Time for this Clown to go

Its the same every week  
We might stumble into the play offs only to be shown up by some part timers ,Give someone a shot at it for the last few games and see what happens.
We really do have nothing to lose by sacking him in the morning

It's not his fault!

It's the lower findus/pontoon/fenty/players/ozzy the tramp fault*


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And just who would you put in charge?

The same part timers who just beat Luton and have now won five away games on the trot? Should all those clubs sack the manager as well?

Quoted from GrimRob

The same part timers who just beat Luton and have now won five away games on the trot? Should all those clubs sack the manager as well?

Ok then Rob in the interests of fairness what about every other home game this year ?

As underwhelming as some of our recent performances have been, sacking a manager with 3 games in the season is flipping STUPID and we should wait until the end of the season to make a decision on Paul Hurst's future.

Anyone who disputes this needs their head checking.

Dont sack him now fgs, but jesus christ that was woeful! flipping woeful. 1 shot on target in each half

Quoted from grimps

Ok then Rob in the interests of fairness what about every other home game this year ?

3 points is 3 points, doesn't matter whether it comes home or away. It's always disappointing to lose a game but we're still fourth and in a strong position to get in the play-offs again.

Everyone has got to get behind PH and put aside any thoughts of getting rid of him with the play-offs looming.

Quoted from Chrisblor

As underwhelming as some of our recent performances have been, sacking a manager with 3 games in the season is flipping STUPID and we should wait until the end of the season to make a decision on Paul Hurst's future.

Anyone who disputes this needs their head checking.

Because he is not going to get us promoted !
Giving someone a chance to see if anyone else can get anything out of this team is probably our only shot .
What we have seen tonight is the same as every other home game this season ,what makes you think he is about to change anything for the play offs ?

Quoted from GrimRob

The same part timers who just beat Luton and have now won five away games on the trot? Should all those clubs sack the manager as well?

Quite. I can understand the frustration, but there does seem to be an inability here to see the wider picture sometimes.

I can't stand the guy and his incredibly negative ways and I can't wait for him to go but not now. Then again why the hell not? At least we'd be going into the playoffs with a have a go attitude!

Quoted from GrimRob

3 points is 3 points, doesn't matter whether it comes home or away. It's always disappointing to lose a game but we're still fourth and in a strong position to get in the play-offs again.

Everyone has got to get behind PH and put aside any thoughts of getting rid of him with the play-offs looming.

But the problem is that we're not playing well and haven't done for months!  If anyone genuinely thinks that this negative manager will get us out of this league they need their head checking.

Quoted from grimps

Because he is not going to get us promoted !
Giving someone a chance to see if anyone else can get anything out of this team is probably our only shot .
What we have seen tonight is the same as every other home game this season ,what makes you think he is about to change anything for the play offs ?

Personally I don't think he is capable of getting us promoted, but he's significantly more likely to get us promoted than a last minute replacement manager.

On hols, just seen the result and completely non-shocked, we've been pretty dire since the cup run and this insistence of playing Kerr and Disley in front of Thanoj who was playing better than both is mind boggling. There's a saying that you get what you deserve and we've got Fenty and Hurst who are both as clueless as each other.

Who do we fancy in the playoffs, any teams in there we have had beaten other than that away game at Cambridge (we have also failed to beat them twice)

Quoted from Quagmire

But the problem is that we're not playing well and haven't done for months!  If anyone genuinely thinks that this negative manager will get us out of this league they need their head checking.

There isn't a column in the league table for playing well, but we've consisently been in the top few in the form table most of the season. We very recently won three away games on the trot without conceding a goal for instance.

I would argue that the play-offs will suit us as they tend to be cagey low-scoring games which nearly every game we play is. Playing in front of our own supporters seems to be a disadvantage and two of the play-off games are away (one of the semis and the final). PH probably has a good a record as any manager in this division in cup games, he's also going to be the only manager to get to the play-offs this season and last season if we do it this year.

Anyone who wants to sack him and have Watkiss as a caretaker at Wembley must be bonkers.

I predict a loss at Alfreton, we get a last minute equaliser against
Hyde, thumped at Braintree. Hurst goes, we advertise for a new manager, no one wants the job and Fenty goes on bended knees and begs Rob Scott to come back.

Ha ha can't wait to beat Halifax in the play off final on pens

Quoted from Chrisblor

Personally I don't think he is capable of getting us promoted, but he's significantly more likely to get us promoted than a last minute replacement manager.

We can all see that he is not going to take us up ,I know a few of the Anoraks that think that blind loyalty will get them a better seat on the bus or a wave off Hurst next time in the Main Stand might not say different but even they know its true.
The only chance we have is making a change now and hoping we get the lucky 3-4 match bounce that a new manager sometimes gets

Quoted from grimps

The only chance we have is making a change now and hoping we get the lucky 3-4 match bounce that a new manager sometimes gets

We just had a lucky 3 match bounce with the current manager! (or do only home games count)

If Hurst goes Watkiss will be manager for the rest of the season. The man who has masterminded the youth team to be bottom of the table with barely a win.

The 3 match bounce had each opposing home team miss a sitter.

Quoted from GrimRob

We just had a lucky 3 match bounce with the current manager! (or do only home games count)

If Hurst goes Watkiss will be manager for the rest of the season. The man who was masterminded the youth team to be bottom of the table with barely a win.

Yeah we was lucky too ,Defend them all you like Rob but he will not be here either way in a couple of weeks .
Everywhere I look tonight Facebook Twitter ect people are saying the same ,, his support is down to the bones

Quoted from Madeleymariner

The 3 match bounce had each opposing home team miss a sitter.

I know but the reason for getting a new manager was "to get the lucky 3-4 match bounce that a new manager sometimes gets". The current incumbent has just done it!!!

It's the amount of changes made week in week out what i can't seem to get a grasp of.

Quoted from grimps

Yeah we was lucky too ,Defend them all you like Rob but he will not be here either way in a couple of weeks .

The only way he won't be here is if you assissinate him (not a suggestion I should add).

The next game is key. I think we have a great chance of beating Alfreton who seem to have gone off the boil. If we do then we guarantee a play off place by beating the whipping boys of Hyde and can give key players a rest at Braintree.

If we lose or draw at Alfreton then beating Hyde leaves us on 76 or 77 points and needing a draw at Braintree to get into the playoffs.  I'm not sure we would make it in those circumstances.  

This is on the basis that Braintree win there next two games. If they don't then we will be ok.

So it is still very much in our hands. We really just need to beat Alfreton.

Quoted from GrimRob

The only way he won't be here is if you assissinate him (not a suggestion I should add).

He will be sacked at the end of this season Rob ,Ill happily put money on it too .
If Fenty wants to try and sell any season tickets this summer he'll struggle with what this clown serves us up every week

Quoted from grimps

He will be sacked at the end of this season Rob ,Ill happily put money on it too .
If Fenty wants to try and sell any season tickets this summer he'll struggle with what this clown serves us up every week

The end of the season is a lot more than 2 weeks away.

League position brings in the crowds far more than "entertainment". Crowds were up 40% last year, they're a bit down this year but still well up on Hurst's predecessors who got nowhere near the play-offs.

Quoted from GrimRob

The end of the season is a lot more than 2 weeks away.

League position brings in the crowds far more than "entertainment". Crowds were up 40% last year, they're a bit down this year but still well up on Hurst's predecessors who got nowhere near the play-offs.

Seasons over already, we aren't good enough to go up. End of.

We all know JF will always back his manager however he's not as stupid as you think and he sees the fans reaction at every home game.   PH did really well but then totally changed his methods (rotating the team for the sake of it) which has had an adverse effect to the momentum the team had.  Then there's the extra signings that haven't really hit the ground running and probably put a few players noses out of joint.  Now the fans are getting restless and the players dont look interested.   Is PH losing the dressing room?  He has struggled to motivate the team for me and we should be going out all guns blazing every home game rather than be the cautious man he has turned out to be.  

What I have difficulty with is,

If Hurst thinks players need a rest because of the amount of games we have played is

Why does he keep playing the two oldest players in every game,?

Quoted from GrimRob

The end of the season is a lot more than 2 weeks away.

League position brings in the crowds far more than "entertainment". Crowds were up 40% last year, they're a bit down this year but still well up on Hurst's predecessors who got nowhere near the play-offs.

Well I'm pleased your happy with all the success and entertainment he has brought us

Quoted from grimps

Its the same every week  
We might stumble into the play offs only to be shown up by some part timers ,Give someone a shot at it for the last few games and see what happens.
We really do have nothing to lose by sacking him in the morning

FFS......and create chaos and disarray at the business end of the season. I know tonight was woeful but that is just a kneejerk reaction.

I don't think we've played well since Huddersfield. God knows what will happen, but let's leave any decisions until the summer.

Quoted from grimsby pete

What I have difficulty with is,

If Hurst thinks players need a rest because of the amount of games we have played is

Why does he keep playing the two oldest players in every game,?

agree Pete they've both been poor recently. Insists on resting players but somehow Disley is undroppable!

Quoted from grimsby pete

What I have difficulty with is,

If Hurst thinks players need a rest because of the amount of games we have played is

Why does he keep playing the two oldest players in every game,?

Absolutely spot on Grimsby Pete - doesn't make sense at all - full stop - said the same a few weeks ago - I'm sure we could have been 15 points better off with the same squad under sensible management

Quoted from grimps

Well I'm pleased your happy with all the success and entertainment he has brought us

If you'd have offered me the league table as it stands now in July I would have bitten your hand off. If we're still in this division next year I will take being fourth and in charge of our own destiny with 3 games to go on 15th April 2015 right now.

He's brought us far more success than anyone else we've had this century. Consistent top 5 finishes and cup success are something some younger fans must never have experienced until PH came. And the fact that gates are up shows the paying public is getting what it wants - a team challenging for prizes at the end of the season.

I can't stand the boring bloke and his team is driving away fans. That was about as boring as it gets tonight. Off our seats once in 90 mins and that chance was created by a defensive lapse. I'm finding it harder and harder to drag myself to BP and most of my mates have stopped going altogether.

We can't replace him at this stage of the season. I said at the time Scott went, that we should have cut our losses and got rid of Hurst too, brought in Mills when he was available and given him the time to build a decent footballing side.

Too late now. We have to see this through and hope to god that we get in the play offs and perform better than of late, but to be honest, i can't see it.

Quoted from GrimRob

He's brought us far more success than anyone else we've had this century.

Not exactly too difficult a feat to achieve considering, but I assume you find the fact that we are more than likely going to STILL be playing non league football next season a 'success' - whatever floats your boat.

Part time teams pay decent wages but have a small squad and a few injuries and it cripples them but do they rotate their team I very much doubt it. I understand resting players due to the number of games in a week is probably fair but its looking like we are the team everyone wants in the pkayoffs.

Quoted from Quagmire

Not exactly too difficult a feat to achieve considering, but I assume you find the fact that we are more than likely going to STILL be playing non league football next season a 'success' - whatever floats your boat.

That would always be the case even if we finished 1 point behind Luton and 15 points ahead of 3rd place. At best a really good team has about a 1 in 3 chance of winning the play-offs, a poor one maybe 1 in 6. So every team who enters the  play-offs is more likely to be unsuccesful then they are successful. The key is to get in them every year then you'll eventually succeed. So far PH has done that, and is on target to do so again.

What sort of contract is ph on - end of season?

Quoted from GrimRob

That would always be the case even if we finished 1 point behind Luton and 15 points ahead of 3rd place. At best a really good team has about a 1 in 3 chance of winning the play-offs, a poor one maybe 1 in 6. So every team who enters the  play-offs is more likely to be unsuccesful then they are successful. The key is to get in them every year then you'll eventually succeed. So far PH has done that, and is on target to do so again.

Rob your in dream land mate

Quoted from ginnywings

his team is driving away fans

On the opening day of the season 4,037 were at BP to see Aldershot The last 2 gates at BP have been 4,174 and  4,374. Our average in the two seasons before, one of which PH arrived at when it was too late to get in the play-offs were 3,072 and 3,141. Hard to see that PH is really driving away fans - people are coming in response to our position near the top of the league I would argue more than any other factor.

Quoted from ginnywings

I can't stand the boring bloke and his team is driving away fans. That was about as boring as it gets tonight. Off our seats once in 90 mins and that chance was created by a defensive lapse. I'm finding it harder and harder to drag myself to BP and most of my mates have stopped going altogether.

We can't replace him at this stage of the season. I said at the time Scott went, that we should have cut our losses and got rid of Hurst too, brought in Mills when he was available and given him the time to build a decent footballing side.

Too late now. We have to see this through and hope to god that we get in the play offs and perform better than of late, but to be honest, i can't see it.

I agree about Mills, said at the time we'd missed an opportunity when he went to Gateshead. Could we prize him away from the Heed in the summer? Depends how ambitious Mr Fenty is.

Quoted from GrimRob

people are coming in response to our position near the top of the league I would argue more than any other factor.

I'd argue it's as much to do with the cheap ticket offers we've had to roll out recently.

Quoted from GrimRob

That would always be the case even if we finished 1 point behind Luton and 15 points ahead of 3rd place. At best a really good team has about a 1 in 3 chance of winning the play-offs, a poor one maybe 1 in 6. So every team who enters the  play-offs is more likely to be unsuccesful then they are successful. The key is to get in them every year then you'll eventually succeed. So far PH has done that, and is on target to do so again.

So in our current state that's about 1 in 20, we are nowhere near good enough, our club is skint and our manager clueless.  We will sell less season tickets next year and be even more indebted to Fenty, if you're happy that that is progress then you mest beon some kind of hallucinatory substance.

Quoted from GrimRob

On the opening day of the season 4,037 were at BP to see Aldershot The last 2 gates at BP have been 4,174 and  4,374. Our average in the two seasons before, one of which PH arrived at when it was too late to get in the play-offs were 3,072 and 3,141. Hard to see that PH is really driving away fans - people are coming in response to our position near the top of the league I would argue more than any other factor.

Good gates but if we were looking more convincing (league tables don't necessarily tell the whole story) we'd be looking at 5k.

The ten changes at dartford might just come back to haunt hurst, because that tonight was dire and we might just miss out on the playoffs

But hurst is so negative it's unreal, even on the radio he comes across as boring, so no wonder there's no urgency in the team apart from the last five mins again.

IMHO I think hurst is now showing how out of his depth he really is now were at the business end of the season, he hasn't got a clue

Halifax wanted it more than us tonight and all hurst can do is stand there with his arms folded.

Baffling to me but what do I know

Quoted from GrimRob

The end of the season is a lot more than 2 weeks away.

League position brings in the crowds far more than "entertainment". Crowds were up 40% last year, they're a bit down this year but still well up on Hurst's predecessors who got nowhere near the play-offs.

Are gates up purely because the club has cottoned on to how to promote the team with endless offers in the paper?  Last year we needed the support to bolster a late challenge, this year we have fared better in a poor league, but the offers seem to have been far more constant than previous years

Quoted from GrimRob

On the opening day of the season 4,037 were at BP to see Aldershot The last 2 gates at BP have been 4,174 and  4,374. Our average in the two seasons before, one of which PH arrived at when it was too late to get in the play-offs were 3,072 and 3,141. Hard to see that PH is really driving away fans - people are coming in response to our position near the top of the league I would argue more than any other factor.

I knew you would highlight that. Fan are turning up more in hope than expectation, because it is the business end of the season and the fans are desperate to see signs that we are capable of going up. Truth is that there would be in excess of 5000 if we looked convincing and put on some decent displays. We are dreadful at home and could be doing so much better on and off the pitch,

I admire your optimism Rob, but i know lots of fans who stopped going a while back, citing the awful football and atmosphere as the main reason.

I don't think now is the time to sack PH

Having said that I'm well and truly fed up after tonight. Absolutely clueless from start to finish, constant hoofball and no fight in the performance at all. Unfortunately performances haven't been up to scratch since our purple patch around november december time and barring Huddersfield I would ask someone to give me one game since then where we have walked away happy with the performance. A few decent results have papered over cracks that have appeared since January and Paul Hurst hasn't had the guts not tactical nouse to turn thing around in our favour.

Constant negative tactics and barely any goals scored. I think we all know deep down that we are very unlikely to get promoted and if we do then dear me, what kind of mess are we in going into League 2. I've bit my tongue for long enough as I've not wanted to come across as negative but there comes a point when it's no longer negative just realistic.

The atmosphere at the home games this season has been flat putting it mildly and we can only look at the negative tactics and lack of football for the reason. And yet again PH comes onto Humberside after that dreadful performance and gives another one of his usual interviews.. not much in the game/unlucky...

Not been this fed up in a long time

Quoted from ginnywings

I knew you would highlight that. Fan are turning up more in hope than expectation, because it is the business end of the season and the fans are desperate to see signs that we are capable of going up. Truth is that there would be in excess of 5000 if we looked convincing and put on some decent displays. We are dreadful at home and could be doing so much better on and off the pitch,

I admire your optimism Rob, but i know lots of fans who stopped going a while back, citing the awful football and atmosphere as the main reason.

I agree. I'm finding it very hard to consider going again this season ( only one home match I know) play offs included if we make it. It is boring to watch. The only games I have actually enjoyed at BP are the fa cup games. If that level of performance we witnessed in those 3 games were replicated we would be looking at bigger gates for sure.

Quoted from Mariners_15

I don't think now is the time to sack PH

Having said that I'm well and truly fed up after tonight. Absolutely clueless from start to finish, constant hoofball and no fight in the performance at all. Unfortunately performances haven't been up to scratch since our purple patch around november december time and barring Huddersfield I would ask someone to give me one game since then where we have walked away happy with the performance. A few decent results have papered over cracks that have appeared since January and Paul Hurst hasn't had the guts not tactical nouse to turn thing around in our favour.

Constant negative tactics and barely any goals scored. I think we all know deep down that we are very unlikely to get promoted and if we do then dear me, what kind of mess are we in going into League 2. I've bit my tongue for long enough as I've not wanted to come across as negative but there comes a point when it's no longer negative just realistic.

The atmosphere at the home games this season has been flat putting it mildly and we can only look at the negative tactics and lack of football for the reason. And yet again PH comes onto Humberside after that dreadful performance and gives another one of his usual interviews.. not much in the game/unlucky...

Not been this fed up in a long time

Loads of us on here like that mate, but have spoken out for months now, but get shot down all the time.

Like you say it's not negative just realistic

Quoted from Mariners_15

I don't think now is the time to sack PH

Having said that I'm well and truly fed up after tonight. Absolutely clueless from start to finish, constant hoofball and no fight in the performance at all. Unfortunately performances haven't been up to scratch since our purple patch around november december time and barring Huddersfield I would ask someone to give me one game since then where we have walked away happy with the performance. A few decent results have papered over cracks that have appeared since January and Paul Hurst hasn't had the guts not tactical nouse to turn thing around in our favour.

Constant negative tactics and barely any goals scored. I think we all know deep down that we are very unlikely to get promoted and if we do then dear me, what kind of mess are we in going into League 2. I've bit my tongue for long enough as I've not wanted to come across as negative but there comes a point when it's no longer negative just realistic.

The atmosphere at the home games this season has been flat putting it mildly and we can only look at the negative tactics and lack of football for the reason. And yet again PH comes onto Humberside after that dreadful performance and gives another one of his usual interviews.. not much in the game/unlucky...

Not been this fed up in a long time

And that's about how I see it , we were inferior in every aspect of the game tonight , with desire been one of the main problems along with our tactics ( what is our game plan anybody ?) I live in hope , but not much belief.

UTM

Quoted from Perkins

I predict a loss at Alfreton, we get a last minute equaliser against
Hyde, thumped at Braintree. Hurst goes, we advertise for a new manager, no one wants the job and Fenty goes on bended knees and begs Rob Scott to come back.

I predict we will win the next three games ,,Alfreton 1  Town 3        -  Town 3  Hyde 0    -    Braintree 1   Town 2.

Quoted from Grimal

I predict we will win the next three games ,,Alfreton 1  Town 3        -  Town 3  Hyde 0    -    Braintree 1   Town 2.

I'll have some of what you are on.

Not the time to sack the manager.
Maybe he is playing the long game and this rotation will give us a fresh and strong squad for the play offs.
Why would we show one of our potential opponents all we have in our locker tonight?

UTM

Quoted from Doubled

Not the time to sack the manager.
Maybe he is playing the long game and this rotation will give us a fresh and strong squad for the play offs.
Why would we show one of our potential opponents all we have in our locker tonight?

UTM

Comedian

Quoted from highcliff mariner

And that's about how I see it , we were inferior in every aspect of the game tonight , with desire been one of the main problems along with our tactics ( what is our game plan anybody ?) I live in hope , but not much belief.

UTM

Well we certainly weren't inferior for the first half. The effort was there as usual. The tactic after they'd scored was to hoof it up as quickly as possible-making sure we found their centre half..

I know - this is what I hope he's thinking but I just wonder when he will eventually rotate the central midfield (apart from red cards forcing the issue)

UTM

Quoted from barralad

Well we certainly weren't inferior for the first half. The effort was there as usual. The tactic after they'd scored was to hoof it up as quickly as possible-making sure we found their centre half..

Well you saw a different game to me  and the majority of those round me  ,( upper Osmond end) I thought we looked like a team with an already beaten " .

mentality, the only time they got me out my seat in the first half was the tonks 1v1

But it may be as good a first half we've seen for a while cos none have been exactly inspiring

Quoted from highcliff mariner

Well you saw a different game to me  and the majority of those round me  ,( upper Osmond end) I thought we looked like a team with an already beaten " .

mentality, the only time they got me out my seat in the first half was the tonks 1v1

But it may be as good a first half we've seen for a while cos none have been exactly inspiring

Different game to me too. I was also at the Osmond end of the Upper and also only out of my seat once in 90 mins. We were dreadful from start to finish i thought and Cook was particularly poor. His first touch is horrendous and the ball just didn't stick all night.

For me only decent players were our two centre halves who coped admirably with their backing in and no support from the ref. as for the rest of it i accept Halifax created very little but they looked sharper, picked up every loose ball, won every physical challenge and every header that counted. We have no structure to our attacking play, no pace and a midfield incapable of creativity.

Like all town fans I hope we go up but The season is over for me after yet another dire home performance with absolutely no entertainment value all night. If PH stays I know three season ticket holders who will not renew and everyone around us in the Upper Findus wants him gone. And no we did not boo or slag off the team although I am sure we all groaned at our inability to trap a ball or pass it five yards.

Hurst demonstrates that he learns nothing from game to game and to persist for the majority of the game with Kerr and Disley is managerial suicide.

I agree we have been very frustrating and disappointing recently although to play devil's advocate, negative teams aren't unsuccessful in knockout situations (such as the play offs). Mourinho's made a career out of it, Newport didn't exactly play beautiful, flowing football last season. Add to that the fact we've done quite well in the cup competitions this year - if we do make it to the play offs hope is not lost yet! Over a season it certainly can be dull, but it tight affairs such as the play offs, parking the bus may be what we need to do.

Quoted from GrimRob

If you'd have offered me the league table as it stands now in July I would have bitten your hand off. If we're still in this division next year I will take being fourth and in charge of our own destiny with 3 games to go on 15th April 2015 right now.

He's brought us far more success than anyone else we've had this century. Consistent top 5 finishes and cup success are something some younger fans must never have experienced until PH came. And the fact that gates are up shows the paying public is getting what it wants - a team challenging for prizes at the end of the season.

Success - It seems to me that the demise of our club revolves around this word. To you, a lot of others on here and to the most senior people at the club success means almost getting there is good enough.
Success to myself and most Town fans is to actually get promotion or win a trophy.

"more success than anyone else we've had this century"-We are still in the same league we havent been premoted so where is the success?
"cup success" - yes we have had one or two good games but we have not won a Trophy so where is the success?
"a team challenging for prizes at the end of the season" - That worked well last year. Where is the success in this?
"gates are up" - stop quoting % and give actual numbers of bums on seats. In the 2005/6 we were never out of a playoff position and only put on around 200 more fans than the previous season. My guess is that if we had played attractive football instead of the boring sh1t that was on offer at the time there would have been a much bigger increase. The very same can be said of this season.
If your definition of success is what we have now and have had for the past few years then good on you but its not mine.

  

Quoted from grimps

Its the same every week  
We might stumble into the play offs only to be shown up by some part timers ,Give someone a shot at it for the last few games and see what happens.
We really do have nothing to lose by sacking him in the morning

Sorry mate its to late now. He should have gone in January.
Never mind he will be gone in the next few weeks. Fenty can then put his vast footballing brain into finding the next failure.

In Paul Hursts mind, fans turn up to see the scoreboard at the end of the game. He doesn't give a damn about entertainment so long as we grind out wins and play his way.

The problem is, his methods are not going to win you play-offs because he's got one way of playing. He's got absolutely no plan B and better sides pick us apart EVERY single time. We are so one dimensional it's untrue and I've never seen a team rotated so often and actually achieve success. Then every now and then he'll have the nerve to have a pop at fans, the fans who buy into this excrement football he produces in the hope that one day we might actually go up. I think none of us care if we went up playing badly, the fact is we don't have it in our locker to do it against the best sides. This means we get the excrement football without the success at the end of it and that is why he'll lose his job in about a months time.

Quoted from davmariner

I agree about Mills, said at the time we'd missed an opportunity when he went to Gateshead. Could we prize him away from the Heed in the summer? Depends how ambitious Mr Fenty is.

Gateshead had ONE effort on goal last night, not on target, but one effort!

Be very careful what you wish for.  The next man will be "clueless", " tactical moron" or "Fentys love child" within 3 months, guaranteed!

Quoted from BIGChris

Gateshead had ONE effort on goal last night, not on target, but one effort!

Be very careful what you wish for.  The next man will be "clueless", " tactical moron" or "Fentys love child" within 3 months, guaranteed!

Spot on there Chris. Fenty does have the knack of employing
Clueless tactical morons.

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I agree. I'm finding it very hard to consider going again this season ( only one home match I know) play offs included if we make it. It is boring to watch. The only games I have actually enjoyed at BP are the fa cup games. If that level of performance we witnessed in those 3 games were replicated we would be looking at bigger gates for sure.

but if we were midtable playing Barcelona-esque total football there'd probably be 2000 going. If we were top of the league playing total football we'd get 5000 but we'd be very lucky to get a manager and squad capable of that with out budget. As long as we're in the top 5 it probably adds 500-1000 to the gate regardless of the quality of "entertainment". (And I am yet to go to a game where the crowd left happy without getting 3 points or a creditable draw - it's football not 20/20 cricket!).

Ask Wrexham, Forest Green and Barnet if they'd rather be in our position, or theirs. They've all got big budgets (bigger than ours in some cases) and we're going to finish ahead of all of them.

Steve Burr becomes available at the end of the season. If we get him and are not successful will it be another of Feny's clueless appointments?

Quoted from TAGG

Clueless tactical morons.

Your definition of a clueless tactical moron is someone who doesn't win the league or play-offs, so there are 22 of them in this division (in which one club is vastly bigger than all the others and very likely to win the league).

If you were to draw a shortlist of six managers in this division for the manager of the season award PH would probably be one of them - at the moment.

Your right Chris , however it's getting to the point now is it worth me paying out nearly £40 for the two of us not to be entertained . Just another frustrating match  when deep down we knew what we were going to see . One more home game against Hyde who have nothing but pride to play for , will we turn up and put a performance worthy of Grimsby ?   Sorry but rapidly loosing interest .

Just to be fair, Paul did not rotate the team last night. LJL, Jennings, Rodman were not available to him. Also Cook did well on Sat when he came on and scored the winner. Tonk had scored 2 in 3 .Thomas was fit and available to regain his place. It did not work because we lost, but he had little choice with the players available.

Quoted from GrimRob

but if we were midtable playing Barcelona-esque total football there'd probably be 2000 going. If we were top of the league playing total football we'd get 5000 but we'd be very lucky to get a manager and squad capable of that with out budget. As long as we're in the top 5 it probably adds 500-1000 to the gate regardless of the quality of "entertainment". (And I am yet to go to a game where the crowd left happy without getting 3 points or a creditable draw - it's football not 20/20 cricket!).

Ask Wrexham, Forest Green and Barnet if they'd rather be in our position, or theirs. They've all got big budgets (bigger than ours in some cases) and we're going to finish ahead of all of them.

Of course those teams would swap places , but that doesn't disguise the fact that IMO we just arnt good enough , just a little better than those said teams , manure are in a better position than west brom but the mancs won't be taking much comfort from the fact ?

Quoted from GrimRob

Your definition of a clueless tactical moron is someone who doesn't win the league or play-offs, so there are 22 of them in this division (in which one club is vastly bigger than all the others and very likely to win the league).

If you were to draw a shortlist of six managers in this division for the manager of the season award PH would probably be one of them - at the moment.

This just about sums up your acceptance of dross.
So what if he was on a 'shortlist' (see wot you did there Ha Ha) he still wouldn't win.

I think looking at how much money he has had compared to many of the other teams in this league ,he has been well backed and I suspect there is only Luton with a bigger wage bill than us.
The other thing is he dosnt seem to learn anything ,we have all seen this coming since January and he has not been able to to counter the crap home form and poor play of his team.He's lost the fans now Rob so I expect he is walking on a very thin line ,anything but promotion and he will be gone

I know I'm in disagreement with my life-long GTFC supporting friend but I feel that Hurst has somehow managed to coast since the sacking of Rob Scott. I don't think PH has been able to deliver quite what the pair of them managed to deliver, for whatever reason.

That said I don't think now is the time to dump Hurst - we need to see out the end of the season and make decisions then. For whatever reason he just doesn't seem to be motivating and inspiring the team, and we just seem to be putting in these lacklustre performances game after game.

That said, I agree with points made my GrimRob earlier that how we perceive our form, vs our stats and position in the table are definitely at odds and that perhaps we do need to lighten up a little. But similarly I do share the concerns that I just don't think we're good enough to go up - and that we just don't seem to want it enough.

Quoted from grimps

I think looking at how much money he has had compared to many of the other teams in this league ,he has been well backed and I suspect there is only Luton with a bigger wage bill than us.
The other thing is he dosnt seem to learn anything ,we have all seen this coming since January and he has not been able to to counter the crap home form and poor play of his team.He's lost the fans now Rob so I expect he is wanking on a very thin line ,anything but promotion and he will be gone

Exactly my point, he appears to have learned nothing and as I said at the weekend he is well suited to managing sides away from home and I expect we may well win on Friday. Of course I want us to succeed but many fans last night were commenting that they dread getting in the play offs as he might stay. I will always want us to succeed but the thought of watching that type of football for90 per cent of home games would mean no season ticket for me and occasional visits to BP next season.

He is certainly dividing opinion on here!

Get him out. What a clueless little turd. Shocking performance AGAIN.

We've said since earlier in season he  just hasn't got a clue tactic wise.

The fact he's continued on his own still without bringing in an assistant or coach is just laughable.

Quoted from Mariner21

Get him out. What a clueless little turd. Shocking performance AGAIN.

We've said since earlier in season he  just hasn't got a clue tactic wise.

The fact he's continued on his own still without bringing in an assistant or coach is just laughable.

Until this post I was enjoying this thread, good debate but without personal insults.

Why do you feel that a personal insult will somehow get your point across better?

Wow little turd in hurt my feelings shocker!!!!!

Quoted from Mariner21

Get him out. What a clueless little turd.

FFS

Too depressed to come on The Fishy last night, expected backlash but seriously! Hurst to go NOW!!!

I am certainly in the camp of concerned fans, I think our form has been average to poor for a while, and I think it is highly likely we will be in this intercoursing league again next season.  If that happens then I definately think we should review Hurst's position. Disucss how similar is this to last season, is 3rd round of the FA cup an improvement of note that gives us any confidence in him going forward, are we committed to him as the worst thing we could do would give him half a season next term then sack him.  However those discussion have to take place AT THE END OF THE SEASON.  Excuse my capslock shouting but seriously a new manager (who I might add?) comes in and has a minimum of 3 games and a maximum of 6 games to turn around our fortunes?

Lets examine this new manager bounce people talk about? Looking at all manager changes round January league results (was looking at this before so had them noted down):

Northampton: 6 before Aidy Boothroyd P6, W1, D2, L3  After P6, W0,D2,L4

Torquay: 6 before Alan Knil Sacked: P6, W2, D1, L3 After P6, W2, D1, L3

Kidderminster: 6 Before Stever Butt: P6 W2, D0, L4 After P6, W1, D2 L3

Blackpool: 6 before Paul Ince Sacked P6: W0, D1, L5,  After, P6, W0, D3, L3

Chester 6 before Neil Young P6, W0 D4, L2 After P6, W3, D0, L3

Barner 6 before Davids: P6, W2, D0, L4  After P6 W4, D0, L2

The only one that seemed to have a real positive impact is Chester and they hired Steve Burr who I think is a top manager for this level. On the whole it does absolutely nothing and certainly over potentially 3 but hopefully 6 will not provide anywhere near enough of a bounce to get us into League 2! Our best hope is with Paul Hurst, even if we think that is little hope it is better than expecting someone to come in with Hursts set of players and expect them to do something that will make them suddenly a lot better.  So please can we stop all these pointless "I told you Hurst was useless" tosh and stop calling for him to go.  Until the end of the season he is our best bet, come the end of the season then we can look at our options but until then if we want the mariners to be in the football league next season the best we can do is have a little moan on here about excrement performances but be incredibly vocal at matches to try and galvanise this team into somehting many feel is beyond them but we all hope isn't!

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If we win 6 games we go up (or less depending on others around us).

Having witnessed last night it's a bigger if than before - but it is in Hurst's hands, nonetheless.

So he is more than likely to stay.

But will all the 'Hurst Out' gang carry on calling for his head if he gets us promoted? Just asking.

Or will you immediately start trotting out "Hurst'll never get us out of League 2", "we're coming straight back down."

I find this thought even more depressing than anything that goes on the pitch.

Quoted from grimps

I think looking at how much money he has had compared to many of the other teams in this league ,he has been well backed and I suspect there is only Luton with a bigger wage bill than us.
The other thing is he dosnt seem to learn anything ,we have all seen this coming since January and he has not been able to to counter the crap home form and poor play of his team.He's lost the fans now Rob so I expect he is walking on a very thin line ,anything but promotion and he will be gone

Forest Green?

Quoted from Caesar

Too depressed to come on The Fishy last night, expected backlash but seriously! Hurst to go NOW!!!

I am certainly in the camp of concerned fans, I think our form has been average to poor for a while, and I think it is highly likely we will be in this intercoursing league again next season.  If that happens then I definately think we should review Hurst's position. Disucss how similar is this to last season, is 3rd round of the FA cup an improvement of note that gives us any confidence in him going forward, are we committed to him as the worst thing we could do would give him half a season next term then sack him.  However those discussion have to take place AT THE END OF THE SEASON.  Excuse my capslock shouting but seriously a new manager (who I might add?) comes in and has a minimum of 3 games and a maximum of 6 games to turn around our fortunes?

Lets examine this new manager bounce people talk about? Looking at all manager changes round January league results (was looking at this before so had them noted down):

Northampton: 6 before Aidy Boothroyd P6, W1, D2, L3  After P6, W0,D2,L4

Torquay: 6 before Alan Knil Sacked: P6, W2, D1, L3 After P6, W2, D1, L3

Kidderminster: 6 Before Stever Butt: P6 W2, D0, L4 After P6, W1, D2 L3

Blackpool: 6 before Paul Ince Sacked P6: W0, D1, L5,  After, P6, W0, D3, L3

Chester 6 before Neil Young P6, W0 D4, L2 After P6, W3, D0, L3

Barner 6 before Davids: P6, W2, D0, L4  After P6 W4, D0, L2

The only one that seemed to have a real positive impact is Chester and they hired Steve Burr who I think is a top manager for this level. On the whole it does absolutely nothing and certainly over potentially 3 but hopefully 6 will not provide anywhere near enough of a bounce to get us into League 2! Our best hope is with Paul Hurst, even if we think that is little hope it is better than expecting someone to come in with Hursts set of players and expect them to do something that will make them suddenly a lot better.  So please can we stop all these pointless "I told you Hurst was useless" tosh and stop calling for him to go.  Until the end of the season he is our best bet, come the end of the season then we can look at our options but until then if we want the mariners to be in the football league next season the best we can do is have a little moan on here about excrement performances but be incredibly vocal at matches to try and galvanise this team into somehting many feel is beyond them but we all hope isn't!

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Nothing to review in my opinion, if we don't go up he goes.

Quoted from arryarryarry

Nothing to review in my opinion, if we don't go up he goes.

I think most town fans would have been happy for him to stay another season if we had given Luton a run for their money and lost in a unlucky play off game playing attractive football.
The problem is how we lost last night is exactly how we will lose in the Play offs and everyone knows its coming  

Quoted from arryarryarry

Nothing to review in my opinion, if we don't go up he goes.

Completely agree, no promotion (which I think is highly likely) and Hurst should be gone. He's had 3 full seasons now, albeit 2 and a bit of them was with his mate Rob, but despite having one of the biggest budgets in the whole division excluding Luton and another team each season there seems to be no progression in the football. Same old...

As someone pointed out above Steve Burr is likely to be available in the summer and he would be my preferred candidate along with Mills. However I won't start thinking about all that until the seasons over...