All looks good for our coffers

https://twitter.com/d3d4football/status/1327304222522683393?s=09

Dembele ripping the league up on dribbling. Hopefully bigger teams in the Premiership might start to take notice rather than the lesser teams that were originally named as showing interest in him.

2 or 3 Premier League clubs putting him at the top of their January priorities would be ideal and help push his price up further.

Maybe get a bigger fee if we pointed out that his number of successful dribbles (84) is a massive 37 more than Mayor in 2nd place (47).

Remarkably, Dembele is so good that he has a bigger “lead” over 2nd place than the numbers between 2nd and 10th place.

He is the Lewis Hamilton of Div 1 successful dribbles.  😁😁

I remember reading about Dembeles background before he joined us and I was optimistic due to him being scouted as part of Nikes most wanted trials.

Iam pleased for him that he has topped that list in the opening post  and not surprised as he was a joy to watch when I saw him play. Skilful and quick.

Wasted talent under Slade. We use to ask what's the point of having him come back to defend a corner, when he could be left up to occupy their defenders. They would have been scared to death of the prospect of him chasing them with a clearance.

Pay Mr Fenty off with the money (if it happens) to attract some proper investment so Ollie can take us all the way to the Championship stroke Prem  

Quoted from mimma

Wasted talent under Slade. We use to ask what's the point of having him come back to defend a corner, when he could be left up to occupy their defenders. They would have been scared to death of the prospect of him chasing them with a clearance.

Dembele reminded me a bit of Raheem Sterling albeit a poorer version. But certainly when he was here my favourite player by far.

No doubt a talented lad, albeit frustrating occasionally, but perhaps that was the style, the coaching and the system we played. On occasions he wasn’t very effective but again, see above.

Has anyone any idea what a sell on could be? We’ve never been very shrewd in the past when it comes to things like this.

If we were to make a substantial amount could it not be reinvested in our youth system or training facilities rather than just continually ploughing cash in to the playing budget to finish 15th every season.

We’ve seen our youth system produce players, with additional support and investment some of those players could go on and make it, even if it’s not at town. That can only be a good thing surely?

The terms of Fenty’s loan repayments should have been set, based on financial performance, and then a clear exit strategy to remove him from the board once the loans have gone.

Has anyone had access to the full accounts yet?

Quoted from aldi_01

No doubt a talented lad, albeit frustrating occasionally, but perhaps that was the style, the coaching and the system we played. On occasions he wasn’t very effective but again, see above.

Has anyone any idea what a sell on could be? We’ve never been very shrewd in the past when it comes to things like this.

If we were to make a substantial amount could it not be reinvested in our youth system or training facilities rather than just continually ploughing cash in to the playing budget to finish 15th every season.

We’ve seen our youth system produce players, with additional support and investment some of those players could go on and make it, even if it’s not at town. That can only be a good thing surely?

25% according to the other recent thread on Dembele. Apparently confirmed by Day on Humberside.

Quoted from aldi_01

No doubt a talented lad, albeit frustrating occasionally, but perhaps that was the style, the coaching and the system we played. On occasions he wasn’t very effective but again, see above.

Has anyone any idea what a sell on could be? We’ve never been very shrewd in the past when it comes to things like this.

If we were to make a substantial amount could it not be reinvested in our youth system or training facilities rather than just continually ploughing cash in to the playing budget to finish 15th every season.

We’ve seen our youth system produce players, with additional support and investment some of those players could go on and make it, even if it’s not at town. That can only be a good thing surely?

How many quality players have we actually sold in the last 20 years that have given town the opportunity to include a decent sell on clause? Yesteryear both Croft and Oster were sold for decent fees, from reports we received 25% of Bennett’s sell on fee, Bogle decent fee but he was then moved on by Wigan at a loss or at best break even price. Burrell is too soon to say but not seen his name on the first team sheet despite Borough always struggling to score goals.

Unfortunately, like Burrell, most decent youngsters are hoovered up by the big boys before they reach puberty thus we get a pittance for them. It’s really difficult to get a good player through our system without the vultures swooping hence the alleged recent interest in two of our youngsters from Chelsea.

Quoted from aldi_01

Has anyone any idea what a sell on could be? We’ve never been very shrewd in the past when it comes to things like this.

We got 25% on Bennett, had the same on Bogle but he went for the same amount. How much more do you think other clubs are getting? Because I'll tell you for a fact that NO clubs get a higher sell on fee than that! But no worries, just make more excrement up to sling at the club

25% on Dembele. For a club like us, the big money is made when the players we sell move on again. I remember under Jolley in the middle of a relegation battle someone passed the ball to him whilst he was tying his laces. I don't think he played for Jolley again.

Bogle is unfortunate, if he had gone to League 1 instead of Wigan, we could have got some sell-on money but it's all speculative.

25% is a good deal, I doubt there are many better sell-on clauses out there!

I seem to remember we had a 50% sell on on Darren Wrack - it was so big they never bothered selling him!

Quoted from Abdul19

I seem to remember we had a 50% sell on on Darren Wrack - it was so big they never bothered selling him!

That’s a blast from the past, was he the walking on broken glass player? I once had a crush on his sister while I went out with her mate, didn’t end well.

Quoted from pen penfras

We got 25% on Bennett, had the same on Bogle but he went for the same amount. How much more do you think other clubs are getting? Because I'll tell you for a fact that NO clubs get a higher sell on fee than that! But no worries, just make more excrement up to sling at the club

flipping hell, do you work for them?

It was a genuine question, the Bennett fiasco nearly cost us money, genuine question ya busy girl private.

Quoted from aldi_01

flipping hell, do you work for them?

It was a genuine question, the Bennett fiasco nearly cost us money, genuine question ya busy girl private.

Think you followed up your question with the comment that town had not been very shrewd in the past and state the Bennett fiasco, why was it a fiasco when I understood we got £750 k from his sell on?

As I said before who have we sold where we have subsequently missed out on a decent sell on fee? Not saying it’s not happened just that I can’t recall when it was and which player it involved. For all JF’s faults I would have thought when it comes to money he ain’t going to miss out more than once.

Literally the only thing Slade got right despite losing the player towards the end of his time here. Dembele probably got sick of seeing the ball sail over his head, and I can't blame him. You have to wonder how a player clearly as good as that ended up without a club at the Nike academy. Would be a fantastic signing for a top division club in my opinion, he's that good.

With Peterborough selling Ivan Toney for up to 10 million pounds, it may push the sale price of Dembele up as even with things the way they are, Peterborough won't be short of money and that can only be good for Town.

Quoted from 28195

That’s a blast from the past, was he the walking on broken glass player? I once had a crush on his sister while I went out with her mate, didn’t end well.

He was brilliant for Walsall for a long time. Hope you spoofed his sister at some point ha.

I remember Wrack leaving us and being decent for Walsall for a while.

Was another player that never seemed too great in a town shirt but carved out a good career.

Quoted from aldi_01

flipping hell, do you work for them?

It was a genuine question, the Bennett fiasco nearly cost us money, genuine question ya busy girl private.

What nearly cost us money? You keep bringing this up, but have no facts other than mentioning it was done wrong. When people point out that the board let them stagger the payments rather than a lump sum to allow the sale to go ahead, you seem oblivious to the fact that this would be a good move.

But you just carry on ranting away like a miserable old fornicator, then call me the girl private  

Quoted from pen penfras

What nearly cost us money? You keep bringing this up, but have no facts other than mentioning it was done wrong. When people point out that the board let them stagger the payments rather than a lump sum to allow the sale to go ahead, you seem oblivious to the fact that this would be a good move.

But you just carry on ranting away like a miserable old fornicator, then call me the girl private  

The 'Town got shafted over Bennett' story is one of those odd myths that just keeps on prevailing no matter how many times it is debunked. I think the confusion stems from the fact that Barry Fry attempted, but failed, to buy out the clause just prior to Bennett's sale to Norwich. I believe there was a successful renegotiation of the terms, but this was only to reflect that Town's sell-on fee would be paid at the same instalment rate at which Norwich were due to pay Peterborough. And that's not unreasonable.

Successful negotiation is rarely about getting things 100% your own way - when you insist on that you tend to come away with nothing. In reality, it's about getting as close to your own best case scenario as possible whilst maintaining a workable deal for all concerned parties.

I think I'm right in saying that in the club's 120 odd year history, only John Oster and Gary Croft have earned the club more money from a player's transfer. I'm not sure where that ranks in real terms, but to contstrue it as a failure on our part is just misguided.

I could write a book on the mismanagement that this club has suffered over the course of the last couple of decades, but the sale of Ryan Bennett should not feature as an example.

I think the only potential 'member up' when it comes to Ryan Bennett needs us to ask that had we kept him, would we have stayed up that season?

It's all ifs and buts and using the beauty of hindsight.  Each season cost us £1million whilst in the Conference.  Personally I think we were circling the plughole for too long and would have gone down at some point simply because we were so badly run, from top to bottom.  Had we stayed up that season, it would have only been a matter of time before we dropped.

I think we also had an agreement in place with Bennett when he signed a new deal that summer.   Around the same time we also did very well out of selling Jack Barlow to Hull for £300k.

Quoted from Poojah

I think I'm right in saying that in the club's 120 odd year history, only John Oster and Gary Croft have earned the club more money from a player's transfer. I'm not sure where that ranks in real terms, but to contstrue it as a failure on our part is just misguided.

In 'real terms', I'd say the Shaun Cunnington transfer to Sunderland (£650,000 in 1992) was worth more.  Even better is the fact that we used that money to permanently sign Clive Mendonca (£80,000 I think) and get some lad from Blackpool for £150,000....can't remember his name but he did ok for us.

We also used some of the money to sign Rhys Wilmott too....2 out of 3 ain't bad!

Steve Bruce was spotted at the Crewe v Peterborough game at the weekend, apparently there to watch Dembele according to some Toon fans. Not sure what he saw though as Peterborough lost for the first time this season.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Around the same time we also did very well out of selling Jack Barlow to Hull for £300k.

£100k.

I think the Jack Barlow cash was an excellent deal under the circumstances and may be, just maybe we’d already seen the potential attitude issues, hence the sale.

Going back to Bennett, I don’t think we’d have stayed up had we kept him and if we did, much like that day at Bournemouth, it would only have delayed the inevitable. As folk have said, we hovered around the relegation zone and everyone could see it coming. There’s countless reasons for this but all share part of the blame.

Dembele has clearly improved year on year since leaving us, and if you put yourself in his shoes at the minute, he must think he’s a million miles away from where it started and fair play to the lad.