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Ok after an initial post and 23 responses, we seem to have
1. Fenty is still owed £1.5 mill 2. If he had charged 4.5% interest he would have earned £670k or so which he has waived. 3. The overall debt which peaked at well over £2 million has been paid off in part.
Cutting to the chase if the consortium agree to pay the £1.5 million what’s the gripe from fenty? The fans and consortium are apparently ok to ignore all the money Fenty has wasted over the years and the £200,000 of free shares he seems to have magically acquired from Mike Parker.so long as it gets rid of him.
John and Fillipe, just sign the takeover papers and stop whinging.
Depends Do you want John to sign off on this if the consortium are going to expect regular monthly repayments with 5% interest?
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Knut Anders Fosters Voles |
December 28, 2020, 1:37pm |
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You tell me ?
*cough* Employee Benefit Trust *cough*
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December 28, 2020, 1:37pm |
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Oh my word that is hysterical
Do you know you are talking about a man with a high net worth in excess of £50 million
And you are suggesting he is motivated by free tickets and car parking spaces 😂😂😂
Do you know how funny that sounds 😂😂😂
So if he has a net worth of over £50m* why did he need to wheedle £200k worth of shares from the Trust? Why doesn’t he just give them back now? If he is supposedly above taking benefits like free tickets and parking. If he gave the shares back, that’d save the consortium £200k which they can put aside for underwriting an overdraft. If you, sorry, he was acting in the best interest of the club, and wanted to go he would do that. * by the way what’s your source for his net worth?
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KingstonMariner |
December 28, 2020, 1:39pm |
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Clearly this Buenas Noche character is just part of the PR campaign by Fenty for when he pulls out of the deal. He’s waving that ‘no proof of funds’ thing again and probably building up got a claim got interest payments too.
I’m happy to have egg on my face about this, but I reckon Fenty will pull out of the sale.
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Marinerz93 |
December 28, 2020, 1:41pm |
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To answer question 2, assuming a consistent loan of £1.5m, at a consistent 4.5% interest cost (noting base has moved between 0.1 and 0.75% over the last decade), the cost over a 10 year period would be £675,000.
To then answer question 1, there will have been some years that our accounts show this could have been serviced, and some where it couldn’t. As has been posted many times, c £800k has been repaid in recent years which shows that over time they interest could have been serviced. However, at commercial lending rates, less of the capital sum would have been paid down.
How the debt has built and whether it was right have been done to death, but the interest savings from the benign loans vs those incurred commercially would not be insignificant.
Thank you for sharing that and although interesting, It didn't start at 1.5 million it has built up to that over 20 years, please do the calculations based on yearly accounts of how much had been added in each year, £200k will more than cover that and interest rates can be done a lot cheaper than 4.5 if you shopped around.
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December 28, 2020, 1:42pm |
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All this talk about it being “our club” is tragic - for at least two of the three involved in the consortium it’s THEIR club too. They just have the means & willingness to clear out the dead wood & run it in a way they see fit.
What is their motivation? Maybe just wanting to see the back of Fenty & his gang of failures who have proven, without question, that they are SHIITT. They’re not up to the job & Fenty has said plenty of times how much he wants out. I imagine if most on here won the euromillions then Fenty would be sent packing too.
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Knut Anders Fosters Voles |
December 28, 2020, 1:44pm |
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They can be written-off though can’t they, Philip / Stephen?
If the loan to the company is written-off the company will have a non-trading loan relationship credit equal to the amount written off.
JSF will crystalise a capital loss equal to the amount of the loan written off. This will be available to set off against capital gains arising in the year of write-off or in subsequent years.
You don’t seem to have responded to this one Philip / Stephen? You are probably out of touch with NTLR rules and Weaver Root is probably shut today...
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December 28, 2020, 1:45pm |
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All this talk about it being “our club” is tragic - for at least two of the three involved in the consortium it’s THEIR club too. They just have the means & willingness to clear out the dead wood & run it in a way they see fit.
What is their motivation? Maybe just wanting to see the back of Fenty & his gang of failures who have proven, without question, that they are SHIITT. They’re not up to the job & Fenty has said plenty of times how much he wants out. I imagine if most on here won the euromillions then Fenty would be sent packing too.
This and well said Ska.
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So if he has a net worth of over £50m* why did he need to wheedle £200k worth of shares from the Trust? Why doesn’t he just give them back now? If he is supposedly above taking benefits like free tickets and parking.
If he gave the shares back, that’d save the consortium £200k which they can put aside for underwriting an overdraft. If you, sorry, he was acting in the best interest of the club, and wanted to go he would do that.
* by the way what’s your source for his net worth?
Question for anyone that is a member of the Mariners Trust committee If John Fenty gave you £200,000 worth of shares, how would you finance your HMRC tax bill for receiving a gift of shares and a capital gain? Bucket collection? Would you accept the return of those shares? Or because you cannot afford to pay the tax on the gift of those shares, would you refuse them? Did John Fenty actually help the Mariners Trust out in accepting those shares before the Mariners Trust became liable for the tax on the gift from Mike Parker ?
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Knut Anders Fosters Voles |
December 28, 2020, 1:49pm |
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Question for anyone that is a member of the Mariners Trust committee
If John Fenty gave you £200,000 worth of shares, how would you finance your HMRC tax bill for receiving a gift of shares and a capital gain? Bucket collection?
If Fenty was a reasonable man he would divorce his wife, marry Dave Roberts and the ‘gift’ would be a spousal transfer
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