Fail to beat Gateshead

Quoted from Civvy at last

I'm one of those crosses Barra. Not hiding it. As far as I am aware it signifies that I don't agree with that particular post. Which I don't. Nothing more than that. I am not in the Hust out camp. But If I feel he should go, I won't be swayed by the 'there's no-one else out there' arguement. Him and Shouty were a gamble and relatively unknown.  Let's all hope it doesn't come to it. But fear factor is no reason to keep someone not up to the job.

Good post, and a tick from me  

Quoted from Civvy at last

I'm one of those crosses Barra. Not hiding it. As far as I am aware it signifies that I don't agree with that particular post. Which I don't. Nothing more than that. I am not in the Hust out camp. But If I feel he should go, I won't be swayed by the 'there's no-one else out there' arguement. Him and Shouty were a gamble and relatively unknown.  Let's all hope it doesn't come to it. But fear factor is no reason to keep someone not up to the job.

Quality post and great point.

Quoted from Civvy at last

I'm one of those crosses Barra. Not hiding it. As far as I am aware it signifies that I don't agree with that particular post. Which I don't. Nothing more than that. I am not in the Hust out camp. But If I feel he should go, I won't be swayed by the 'there's no-one else out there' arguement. Him and Shouty were a gamble and relatively unknown.  Let's all hope it doesn't come to it. But fear factor is no reason to keep someone not up to the job.

Totally agree, though i didn't give a cross.  

There will come a point where Hurst either gets us promoted or we try someone else. It's inevitable, though we are not at that point yet.

Quoted from barralad

Quite how that post has attracted five red crosses is beyond me. We have several players who chose to stay here despite interest elsewhere this season. There is clear respect throughout the club for the levels of knowledge about players and the game itself that Hurst possesses

I think that quite a few fans see him as a little bit arrogant - I don't mind that about him really. I think he thinks he still has it all under control with 32 games to go. I think he probably has. His inability to recognise when he might have got something wrong doesn't rub me up the wrong way (the same reason I like Wenger) (oh dear wait for all the posts saying I said PH was as good as Wenger) I like the fact that he has confidence and believes he knows best - he's understated but he's the boss. I bet if you asked the players who they'd want in charge he would get a huge vote of confidence.

I am out on the far wing of the Hurst in faction. Look at the table - it's not great but no team has lost fewer games than us and we're a side that we all know can beat anyone - are they firing on all cylinders - no. Does PH seem to play it too safe sometimes - yes. Is this rhetorical questioning style annoying - probably.

but I am still keeping the faith and believe we will get promoted this year. If we don't then I guess he has to go - even I'll agree with that.

Quoted from big al

I think that quite a few fans see him as a little bit arrogant - I don't mind that about him really. I think he thinks he still has it all under control with 32 games to go. I think he probably has. His inability to recognise when he might have got something wrong doesn't rub me up the wrong way (the same reason I like Wenger) (oh dear wait for all the posts saying I said PH was as good as Wenger) I like the fact that he has confidence and believes he knows best - he's understated but he's the boss. I bet if you asked the players who they'd want in charge he would get a huge vote of confidence.

I am out on the far wing of the Hurst in faction. Look at the table - it's not great but no team has lost fewer games than us and we're a side that we all know can beat anyone - are they firing on all cylinders - no. Does PH seem to play it too safe sometimes - yes. Is this rhetorical questioning style annoying - probably.

but I am still keeping the faith and believe we will get promoted this year. If we don't then I guess he has to go - even I'll agree with that.

And whilst I'm a Hurst out if this negative team selection/playing for draws/dropping leading scorers/over-respecting the opposition continues, I have total respect for the points you've made. However 5 wins at this stage of the season is not good enough for a team with our aspirations that were fired up by the fund-raising, the Wembley injustice and pre-season.

I think the problem is a mindset - PH doesn't like not keeping clean sheets - as he was a defender, I can understand his mentality. However, the frustration lies with the attacking options he chooses not to use, the substitutions he seems to delay and the regular slow starts we seem to make to each 45 minutes.

Am I saying I want him gone, probably not. I thought that Wembley and the lead up to it bought him another go at it but there has to come a time when someone decides that he's had enough chances if he is not ultimately successful. As Barra has said earlier if the opposition scores 2, I'll be happy if we score 3 - and I believe that this group of players is capable of playing that way.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

And whilst I'm a Hurst out if this negative team selection/playing for draws/dropping leading scorers/over-respecting the opposition continues, I have total respect for the points you've made. However 5 wins at this stage of the season is not good enough for a team with our aspirations that were fired up by the fund-raising, the Wembley injustice and pre-season.

I think the problem is a mindset - PH doesn't like not keeping clean sheets - as he was a defender, I can understand his mentality. However, the frustration lies with the attacking options he chooses not to use, the substitutions he seems to delay and the regular slow starts we seem to make to each 45 minutes.

Am I saying I want him gone, probably not. I thought that Wembley and the lead up to it bought him another go at it but there has to come a time when someone decides that he's had enough chances if he is not ultimately successful. As Barra has said earlier if the opposition scores 2, I'll be happy if we score 3 - and I believe that this group of players is capable of playing that way.

It's good to see this kind of debate on the fishy - I agree with an awful lot of your post. He is too safe - at Chester he brought on JPP 10/15 minutes too late - if he'd been on earlier we would have won that game. Think we all want the same thing. Can't say I understand him not playing our strikers either - like Bogle but think Amond is an even more potent and constant threat who can really get under a defences skin.

Think PH just needs to let go a bit more and hand it over to the players.

Quoted from easypeersy

Soon we will all be arguing about whether or not we should be playing in the FA Trophy.
Stop this bickering!
Go to the matches and support the Mighty Mariners!
Don't moan when things go wrong!
Watch us climb the table.

Simple!

Bickering and negativity feeds back to the club, the players, the management.
It is bad in so many ways!

The majority of fans do go to games, 5000 home fans on Saturday is tremendous!  What will help us climb the table is wins, what will stop the bickering is wins.  When things go wrong, we have absolutely every right to moan.  The fans built up so much positivity in the summer, when it could have been all gloom, PH and Fenty are the only ones who bring the negativity, not us fans!

Quoted from Civvy at last

I'm one of those crosses Barra. Not hiding it. As far as I am aware it signifies that I don't agree with that particular post. Which I don't. Nothing more than that. I am not in the Hust out camp. But If I feel he should go, I won't be swayed by the 'there's no-one else out there' arguement. Him and Shouty were a gamble and relatively unknown.  Let's all hope it doesn't come to it. But fear factor is no reason to keep someone not up to the job.

Fair play However I would point out that that argument only formed part of the post. For me that is subjective at the very least. We don't know what is out there because we aren't looking. The bit I was thinking about (as I thought I'd expressed in my reply) was the knowledge the guy has of the game and the respect he has of the professionals working under him. For both of those there is compelling evidence. Perhaps he should have written two posts.

What the hell sort of message does "We don't know what is out there because we aren't looking." send to Hurst and the players?
Whilst he is in charge at least give him and the team your support.

The players obviously respect the manager who I would argue are a much tighter unit than we have seen for years.

This probably is the last season he will get to take us up but a bit of support would be nice.

We are in a good position just 7 points adrift at this stage going into winter is GOOD in my opinion.

Stands by for a massive reaction if we don't win tonight.

Quoted from Grim74

We lose tomorrow the axe must fall, Hurst is the conference equivalent to Rogers he talks a good game and comes across as if he knows what he's doing but without success, time for a new manager with fresh ideas drawing closer.

An opinion but nonsense none the less. As for comparing with Rodgers, there none.