach to Grimsby Docks.

Overall, a wide range of uses for the 300,000 sq ft are planned, and are primarily designed to suit the green maritime and renewables sector.

Site owner and developer Tom Shutes, said: "My aim has always been to keep the history and the docks alive by physically reminding visitors of the functions of the Ice Factory, which served as a beating heart of the Kasbah region. In bringing the regeneration of the Ice Factory and Fish Dock 2 forward, we hope that the area will become the UK Capital of a new beating heart for the modern engineering businesses and innovators who today work in the offshore wind, renewables and green maritime sector."

Yes, sounds very small scale and for niche interests.

Quoted from arryarryarry

He has a point though, I very much doubt the thousands of people that visit Cleethorpes do so to go paddling in the Humber.

You should be building attractions for the majority not a very small minority.

Open water swimming is doubling and even trebling in popularity every single year and has done for the last five or six years.  That's a statement of fact. So there's a market for it, somewhere.

There's also a huge lack of facility to host it.  Swimming in the docks, like me and Stadium do, isn't particularly formalised. It's a bit rough and ready, but it's fine for me. There also isn't the scope for it to be done for the masses. I'm comfortable with how it is now, not everyone though and a lot of people prefer to have the benefit of OWS but with the set up, security and privacy you would in a pool.

The nearest facility for that to here is Activities Away which is a lake the other side of Lincoln. Personally I don't like lake swimming, to me it's a duck toilet but fair enough to those who do. The facility is quite basic yet the last time I looked it was about a tenner a visit. It's always busy.  Beyond that it's Holme Pierrepont at Nottingham.

Just because OWS might be a minority sport in Grimsby, it doesn't mean there isn't a demand for it. The facilities just aren't there.

If a really good OWS facility was built in Grimsby, Scunthorpe, Doncaster....wherever, people would travel and pay for it.  Just like how people go to Castleford to indoor ski.

I think we are all just sceptics as all the plans and suggested projects never seem to happen .It would be great to see one as ambitious as this come to fruition.But won't hold my breath.

Quoted from diehardmariner

No, you're absolutely right. Let's just do nothing and watch the town rot into obscurity. Those plans that are a bit different are for other towns.

Feel free to tell us your grand plan for regeneration and rejuvenation of Grimsby. Genuinely curious to see if it extends to anything beyond bringing back Mad Harry's and Norris The Rubber man.

Erm, what's your grand plan? this isn't yours it belongs to someone else.

As for mine, I do not have one but then I am not being paid an extortionate amount of money to come up with these white elephants. An open water swimming pool is so niche its a total non starter and I would put my last quid on this never seeing the light of day, thankfully.

Quoted from Yarborough Vaults

Yes, how weird that Town fans on a GTFC board point out that the stadium has suddenly gone missing from the plans. Not the sort of thing any of us should be bothered about really I suppose.

How exactly has a new stadium gone missing from the plans.

The stadium project was part of his plans to buy the club. He didn’t buy the club. Why would he plough on with a stadium project when the current owners won’t entertain even a discussion on the need for a new stadium and trot out BS like “we’re not filling BP” when we all know every half decent seat is sold to a STH and casual fans have to put up with heavily restricted views.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

How exactly has a new stadium gone missing from the plans.

The stadium project was part of his plans to buy the club. He didn’t buy the club. Why would he plough on with a stadium project when the current owners won’t entertain even a discussion on the need for a new stadium and trot out BS like “we’re not filling BP” when we all know every half decent seat is sold to a STH and casual fans have to put up with heavily restricted views.

As a businessman, TS may see our need for a new stadium and incorporate facilities within and adjacent to it that will make it a worthwhile business decision. He’d be guaranteed rent from the club to hire it, and also have a facility that could be used for whatever reasons that was deemed possible on non match days. Am not saying that he’s got upwards of £40m hidden under a mattress but I’d like to think that even if it was dismissed that there have at least been tentative discussions with JS and AP.

It’s not a situation that I like the idea of (not owning the ground - unless on a very long lease) but it could be one of the very few scenarios where we actually get to play in a new home stadium

This thread tells you everything you need to know about the mindset of a proportion of our support.

Quoted from male private Nale

Erm, what's your grand plan? this isn't yours it belongs to someone else.

As for mine, I do not have one but then I am not being paid an extortionate amount of money to come up with these white elephants. An open water swimming pool is so niche its a total non starter and I would put my last quid on this never seeing the light of day, thankfully.

Laughably out of touch.
You don't seem to understand the range of activities you can promote with such a development.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Open water swimming is doubling and even trebling in popularity every single year and has done for the last five or six years.  That's a statement of fact. So there's a market for it, somewhere.

There's also a huge lack of facility to host it.  Swimming in the docks, like me and Stadium do, isn't particularly formalised. It's a bit rough and ready, but it's fine for me. There also isn't the scope for it to be done for the masses. I'm comfortable with how it is now, not everyone though and a lot of people prefer to have the benefit of OWS but with the set up, security and privacy you would in a pool.

The nearest facility for that to here is Activities Away which is a lake the other side of Lincoln. Personally I don't like lake swimming, to me it's a duck toilet but fair enough to those who do. The facility is quite basic yet the last time I looked it was about a tenner a visit. It's always busy.  Beyond that it's Holme Pierrepont at Nottingham.

Just because OWS might be a minority sport in Grimsby, it doesn't mean there isn't a demand for it. The facilities just aren't there.

If a really good OWS facility was built in Grimsby, Scunthorpe, Doncaster....wherever, people would travel and pay for it.  Just like how people go to Castleford to indoor ski.

Activities Away is a very good example.
From a basic lake to a very successful business with watersports,aqua run events,food nights etc.
Remember when it was a fiver to swim there haha.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

This thread tells you everything you need to know about the mindset of a proportion of our support.

Not just our support but the apathy that lingers over the area in general. People moan about the state of the town but then moan when someone has ideas to improve it.

Stick an Aldi, B&M and Poundshop on it, be reet.

Quoted from AdamHaddock

Not just our support but the apathy that lingers over the area in general. People moan about the state of the town but then moan when someone has ideas to improve it.

That's a bit of a simplistic knock.

We'd all be doing cartwheels if a stadium was a part of the regeneration. But it's not. And I'm not convinced by open air swimming in that location as its hard enough staying alive in the Lower sometimes and that's when fully clothed and five pints in.

I can remember seeing the alkies doing open water swimming in people's park years ago but not many would chance it September to
April. Just seems daft to me and if that's not embracing opportunity then so be it.

Although it sounds like a nice idea, the only way a stadium on the Docks could ever become reality would be through serious government investment. As we know, the current bunch aren't even funding the basics for local government properly (though they are giving vast tracts of valuable land to their mates as part of the Freeports scam, with the country paying the enormous clean up costs for these sites). No chance of any funding from the Tories. From what the useless Rachel Reeves has said, there is no chance of any sort of funding from the next government, either.

Ultimately, without a sugar daddy willing to lose tens of millions, the only place any new stadium will appear is out of town and the task of financing it must surely be mind-bogglingly hard.

If they want to build a swimming pool then the best place would be Cleephorpes not Grimsby docks. It's mad to think that people will flock to Grimsby docks for open air swimming when we have a holiday resort up the road.

Quoted from mimma

If they want to build a swimming pool then the best place would be Cleephorpes not Grimsby docks. It's mad to think that people will flock to Grimsby docks for open air swimming when we have a holiday resort up the road.

  Strange thing, I'm sure we had an open air swimming pool in Cleethorpes once wasn't it called the bathing pool......it was cold but we had great fun there.

My gut tells me this is an absolute non-starter and dead on its aris within 12 months. I'm also not a businessman so it might be wildly successful.

I'd much rather we rejuvenate like Lincoln has, which is really busy now, just been into the centre today and it's heaving.

Quoted from male private Nale

Erm, what's your grand plan? this isn't yours it belongs to someone else.

As for mine, I do not have one but then I am not being paid an extortionate amount of money to come up with these white elephants. An open water swimming pool is so niche its a total non starter and I would put my last quid on this never seeing the light of day, thankfully.

I never claimed it was my plan. I'm not the one knocking plans to start with.

There's such an irony in you bemoaning white elephants when you had your tongue up the bottom of the king of white elephants for so long. How much was the bridge 20feet away from a perfectly good bridge? £1million upwards wasn't it. And who can forget the Palm Tree? Impossible to forget it because the pavements still direct to it!

Quoted from Stadium

Activities Away is a very good example.
From a basic lake to a very successful business with watersports,aqua run events,food nights etc.
Remember when it was a fiver to swim there haha.

Absolutely! Lots and lots of people prepared to travel over an hour for it.  Yet people won't travel that for a better facility on the Docks???

Quoted from mimma

If they want to build a swimming pool then the best place would be Cleephorpes not Grimsby docks. It's mad to think that people will flock to Grimsby docks for open air swimming when we have a holiday resort up the road.

Two different target audiences.

This isn't bucket and spade, dipping your toe in the water with a hankie on your head. It's serious swimming. Those who would be interested in the facility are probably less interested in having an ice-cream and fish & chips.

The docks itself is the absolute perfect location for it.

Quoted from Plankton

My gut tells me this is an absolute non-starter and dead on its aris within 12 months. I'm also not a businessman so it might be wildly successful.

I'd much rather we rejuvenate like Lincoln has, which is really busy now, just been into the centre today and it's heaving.

Lincoln has had the huge benefit/foresight of the University.

The income generated from the students is incredible. But with it has come extra facilties, including bars and pubs. That in turn has helped it grow as a day-drinking venue. The trains into the city are rammed on weekends with punters.

We won't be able to reproduce that. But we can produce something unique for us that brings in specific groups of people.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Two different target audiences.

This isn't bucket and spade, dipping your toe in the water with a hankie on your head. It's serious swimming. Those who would be interested in the facility are probably less interested in having an ice-cream and fish & chips.

The docks itself is the absolute perfect location for it.

HHmm thanks for that post / opinion/ i see your point
It could in turn bring a uniqueness to the town

Quoted from diehardmariner

Two different target audiences.

This isn't bucket and spade, dipping your toe in the water with a hankie on your head. It's serious swimming. Those who would be interested in the facility are probably less interested in having an ice-cream and fish & chips.

The docks itself is the absolute perfect location for it.

I have no idea about this type of sport, are there national/ international type events that could be attracted to the Town by such a facility?

Where I live there was money spent on mountain biking trails and we get a lot of international visitors along the routes and events a couple of times a year too. Outdoor sports are popular these days.

It's good that we finally have some clarity with what's happening on the docks.  I'd still like to know exactly why the stadium plan was dropped.

I'm not too unhappy.  Shutes was planning to make the same mistake as the 1982 board.  One upper tier would have ruined the atmosphere right from the start.

Quoted from ska face

State of this thread. There’s no wonder most young people leave at the first opportunity & the town’s a shitehole. One bloke with little real attachment to the town spends a wedge buying land & planning a massive redevelopment of the docks, trying to bring in investment, and a load of old codgers dump all over it.

Are you saying an outdoor pool and some commercial, office and light industrial units will encourage Grimsby's brightest young minds to stay in the town?  Okay, I won't try to argue with that.

Swimming is a very good form of exercise.

Quoted from barralad

With the greàtest of respect that "plan" came from somebody who pulled out of another plan to buy the club. The article talks about Shutes speaking to John Fenty. Maybe I'm being over simplistic but it is hardly surprising that an up to date plan doesn't include an aspect he isn't invested in-unless you are suggesting that he should build the stadium and rent to the club?
If there is nothing from the current owners then, just my opinion, the criticism is a bit unfair.

Stockwood and Pettit were part of the original consortium backing Shutes.  The latter quit at the last minute for "personal reasons", but didn't say if that meant the stadium was dead.  All we've had from the owners since then is "relocation not a priority".

They are being very savvy, very professional in a way.  They're not making promises they might not be able to keep, but equally not disenchanting ambitious supporters by saying "we have no intention of leaving Blundell Park".

They must realise that BP is an embarrassment in the post-Taylor era, but won't admit it.  That would be like Gerald Ratner saying his jewelry was cr@p.

Quoted from White_shorts

Stockwood and Pettit were part of the original consortium backing Shutes.  The latter quit at the last minute for "personal reasons", but didn't say if that meant the stadium was dead.  All we've had from the owners since then is "relocation not a priority".

They are being very savvy, very professional in a way.  They're not making promises they might not be able to keep, but equally not disenchanting ambitious supporters by saying "we have no intention of leaving Blundell Park".

They must realise that BP is an embarrassment in the post-Taylor era, but won't admit it.  That would be like Gerald Ratner saying his jewelry was cr@p.

If you think BP is an embarrassment mate, you should travel away... Sutton and Barrow make BP look like a work of art. 75% of the stadiums in this division are shitholes

Quoted from diehardmariner

I never claimed it was my plan. I'm not the one knocking plans to start with.

There's such an irony in you bemoaning white elephants when you had your tongue up the bottom of the king of white elephants for so long. How much was the bridge 20feet away from a perfectly good bridge? £1million upwards wasn't it. And who can forget the Palm Tree? Impossible to forget it because the pavements still direct to it!

I always knew about OWS but didn't actually realise how big it was until I ended up at an event with one of my friends, so many people there and like you've said it's growing. It's something myself i've wanted to get into but didn't really know how to get started, i've been in the docks but again like you stated before it wasn't for me. I'll definitely be giving this new place a try if it gets built.

Quoted from White_shorts

Stockwood and Pettit were part of the original consortium backing Shutes.  The latter quit at the last minute for "personal reasons", but didn't say if that meant the stadium was dead.  All we've had from the owners since then is "relocation not a priority".

They are being very savvy, very professional in a way.  They're not making promises they might not be able to keep, but equally not disenchanting ambitious supporters by saying "we have no intention of leaving Blundell Park".

They must realise that BP is an embarrassment in the post-Taylor era, but won't admit it.  That would be like Gerald Ratner saying his jewelry was cr@p.

Unfortunately, the previous bloke in charge decided to either not spend money on the stadium or do it on the cheap. Add that to the £2-3m (not a clue at how much tbh) that was wasted on vanity projects that never materialised, then those 1878 chaps that you’ve castigated would have had possibly more money to invest into the facilities.

Quoted from Stadium

Laughably out of touch.
You don't seem to understand the range of activities you can promote with such a development.

People like him are tarantulas who want to decry everything. A significant reason why our town is held back.

Quoted from Swansea_Mariner

I have no idea about this type of sport, are there national/ international type events that could be attracted to the Town by such a facility?

Where I live there was money spent on mountain biking trails and we get a lot of international visitors along the routes and events a couple of times a year too. Outdoor sports are popular these days.

Hand on heart I don't know if could be of the scale to attract international competition. At present it's difficult to see beyond not having the other infrastructure to support that.

However, everything has to have a starting point.  What I can say with a degree of certainty though is that the popularity is growing and there's a distinct lack of good OWS venues, especially in this region of the country.

I've said a few times before that I really believe and hope in the potential for what that stretch of water could do for the area. Right from Ross Tiger all the way up to the Pier.  Fingers crossed this could be the catalyst.

Quoted from LocalLadGTFC

I always knew about OWS but didn't actually realise how big it was until I ended up at an event with one of my friends, so many people there and like you've said it's growing. It's something myself i've wanted to get into but didn't really know how to get started, i've been in the docks but again like you stated before it wasn't for me. I'll definitely be giving this new place a try if it gets built.

I'd say it's very much something you need to try a good few times to get through that initial dislike phase.

Have you tried the sea front instead?