Ched Evans

Won the right to an appeal.

Good news for him, the case absolutely stinks IMO.

If we signed him he might score 10 goals in his first 5 games,

BUT

Hurst would still leave him on the bench  after that.

Amazing. A new record for turning a thread into an anti-Hurst one.

Interesting. Wonder what this 'fresh evidence' is.

Am I right in thinking this is quite a big step in that hardly any appeals get granted by the CCRC?

Quoted from LH

Amazing. A new record for turning a thread into an anti-Hurst one.

Yep. Pathetic isnt it. No chance of anything approaching debate.

The whole case has had an uncomfortable feel to it from Day 1. An appeal hearing will define things far more clearly...

ched evans appeal thread turned into an anti hurst one, ridiculous

don't know enough about the case to comment on whether hes guilty or not but evidence must be pretty good for his case to have the right to an appeal

I think you're right Abdul. Convictions are about as water tight as you can get and that's why it's big news when people are acquitted of convictions for murder etc.

Obviously I've not seen any evidence or the court case itself but it doesn't seem right at all that he was convicted and big Clayton McDonald wasn't. Personally I think there will be a lot of people (70,000 on the Oldham petition) with egg on their face after this hearing.

No doubt it will once again devide opinion. A minefield of a subject and emotions will once again rise.  Hard to judge. But given the facts that I've seen. Quite frankly, there but for the grace of God go I. And many others I know.

Quoted from barralad

Yep. Pathetic isnt it. No chance of anything approaching debate.

Ok as Hurst's defence council,

You start with his defence , why are we drawing so many games,

Why does he urine strikers off by dropping them even though they have been doing their job,

Why does he keep playing a loan player who has failed to score,

Have you noticed how many goals Cook has scored last season and this for Barrow ?

With the right encouragement he could have been a decent player for us,

Need I go on ?

See you at Braintree mate.

This is a thread about a non GTFC related subject. If you want to spout the same shite over and over do it on one of the dozens of other ones on this board.

Yep the whole case was littered with balderdash.

Defintley wasnt a shut and closed case.

Quoted from grimsby pete

Ok as Hurst's defence council,

You start with his defence , why are we drawing so many games,

Why does he urine strikers off by dropping them even though they have been doing their job,

Why does he keep playing a loan player who has failed to score,

Have you noticed how many goals Cook has scored last season and this for Barrow ?

With the right encouragement he could have been a decent player for us,

Need I go on ?

See you at Braintree mate.

I might be prepared to debate Hurst's abilities as a manager on a thread designed for that purpose. However this thread has absolutely nothing to do with him. As for needing to gop on. Only you can answer that. I'm afraid I won't be at Braintree so perhaps you could let me have a balanced report on how the game went?

Quoted from barralad

I might be prepared to debate Hurst's abilities as a manager on a thread designed for that purpose. However this thread has absolutely nothing to do with him. As for needing to gop on. Only you can answer that. I'm afraid I won't be at Braintree so perhaps you could let me have a balanced report on how the game went?

I will be delighted to give my honest views on the game in the just back thread Ian.

Nothing will come of it. Surely he'll be in line for millions if aquitted

Quoted from nightrider

Nothing will come of it. Surely he'll be in line for millions if aquitted

Tend to agree - that's Travelodgical  

Quoted from nightrider

Nothing will come of it. Surely he'll be in line for millions if aquitted

There will be firms of barristers queuing up. Loss of liberty compensation. Loss of earnings (I wonder how much a League 1 (?) forward is on these days) and loss of future earnings (Welsh caps leading to a big transfer).

I honestly don't think cost comes into it. British justice is above that.

Quoted from nightrider

Nothing will come of it. Surely he'll be in line for millions if acquitted

He won't be in line for millions. The appeal will decide if a jury presented with this new evidence could have reached a different verdict. If the answer is yes the Judge can order an acquittal or order a new trial (and the CPS may not pursue a new trial if they believe that there isn't a realistic prospect of a conviction).

If Evans conviction is quashed he is NOT automatically entitled to compensation. He must prove on the balance of probabilities (different from beyond reasonable doubt) that he did not commit the crime. A fair number of people who have been found not guilty at the court of appeal have been refused compensation on the grounds that they could not prove that they were innocent. My guess is that were he to be found not guilty it would be quite difficult for him to prove that he was innocent.

Even if he were to be freed compensation for those serving less than ten years in prison is capped at £500k. The guidelines suggest that compensation is paid on a basis of 1.5 x the median wage (about 35k per year) plus reasonable legal expenses and reasonable travel expenses for the family of the exonoree. Reasonable is the key word here. My guess is that he would receive somewhere around 100k if were to receive compensation.

Quoted from horsforthmariner

He won't be in line for millions. The appeal will decide if a jury presented with this new evidence could have reached a different verdict. If the answer is yes the Judge can order an acquittal or order a new trial (and the CPS may not pursue a new trial if they believe that there isn't a realistic prospect of a conviction).

If Evans conviction is quashed he is NOT automatically entitled to compensation. He must prove on the balance of probabilities (different from beyond reasonable doubt) that he did not commit the crime. A fair number of people who have been found not guilty at the court of appeal have been refused compensation on the grounds that they could not prove that they were innocent. My guess is that were he to be found not guilty it would be quite difficult for him to prove that he was innocent.

Even if he were to be freed compensation for those serving less than ten years in prison is capped at £500k. The guidelines suggest that compensation is paid on a basis of 1.5 x the median wage (about 35k per year) plus reasonable legal expenses and reasonable travel expenses for the family of the exonoree. Reasonable is the key word here. My guess is that he would receive somewhere around 100k if were to receive compensation.

Thanks for that. Very interesting contribution. I didn't realise compensation levels were capped in that way.

Quoted from barralad

Thanks for that. Very interesting contribution. I didn't realise compensation levels were capped in that way.

Only till Jeremy Corbyn and co get in power. Then it will be a bloody free for all.
🎣

Quoted from barralad

Thanks for that. Very interesting re  I didn't realise compensation levels were capped in that way.

It is interesting what the general public perceive in relation to compensation claims,it is not a gravy train and every penny won is assessed under strict criteria.

Quoted from grimsby pete

Have you noticed how many goals Cook has scored last season and this for Barrow ?


See you at Braintree mate.

Cook will never play for a team that is promoted out of this division. You're using it as a stick to beat Hurst with but it clearly shows he can improve a squad as Cook is not as good as any of the strikers on our books.

Quoted from mariner91

Cook will never play for a team that is promoted out of this division. You're using it as a stick to beat Hurst with but it clearly shows he can improve a squad as Cook is not as good as any of the strikers on our books.

Please explain hoe he has improved Bogle and Amond while they have been with us.

Quoted from grimsby pete

Please explain hoe he has improved Bogle and Amond while they have been with us.

I didn't say he had improved individuals. I said he'd improved the squad. Which he has. Amond and Bogle are both much better strikers than Cook and Hannah.

Quoted from mariner91

I didn't say he had improved individuals. I said he'd improved the squad. Which he has. Amond and Bogle are both much better strikers than Cook and Hannah.

Agree but Cook and Hannah were better strikers when they arrived than when they left.

Quoted from grimsby pete

Agree but Cook and Hannah were better strikers when they arrived than when they left.

Hannah had a purple patch on loan which gave an unrealistic view to his ability. He did nothing at Bradford being signing for us and if he was that good would have gone somewhere better than Chester. He's not a bad player but this idea that Hurst ruined him is farcical.

Cook wasn't ruined by Hurst but by his own laziness meaning he didn't get in the team and never gained any form. In his second season he looked less like a professional athlete than I do and I'm not particularly fit. Also note just how easily our defence handled him when we played Barrow.

Thought this thread was about Ched Evans.  

Quoted from ginnywings

Thought this thread was about Ched Evans.  

EXACTLY-Nail on the head...

You'd think it was Paul Hurst in the dock....mind you there are plenty who would like that and not many of them would throw him a line if he were

ph ruins strikers? What a ridiculous suggestion!! The ones we let go have gone to lesser clubs, the one who was poached by a league club played the most for us. Coincidence? I think not. its just pathetic how much ridicule hurst gets on here. And this is after drawing against the league leaders!!

I dont know why it bothers people so much that someone's mentioned Hurst, just scroll past it if you don't want to read it

If Evans had had Hurst as his lawyer he'd have walked (cos he's good at defence!!!!!!!!11111)

Quoted from Mariner93er

I dont know why it bothers people so much that someone's mentioned Hurst, just scroll past it if you don't want to read it

Because it shouldn't be too much to expect that when opening a thread that the posts contained within it should relate to the topic in the title. It's not as if there are aren't countless threads where the posts could fit quite well.

Quoted from LH

Amazing. A new record for turning a thread into an anti-Hurst one.

Think it was tongue in cheek to be fair.  

A national paper said today that referring this case straight to the Court of Appeal was very unusual. Onlly about 1 case in 33 is referred there direct. The new evidence seems to be very compelling.

The article also said that a "defence" website had reported that the alleged victim had (allegedly) a new pink mini and had had at least one foreign holiday.   The paper said that this article has since been removed.  

People can draw their own conclusions from the above.

Quoted from grimsby pete

Ok as Hurst's defence council,

You start with his defence , why are we drawing so many games,

Why does he urine strikers off by dropping them even though they have been doing their job,

[/b]Why does he keep playing a loan player who has failed to score,[b]

Have you noticed how many goals Cook has scored last season and this for Barrow ?

With the right encouragement he could have been a decent player for us,

Need I go on ?

See you at Braintree mate.

When you sign a player on loan, the club loaning the player are paying a large percentage of the players wages in return for match time. In a lot of cases there are clauses that the player has to play X amount of minutes while on loan.
That's why it's a gamble bringing a player in on loan when you have already performing, just to cover for injuries, as you have to play them.

I'm guessing the x in Patrick Bamford's (for example) contract is 1.

Quoted from The Yard Dog

When you sign a player on loan, the club loaning the player are paying a large percentage of the players wages in return for match time. In a lot of cases there are clauses that the player has to play X amount of minutes while on loan.
That's why it's a gamble bringing a player in on loan when you have already performing, just to cover for injuries, as you have to play them.

Yes I think that must be the case.

Probally get let off, then loads of League 1/2 clubs will be after him, which is a pity really, because as it stands I don't think there would be any better place for him to start than in the non-league.

Swoop while the iron is hot, months training with the club boom! One Championship / League 1 top striker in the bag - 18 month contract, with a release clause of 500K if a club bids for him - best for both parties.

See you all in League 2 next year.

Quoted from grimsby pete

Ok as Hurst's defence council,

You start with his defence , why are we drawing so many games,

Why does he urine strikers off by dropping them even though they have been doing their job,

Why does he keep playing a loan player who has failed to score,

Have you noticed how many goals Cook has scored last season and this for Barrow ?

With the right encouragement he could have been a decent player for us,

Need I go on ?

See you at Braintree mate.

You're really bringing Andy Cook into this!? He was fat and lazy in his second season here. His own fault, no one elses, Add to that he was bloody useless when they played us at BP earlier this season!

Quoted from gtfc98

You're really bringing Andy Cook into this!? He was fat and lazy in his second season here. His own fault, no one elses, Add to that he was bloody useless when they played us at BP earlier this season!

How many goals has he sored this season ?

The problem with Cook was he was a young player who moved miles away from his friends and family.  While he was here he got in with the wrong social circle, who took advantage of a young footballer living away.

Now he is back close to his friends and family he is again preforming for Barrow. I believe with the right support away from football, Cook would have been an asset to GTFC (we supporters sometimes forget what happens outside Blundell Park, can also have an affect on players, especially a young footballer moving away from for the fist time).

I can remember when I moved to London when I was just eighteen, living away from friends and family took time to adjust to a different way of living.  

Cook had that to deal with, along with the added pressure of being expected to score goals.

I think in a few years a more mature Cook will be a real asset to a lower league football club and his experience at Grimsby Town will benefit him in the long run.

Isn't it time this thread was locked. I've got confused to who is appealing what?? Is Evens is appealing a conviction against Cook because Hurst turned Hannah into a rubbish player?

Jesus Christ.

Quoted from topuphere666

Isn't it time this thread was locked. I've got confused to who is appealing what?? Is Evens is appealing a conviction against Cook because Hurst turned Hannah into a rubbish player?

Jesus Christ.

Is that the latest betting on whether he will get off.

Think Andy Cook never really settled in Grimsby,perhaps the only place he could settle is Barrow.

Quoted from grimsby pete

How many goals has he sored this season ?

What's this season got to do with anything? He doesn't play for us anymore!

Quoted from gtfc98

What's this season got to do with anything? He doesn't play for us anymore!

What I was trying to get over was this,

Cook was good at his job and he scored goals that was why we signed him,

He came to us and slowly lost his ability to do his job,

Now he is back at Barrow doing a good job and scoring goals,

So why did he fail with us ?

Whatever the outcome of the appeal ched Evans is a low life scum bag with the morals of a alley cat and to keep some balance I don't think the girl was any better tbh .the reality is people with money can explore different avenues of legality to get the result their looking for just like he's doing ...and has for him playing for us no fookiin thanks

Quoted from grimsby pete

So why did he fail with us ?

As the saying goes, the harder you work, the luckier you get.

Cook wasn't nearly lucky enough when he played for us.  

Quoted from friskneymariner

Think Andy Cook never really settled in Grimsby,perhaps the only place he could settle is Barrow.

So you think he's only capable of doing a barrow job.