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It is now time for John Fenty to put his money where his mouth is and deliver these signings that are going to make the fans hairs on their necks stand up! He should never have said this, as it has just fueled disappointment since and taken the excitement felt from 3 decent signings before. We need to stop messing with the likes of trialists Ironside and Clay, who from what we hear are not going to improve the squad, we need to show are intentions from the off this year and if Fenty can't deliver what he promised, he should just shut his mouth!
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Whats makes you think Fenty is preventing any signings ?
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It is now time for John Fenty to put his money where his mouth is and deliver these signings that are going to make the fans hairs on their necks stand up! He should never have said this, as it has just fueled disappointment since and taken the excitement felt from 3 decent signings before. We need to stop messing with the likes of trialists Ironside and Clay, who from what we hear are not going to improve the squad, we need to show are intentions from the off this year and if Fenty can't deliver what he promised, he should just shut his mouth!
Forget the trialists for now and look at the actual signings made, all good and an improvement on last season IMO all we need now is one or two decent strikers and a settled system, as for JF statements he`s just a fan like us and is entitled to get carried away with it all occasionally, did you put your money where your mouth is last night and attend UTM |
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Forget the trialists for now and look at the actual signings made, all good and an improvement on last season IMO all we need now is one or two decent strikers and a settled system, as for JF statements he`s just a fan like us and is entitled to get carried away with it all occasionally, did you put your money where your mouth is last night and attend UTM
But where are one or two decent strikers coming from Garth..? This is what the op is on about. IMO I'm not bothered about what fenty said or didn't say, but we won't get out of this league with the forwards we've got at present. |
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It is now time for John Fenty to put his money where his mouth is and deliver these signings that are going to make the fans hairs on their necks stand up! He should never have said this, as it has just fueled disappointment since and taken the excitement felt from 3 decent signings before. We need to stop messing with the likes of trialists Ironside and Clay, who from what we hear are not going to improve the squad, we need to show are intentions from the off this year and if Fenty can't deliver what he promised, he should just shut his mouth!
The quality is better than last year, we have a great nucleus of a team that PH is just putting the final pieces together, have you seen them play yet or are you going on what you have read on here, Fenty has yet again put his money where his mouth is as we have a better budget than last year, PH thankfully is not in a rush to get players in that don’t fit into his plans hence why he has given the trialists a really good bash at it, to me i think PH with his bigger budget personally will get it right as previously we have bought players in on a panic basis and got it wrong, smaller squad better quality, so why don’t you put your money where your mouth is and get to the club and support the team (as opposed to what you hear) and stop giving Fenty some Sh-t for something he has said. |
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But where are one or two decent strikers coming from Garth..? This is what the op is on about.
IMO I'm not bothered about what fenty said or didn't say, but we won't get out of this league with the forwards we've got at present.
There's still time before the start of the season. I seem to remember we signed Lump quite late in pre season. |
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But where are one or two decent strikers coming from Garth..? This is what the op is on about.
IMO I'm not bothered about what fenty said or didn't say, but we won't get out of this league with the forwards we've got at present.
There's plenty of time yet, we don't HAVE to sign them before the first game. Providing Pittman puts in another good performance, he'll probably be the first of the 2 |
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It is now time for John Fenty to put his money where his mouth is and deliver these signings that are going to make the fans hairs on their necks stand up! He should never have said this, as it has just fueled disappointment since and taken the excitement felt from 3 decent signings before. We need to stop messing with the likes of trialists Ironside and Clay, who from what we hear are not going to improve the squad, we need to show are intentions from the off this year and if Fenty can't deliver what he promised, he should just shut his mouth!
He never did say this - he was misquoted.
But where are one or two decent strikers coming from Garth..? This is what the op is on about.
IMO I'm not bothered about what fenty said or didn't say, but we won't get out of this league with the forwards we've got at present.
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But where are one or two decent strikers coming from Garth..? This is what the op is on about.
IMO I'm not bothered about what fenty said or didn't say, but we won't get out of this league with the forwards we've got at present.
I`m no expert but I thought I saw one last night in Pittman, why we are not in for Bogel (sp) I don`t know but he seems to have all the credentials, John Fenty has always backed the manager financially in players that they have wanted, and in the situation we are in at the moment with five decent signings behind us IMO he would not welch on going the extra mile to secure someone suitable if Paul Hurst so decided, We need another pacey striker with goal scoring history now, as was evident last night |
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The quality is better than last year, we have a great nucleus of a team that PH is just putting the final pieces together, have you seen them play yet or are you going on what you have read on here, Fenty has yet again put his money where his mouth is as we have a better budget than last year, PH thankfully is not in a rush to get players in that don’t fit into his plans hence why he has given the trialists a really good bash at it, to me i think PH with his bigger budget personally will get it right as previously we have bought players in on a panic basis and got it wrong, smaller squad better quality, so why don’t you put your money where your mouth is and get to the club and support the team (as opposed to what you hear) and stop giving Fenty some Sh-t for something he has said.
Not sure how anyone can say this until we have played a number of league games, on the showings so far I would have to say I don't see any real improvement and I have seen every game but I really want to see how well we do in the league.Really? have you any figures to back that statement up? |
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Not sure how anyone can say this until we have played a number of league games, on the showings so far I would have to say I don't see any real improvement and I have seen every game but I really want to see how well we do in the league.
Really? have you any figures to back that statement up?
Brown is an improvement on Kerr surely? And I'd rather have Arnold and Mackreth than Rodman and Colbeck? |
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He never did say this - he was misquoted.
He claimed he was misquoted ... |
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He claimed he was misquoted ...
Well even if he wasn't misquoted, what's he guilty of... raising fans expectations...selling more season tickets...doing the best he can for the club? Ain't that part of his job? |
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Not JF biggest fan but I think the panic and hysteria from some is laughable, still 2 weeks till the season starts and haven't played our strongest team once yet. No one can be sure how we will fair this season but I'm fairly confident of top 5 again and I reckon we need to give them at least 10 games before we panic.
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It is now time for John Fenty to put his money where his mouth is and deliver these signings that are going to make the fans hairs on their necks stand up! He should never have said this, as it has just fueled disappointment since and taken the excitement felt from 3 decent signings before. We need to stop messing with the likes of trialists Ironside and Clay, who from what we hear are not going to improve the squad, we need to show are intentions from the off this year and if Fenty can't deliver what he promised, he should just shut his mouth!
It seems to me that JF is always "putting his money where his mouth is" by constantly bankrolling the club. |
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Yeah JF !! how can you not have a team good enough to beat a L1 team !
Difficult to judge on last nights performance , a mish mash of possibles and probables . Doncaster were light years better than us , league football is different to conference . It was a disappointing performance from us never gave doncaster a problem . Hope Friday will give us a better idea of what we will be watching from town this season . |
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Yeah JF !! how can you not have a team good enough to beat a L1 team !
Difficult to judge on last nights performance , a mish mash of possibles and probables . Doncaster were light years better than us , league football is different to conference . It was a disappointing performance from us never gave doncaster a problem . Hope Friday will give us a better idea of what we will be watching from town this season . |
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My understanding is that this year's budget is down a little on last year's. JF indicated that this would be the case at a fans forum, but still competitive for our league.
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Not JF biggest fan but I think the panic and hysteria from some is laughable, still 2 weeks till the season starts and haven't played our strongest team once yet. No one can be sure how we will fair this season but I'm fairly confident of top 5 again and I reckon we need to give them at least 10 games before we panic.
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My understanding is that this year's budget is down a little on last year's. JF indicated that this would be the case at a fans forum, but still competitive for our league.
the difference is we no longer have Hearn's salary (which I would have thought was one of the highest) so can use that. |
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If we start losing matches in the league from the off, then people have every right to moan.
This is a time of assessment and trials of systems, players, fitness levels and avoidance of early injuries pre-season.
If you want the falsehood of 12 - 1 wins against lower opposition, and then getting surprised by teams like Braintree on their home grounds on a wet Tuesday evening, then let's not prepare at all, and just expect that we have the ultimate right to go up as champions !!
On paper at least, the team signings look to have yet again strengthened from the last squad, adding more raw pace.
Still looking for a couple of vital additions (within whatever budget has been set) and then looking at making team performances count once the season starts.
Doncaster work for me as opponents, as the game will get rid of any star egos, having faced better quality ruthless opposition.
A better "out of the blocks" performance against Mansfield could give a better indication of how we are doing, especially for the defense against Liam.
Those who are not up to full fitness need to have full run outs, to keep them heading towards league fitness levels, but we don't want any injuries to those who are replacing banned players in the early games. Whoever is going to be the starting pair of centre halves need to have playing time together so they know their own areas of responsibility at the back, with McKeown knowing what to expect of them.
Results?? - I don't give a damn until the first league game !
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Not sure how anyone can say this until we have played a number of league games, on the showings so far I would have to say I don't see any real improvement and I have seen every game but I really want to see how well we do in the league.
Really? have you any figures to back that statement up?
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Ain't that part of his job?
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The fact he was apparently trying to engineer a move away at the start of last season also makes me wonder how much of his indifferent performance around that time was down to injury and how much was down to lack of interest. I'll not boo, but I don't think I'll applaud either.
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I think the signings so far have been quite shrewd and PH has kept his cards close to his chest. I think the lack of movement in acquiring strikers is more down to frustration more than anything, we desperately want to get out of this league. We are not privy to the dealings of agents who can cause no end of problems, even just before signing. I am trying desperately to be patient, I just wish we would sign those last pieces of the jigsaw.
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There's an argument to say that JF has already put his money where his mouth is, unfortunately he's put it on the wrong horse - more than once. Clearly, the club is in debt to the point where no-one new will take on that debt so we are left in a position where JF continues to subsidise the club (adding to that debt).
I am all in favour of us running a tighter budget for this reason. We need to be able to afford what we do rather than continue to put the finances of the club under greater pressure because, at some point, Mr Fenty's benevolence may run dry.
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I'm still on the side of the fence that is thankful for the input (and money) of John Fenty - it seems he's been bankrolling the club through successive managers.. I can't imagine we'd be in a better place without him to be honest.
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Put his money where his mouth is????
I presume you mean loan us the money then put it where his mouth is.
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Put his money where his mouth is????
I presume you mean loan us the money then put it where his mouth is.
This is no different to any other football club, If you are not happy why don't you offer to give the club all your savings, Not as a loan either as you obviously don't agree with that. |
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John Fenty's problem was never that he closed his cheque book. He was probably to loose with it. His problem was he helped spend the money and chose those who also did. It was kind of like watching a drunk man in front of ebay.
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The quality is better than last year, we have a great nucleus of a team that PH is just putting the final pieces together, have you seen them play yet or are you going on what you have read on here, Fenty has yet again put his money where his mouth is as we have a better budget than last year, PH thankfully is not in a rush to get players in that don’t fit into his plans hence why he has given the trialists a really good bash at it, to me i think PH with his bigger budget personally will get it right as previously we have bought players in on a panic basis and got it wrong, smaller squad better quality, so why don’t you put your money where your mouth is and get to the club and support the team (as opposed to what you hear) and stop giving Fenty some Sh-t for something he has said.
I think you will have to hang about a bit to see if the quality is better than last season. Not seen any of the new guys play for us yet but on paper(IMO) only Brown brings anything better. The new defenders will have go some to better Big Mac. Other teams I expect to be up there with us have mostly got there players in and some are top quality. If these guys on trial don't work out Ph will be bringing in players on a panic basis because the new season will be on top of us. Why not give Fenty sh1t for something he says?? The bloke should learn to keep his mouth shut instead of spouting crap ever time he opens it. |
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My understanding is that this year's budget is down a little on last year's. JF indicated that this would be the case at a fans forum, but still competitive for our league.
Yes indeed the budget for this season has been reduced. It's not for me to say by how much. |
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[quote=932] I think you will have to hang about a bit to see if the quality is better than last season. Not seen any of the new guys play for us yet but on paper(IMO) only Brown brings anything better. The new defenders will have go some to better Big Mac. Other teams I expect to be up there with us have mostly got there players in and some are top quality. If these guys on trial don't work out Ph will be bringing in players on a panic basis because the new season will be on top of us. Why not give Fenty sh1t for something he says?? The bloke should learn to keep his mouth shut instead of spouting crap ever time he opens it. [/quote] Just like a lot of posters on The New Fishy |
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[quote=932] I think you will have to hang about a bit to see if the quality is better than last season. Not seen any of the new guys play for us yet but on paper(IMO) only Brown brings anything better. The new defenders will have go some to better Big Mac. Other teams I expect to be up there with us have mostly got there players in and some are top quality. If these guys on trial don't work out Ph will be bringing in players on a panic basis because the new season will be on top of us. Why not give Fenty sh1t for something he says?? The bloke should learn to keep his mouth shut instead of spouting crap ever time he opens it. [/quote] Just like a lot of posters on The New Fishy
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I think you will have to hang about a bit to see if the quality is better than last season. Not seen any of the new guys play for us yet but on paper(IMO) only Brown brings anything better. The new defenders will have go some to better Big Mac.
Other teams I expect to be up there with us have mostly got there players in and some are top quality. If these guys on trial don't work out Ph will be bringing in players on a panic basis because the new season will be on top of us. Why not give Fenty sh1t for something he says?? The bloke should learn to keep his mouth shut instead of spouting crap ever time he opens it.
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No Fishy users can say what they want when they want, Only the person who owns the club is not allowed to show any passion or have any say
There is a vast difference between a fishy poster giving his OPINION (sh1t or not) and the top man spouting excrement (as he has done on many occasions) as a statement of FACT to con more people to buy Season tickets. I know he says he's been misquoted. He would say that wouldn't he. Far to many bottom lickers on here me thinks. |
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Big Mac?? He was appalling in preseason. I remember watching us lose to grantham and wondering how he was a footballer.
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There is a vast difference between a fishy poster giving his OPINION (sh1t or not) and the top man spouting excrement (as he has done on many occasions) as a statement of FACT to con more people to buy Season tickets.
I know he says he's been misquoted. He would say that wouldn't he.
Far to many bottom lickers on here me thinks.
Could have put it more politely but not more accurately. I've started to track respective league positions now compared to 10 years ago and am struggling to find any club that has dropped further down the league ladder than we have under Mr Fenty's stewardship. I'll get lots of negatives but frankly I don't give a toss - this regime has taken GTFC to a new low and is loaded with debt. |
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If we start losing matches in the league from the off, then people have every right to moan.
This is a time of assessment and trials of systems, players, fitness levels and avoidance of early injuries pre-season.
If you want the falsehood of 12 - 1 wins against lower opposition, and then getting surprised by teams like Braintree on their home grounds on a wet Tuesday evening, then let's not prepare at all, and just expect that we have the ultimate right to go up as champions !!
On paper at least, the team signings look to have yet again strengthened from the last squad, adding more raw pace.
Still looking for a couple of vital additions (within whatever budget has been set) and then looking at making team performances count once the season starts.
Doncaster work for me as opponents, as the game will get rid of any star egos, having faced better quality ruthless opposition.
A better "out of the blocks" performance against Mansfield could give a better indication of how we are doing, especially for the defense against Liam.
Those who are not up to full fitness need to have full run outs, to keep them heading towards league fitness levels, but we don't want any injuries to those who are replacing banned players in the early games. Whoever is going to be the starting pair of centre halves need to have playing time together so they know their own areas of responsibility at the back, with McKeown knowing what to expect of them.
Results?? - I don't give a damn until the first league game !
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Could have put it more politely but not more accurately. I've started to track respective league positions now compared to 10 years ago and am struggling to find any club that has dropped further down the league ladder than we have under Mr Fenty's stewardship.
I'll get lots of negatives but frankly I don't give a toss - this regime has taken GTFC to a new low and is loaded with debt.
Believe me, the club is in a FAR better financial position then we was on the year of the ITV digital collapse and before Fenty took over. We don't have a £750k tax bill and players being paid nearly £10 grand per week for a start. People don't realise how close we were to the brink and what a bad financial state we were in before Fenty took over. |
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Would love to know how much Solihull Moors FC are holding out for Omar Bogle, even if it's 30K by the end of the season if he scores 20+ goals, he will probally be worth a good 150K+
I don't know why we dont invest in players who we can sell for a profit in the future, it's worked for other clubs.
As I mentioned in another topic, we lost 300K on Michael Reddy because we didn't sell him, and Hearn for 100K+ due to injuries later on, we was no better off for keeping them.
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Believe me, the club is in a FAR better financial position then we was on the year of the ITV digital collapse and before Fenty took over.
We don't have a £750k tax bill and players being paid nearly £10 grand per week for a start. People don't realise how close we were to the brink and what a bad financial state we were in before Fenty took over.
Really? Examine the clubs balance sheet and you will see how much the club owes John Fenty and how much it owes the bank and then ask yourself why no-one wants to take the club on. |
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Jesus - it's only July 23 and we are already dredging up all the old chestnuts
I recall seeing GTFC drawing 1-1 with Leeds in a friendly, having played really well, me walking away from BP thinking we were going to have a cracking season...and we were relegated to non league
We are a non league club, with limited cash, no extra financial backers and not exactly the sexiest 'pull' for a number of players.
Proof of the pudding will be 12 games in to new season... if we are in the sh*te I'll doff my hat to the naysayers... until that point we all need to relax and get a grip on reality
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Could have put it more politely but not more accurately. I've started to track respective league positions now compared to 10 years ago and am struggling to find any club that has dropped further down the league ladder than we have under Mr Fenty's stewardship.
I'll get lots of negatives but frankly I don't give a toss - this regime has taken GTFC to a new low and is loaded with debt.
2003 season we was relegated as you like to point out at every opportunity, also in that league that year was Luton who dropped quicker than us in to none league, Wrexham and Stockport (what league are they in now ?) Fact is Fenty took over that year after we where already relegated , took on a mountain of dept created by the previous board and had to pay of previous Directors loans that came to over 2 mil, |
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Really? Examine the clubs balance sheet and you will see how much the club owes John Fenty and how much it owes the bank and then ask yourself why no-one wants to take the club on.
7 hours before kick off v donny you wrote a reasoned post about not caring about how fast we start the season as long as we finish it well and go up. A post many would agree with. A realistic post- especially when trying to get new players to gel and/or try a new system- it may take a bit of time, and as you said it doesn't matter as long as it gets sorted and we march up the league to promotion. We then lose the pre season friendly with a team that have never played together, against far superior opposition- and you fall to pieces... Since then you have accused our manager of being clueless, and that he lacks any passion. You then start laying into john Lewis and Hannah already (talk about not giving them any time to get match fit/sharp!!) and we have absolutely no chance of going up. You have already decided that next season is going to be exactly the same as last season. You even bring out the fenty is the devil and along with our inept management why we won't go up this season before it has even started! and now you are bringing out the 10 year demise of Grimsby town fc story. Shame you missed off the 'shouldn't of let cook go' argument, or the 'hurst only plays his favourites' line! I have a bit of advice for you cos I think I will be reading the same stuff from you after every loss this season and it will get very tedious ................ Stop catastrophising! http://www.artofmanliness.com/2010/04/01/building-your-resilinecy-part-vi-quit-catastrophizing/ |
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Believe me, the club is in a FAR better financial position then we was on the year of the ITV digital collapse and before Fenty took over.
We don't have a £750k tax bill and players being paid nearly £10 grand per week for a start. People don't realise how close we were to the brink and what a bad financial state we were in before Fenty took over.
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7 hours before kick off v donny you wrote a reasoned post about not caring about how fast we start the season as long as we finish it well and go up. A post many would agree with. A realistic post- especially when trying to get new players to gel and/or try a new system- it may take a bit of time, and as you said it doesn't matter as long as it gets sorted and we march up the league to promotion. We then lose the pre season friendly with a team that have never played together, against far superior opposition- and you fall to pieces... Since then you have accused our manager of being clueless, and that he lacks any passion. You then start laying into john Lewis and Hannah already (talk about not giving them any time to get match fit/sharp!!) and we have absolutely no chance of going up. You have already decided that next season is going to be exactly the same as last season. You even bring out the fenty is the devil and along with our inept management why we won't go up this season before it has even started! and now you are bringing out the 10 year demise of Grimsby town fc story. Shame you missed off the 'shouldn't of let cook go' argument, or the 'hurst only plays his favourites' line! I have a bit of advice for you cos I think I will be reading the same stuff from you after every loss this season and it will get very tedious ................ Stop catastrophising! http://www.artofmanliness.com/2010/04/01/building-your-resilinecy-part-vi-quit-catastrophizing/
How very patronising! What happens on the pitch is relevant to what happens off the pitch and vice versa. Both the last two seasons have promised much then petered out, which, I grant you is better than other seasons previous. But whichever way you dress it up the club WE support is still in its lowest league position ever and loaded with debt. I pray that the tide comes in soon and the football gods turn in our favour but under our current manager and with our current strike force I just don't see it, do you? |
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There is a vast difference between a fishy poster giving his OPINION (sh1t or not) and the top man spouting excrement (as he has done on many occasions) as a statement of FACT to con more people to buy Season tickets.
I know he says he's been misquoted. He would say that wouldn't he.
Far to many bottom lickers on here me thinks.
It all boils down to the following - if we agree with your opinion ( and several others on here ) about JF then that is fine. If, on the other hand, we hold a different opinion then we are bottom lickers. A Fishy Poster can say what he likes and that is an opinion but JF can be misquoted about " the hairs on the back of your neck" and that is sh1t and said to con more people into buying season tickets. It seems like you have fixed views about anything concerning JF but obviously your reply to this is that I am an bottom licker. |
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It all boils down to the following - if we agree with your opinion ( and several others on here ) about JF then that is fine. If, on the other hand, we hold a different opinion then we are bottom lickers. A Fishy Poster can say what he likes and that is an opinion but JF can be misquoted about " the hairs on the back of your neck" and that is sh1t and said to con more people into buying season tickets.
It seems like you have fixed views about anything concerning JF but obviously your reply to this is that I am an bottom licker.
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How very patronising!
What happens on the pitch is relevant to what happens off the pitch and vice versa. Both the last two seasons have promised much then petered out, which, I grant you is better than other seasons previous. But whichever way you dress it up the club WE support is still in its lowest league position ever and loaded with debt.
I pray that the tide comes in soon and the football gods turn in our favour but under our current manager and with our current strike force I just don't see it, do you?
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I don't suppose it matters what striker you sign when the manager clearly plans on playing the same striker come rain or shine anyway.
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It all boils down to the following - if we agree with your opinion ( and several others on here ) about JF then that is fine. If, on the other hand, we hold a different opinion then we are bottom lickers. A Fishy Poster can say what he likes and that is an opinion but JF can be misquoted about " the hairs on the back of your neck" and that is sh1t and said to con more people into buying season tickets.
It seems like you have fixed views about anything concerning JF but obviously your reply to this is that I am an bottom licker.
It was like that last season when a few of us spoke out about how crap the football was. We were classed as morons because we didn't agree with other posters who are willing to watch any old crap |
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It was like that last season when a few of us spoke out about how crap the football was.
We were classed as morons because we didn't agree with other posters who are willing to watch any old crap
For those of us who are fortunate enough to remember the great Buckley sides, there's no doubt that by comparison the football now being played at BP can properly be termed 'crap'. BUT The comparison isn't fair or sensible. We're now in a crap league playing mostly other crap sides - and pointing that out doesn't help anything or anyone much. I've bought my season ticket expecting to see crap football (compared to Buckley XI's) but hoping for a bit better than that. We don't have to play great football to get out of this league, just be consistently slightly less crappy than the opposition. I don't see this as acceptance - just being realistic. The less you wish for the more likely it is to happen! |
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I don't suppose it matters what striker you sign when the manager clearly plans on playing the same striker come rain or shine anyway.
I assume you mean LJL? Should we change the manager before the season starts? |
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It says in todays Telegraph that THERE IS money to bring in 2 strikers and another midfielder. Hurst wants another look at Pittman tomorrow night (if HE agrees), and the stumbling block for bringing in new people, is not financial, it was the location!!
Everyone on here and facebook know me as Mr Negative, but I for one, am quiet pleased with the signing we have made. The Macreth/Bignot partnership looked very good against Cleethorpes Town, and think that will progress as the season goes. Pittman looked good even though the result did not go our way against Rovers. I also saw flashes of inspiration from Ironside, and I hope we manage to sign both these players
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I assume you mean LJL? Should we change the manager before the season starts?
I was always an advocate of changing the manager when the last one finished but that's been and gone. I'm intrigued to see how he does now but like some on here I've not wiped my memory of some of the daft decisions and crap performances from last season. I'm not sure 2 players who came from a side close to relegation in Southport and the same tactics that were so urine poor at the start of last season are going to turn us into title winners. I like that he's going for pace on the wings though, but if your planning on playing a striker who won't get 20 goals in a season then a lot of that work could well go to waste. I'd hate to see us scratching our heads in December when the signs were there way before. Of course he could be building a brilliant side that works well, I'm personally not seeing those signs yet. |
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The grass is always greener. If PH had achieved what he had here (two fourth place finishes, and several good cup/FAT runs) at any other club in the division people of here would be crying out for him to be appointed as manager. He remains the best realistic candidate for the job, and another fourth place finish would be a good return for the season.
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I was always an advocate of changing the manager when the last one finished but that's been and gone.
I'm intrigued to see how he does now but like some on here I've not wiped my memory of some of the daft decisions and crap performances from last season. I'm not sure 2 players who came from a side close to relegation in Southport and the same tactics that were so urine poor at the start of last season are going to turn us into title winners. I like that he's going for pace on the wings though, but if your planning on playing a striker who won't get 20 goals in a season then a lot of that work could well go to waste.
I'd hate to see us scratching our heads in December when the signs were there way before. Of course he could be building a brilliant side that works well, I'm personally not seeing those signs yet.
I've certainly not forgotten the poor performances, but i also haven't forgotten the good ones, we are not going to play well in every game and i am also sure there will be the odd embarrassing defeat but that is just part of football. I think a 4th place finish last season was pretty decent considering the turmoil surrounding Scott and the players, we also lost our best player and main goal threat for the full season again. We lacked pace last year and he has moved to change that, i also like the look of the two Southport lads, Brown looks steady and Toto could be a real star alongside Pearson. I have no problem with LJL being our main striker, he's a real handful, he is not going to score the goals, but it is about getting players around him that will hit the net. My only worry at the minute would be right back, we are not as strong as last season with Bignot and i need to see a little more of Magnay because it would be unfair to judge him on his performance against Donny. |
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The grass is always greener. If PH had achieved what he had here (two fourth place finishes, and several good cup/FAT runs) at any other club in the division people of here would be crying out for him to be appointed as manager. He remains the best realistic candidate for the job, and another fourth place finish would be a good return for the season.
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Personally, nothing against Hurst, but feel with a more experienced manager we wouldn't be playing in the Conference now. Not saying that's right, just my opinion. I feel he isn't sure on how he wants his side to play, whether that be through not having the players he wants or enough faith in their ability to do what he asks. I'd love him to prove me wrong and get us up this season though.
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The grass is always greener. If PH had achieved what he had here (two fourth place finishes, and several good cup/FAT runs) at any other club in the division people of here would be crying out for him to be appointed as manager. He remains the best realistic candidate for the job, and another fourth place finish would be a good return for the season.
I know you feel this strongly, and I have nothing at all against Hurst and really hope he succeeds - BUT - I get the feeling that the club itself is also happy with 4th place in Non League. I know you are trying to be realistic but where is the ambition, the drive, the firepower and the determination to finish in the only spot that can guarantee promotion? I think at some stage we will have to have more of a swagger about us, otherwise what is the point of us being a big fish in such a small pond? For a modest sum we could buy a player or two to fire us to the top surely? If Fenty cannot afford it then again what is the point?? |
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I know you feel this strongly, and I have nothing at all against Hurst and really hope he succeeds - BUT - I get the feeling that the club itself is also happy with 4th place in Non League.
I know you are trying to be realistic but where is the ambition, the drive, the firepower and the determination to finish in the only spot that can guarantee promotion?
I think at some stage we will have to have more of a swagger about us, otherwise what is the point of us being a big fish in such a small pond?
For a modest sum we could buy a player or two to fire us to the top surely? If Fenty cannot afford it then again what is the point??
What is the point? Fenty puts in what he affords or thinks we need, there is nothing stopping someone else contributing, Why not offer some of your hard earned cash to get a better striker. Would you rather he walked away and we have nothing, I would say be careful for what you wish for, I am sure allot of Darlington fans would love to be as unsuccessful as us. |
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So you would be happy for us to show ZERO improvement in our league position? A simple yes or no will do.
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It says in todays Telegraph that THERE IS money to bring in 2 strikers and another midfielder. Hurst wants another look at Pittman tomorrow night (if HE agrees), and the stumbling block for bringing in new people, is not financial, it was the location!!
Everyone on here and facebook know me as Mr Negative, but I for one, am quiet pleased with the signing we have made. The Macreth/Bignot partnership looked very good against Cleethorpes Town, and think that will progress as the season goes. Pittman looked good even though the result did not go our way against Rovers. I also saw flashes of inspiration from Ironside, and I hope we manage to sign both these players
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What is the point? Fenty puts in what he affords or thinks we need, there is nothing stopping someone else contributing, Why not offer some of your hard earned cash to get a better striker.
Would you rather he walked away and we have nothing, I would say be careful for what you wish for, I am sure allot of Darlington fans would love to be as unsuccessful as us.
I do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I attend every home game every season! I buy merchandise at every opportunity!!!! I wouldn't invest my money in this club while JF is pulling the strings. Ask Mike Parker!!!!!! (enter additional names here) It's the JF way or no way Imo. He says he'll hand over the club etc but I don't believe him. I don't trust him why would I want to invest while this joker has got this club so tight round the neck. I can quatentee if everyone of the begin loans is wiped and he walks for good I reckon we'll have new investment within 6 months.!! |
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I know you feel this strongly, and I have nothing at all against Hurst and really hope he succeeds - BUT - I get the feeling that the club itself is also happy with 4th place in Non League.
I know you are trying to be realistic but where is the ambition, the drive, the firepower and the determination to finish in the only spot that can guarantee promotion?
I think at some stage we will have to have more of a swagger about us, otherwise what is the point of us being a big fish in such a small pond?
For a modest sum we could buy a player or two to fire us to the top surely? If Fenty cannot afford it then again what is the point??
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What is the point? Fenty puts in what he affords or thinks we need, there is nothing stopping someone else contributing, Why not offer some of your hard earned cash to get a better striker.
Would you rather he walked away and we have nothing, I would say be careful for what you wish for, I am sure allot of Darlington fans would love to be as unsuccessful as us.
That's a false argument Rob. What do you think Luton fans view of ambition was last year? The same as the year before? It depends on where you are, your history, the size of the club, the fan base and all the rest. Quite a few clubs like Darlo might be jealous of us but jealousy doesn't get us back in the league. Every player we sign is quoted in the GT saying we are a "big club". For a big club to be satisfied with 4th place is completely wrong. Can't understand GrimRob's reasoning there. Aim for the top spot and if you get the consolation prize then OK, make the best of it but for goodness sake let's have a go for the automatic place and get players in who share that ambition. So for JF the issue is clear, be ambitious or slide down the non-league pyramid. No club can stand still, Town can't and therefore neither can he. I hope he means what he says about the cash available for players because we need something better that we've got. More important - we need something better than our rival promotion hunters have got. |
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JF said this but according to some on here he would wouldn't he ,even if he didn't mean it.
A bit like the time he told the GET that Neil Woods' job was safe before sacking him 24 hours later you mean? Or the time he agreed to fund the budget deficit with Mike Parker 50/50 in the form of share purchase but then put the money in as a loan, thus creating the whole share fiasco with Parker? Or do you mean the time when he said we hadn't tapped up Scott and Hurst and instead of paying out the 10k compo Boston wanted decided he would fight it out in court, losing the court case, and ultimately adding another 35k to his 'benign loans'. Or do you mean the time he said the club might have to sell Liam Hearn unless the Trust handed over 200k worth of shares? There is absolutely no time during his 12 years plus of mismanagement where he has said one thing and done something else |
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A bit like the time he told the GET that Neil Woods' job was safe before sacking him 24 hours later you mean? Or the time he agreed to fund the budget deficit with Mike Parker 50/50 in the form of share purchase but then put the money in as a loan, thus creating the whole share fiasco with Parker? Or do you mean the time when he said we hadn't tapped up Scott and Hurst and instead of paying out the 10k compo Boston wanted decided he would fight it out in court, losing the court case, and ultimately adding another 35k to his 'benign loans'. Or do you mean the time he said the club might have to sell Liam Hearn unless the Trust handed over 200k worth of shares? There is absolutely no time during his 12 years plus of mismanagement where he has said one thing and done something else
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Can I tick this a thousand times please?
Time for Old Codger to put his money where HIS mouth is! Please tick away. UTM |
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Time for Old Codger to put his money where HIS mouth is!
Please tick away.
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What? Buy a shed load of shares and then give them to the trust? No ta! |
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Doncaster were light years better than us , league football is different to conference .
And who is to blame for that?
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A bit like the time he told the GET that Neil Woods' job was safe before sacking him 24 hours later you mean?
Or the time he agreed to fund the budget deficit with Mike Parker 50/50 in the form of share purchase but then put the money in as a loan, thus creating the whole share fiasco with Parker?
Or do you mean the time when he said we hadn't tapped up Scott and Hurst and instead of paying out the 10k compo Boston wanted decided he would fight it out in court, losing the court case, and ultimately adding another 35k to his 'benign loans'.
Or do you mean the time he said the club might have to sell Liam Hearn unless the Trust handed over 200k worth of shares?
There is absolutely no time during his 12 years plus of mismanagement where he has said one thing and done something else
The nail has had a proper smack on the head there. I do foresee the fishy closing again for a a while after that one though |
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A bit like the time he told the GET that Neil Woods' job was safe before sacking him 24 hours later you mean? CHAIRMAN SHOULD ALWAYS SUPPORT THE MANAGER UNTIL THE BOARD IS MINDED FOR A CHANGE IN MANAGER.. NOT FENTYS DECISION. ITS A BOARD ONE BUT YOU WOULDNT UNDERSTAND THAT! Would you?Or the time he agreed to fund the budget deficit with Mike Parker 50/50 in the form of share purchase but then put the money in as a loan, thus creating the whole share fiasco with Parker? MR PARKER AND MR FENTY HAD AGREED TO PROVIDE LOANS FULL STOP. WHEN MR PARKER LEFT THE BOARD HE DECIDED TO AQUIRE SHARES WITH HIS PORTION OF THE FUNDING. His choice!!Or do you mean the time when he said we hadn't tapped up Scott and Hurst and instead of paying out the 10k compo Boston wanted decided he would fight it out in court, losing the court case, and ultimately adding another 35k to his 'benign loans'. THE MANGERS HAD SIX WEEKS ON THEIR CONTRACT AND NO OFFER ON THE TABLE. IN BUSINESS YOU CAN APPROACH ANYONE TO TALK ABOUT THEM JOINING YOUR COMPANY THERE ARE NO RULES AGAINST. EVEN A PLAYER WHERE THERE ARE RULES ABOUT SUCH APPROACHES YOU CAN MAKE CONTACT IN THE LAST YEAR OF THEIR CONTRACT. THE QUESTION IS WAS COMPENSATION DUE. THE JUDGE CLEARLY DECIDED YES. HIS POINT!! IT WAS RECKLESS TO MAKE AN APPROACH IS A STRANGE ONE. THE JUGE DID DECLARE AN INTEREST AT THE START OF THE HEARNG IN THAT HE WINED AND DINED WITH THE OTHER SIDES SOLICITORS.? OH AND TO ADD SALT INTO THE WOUND WE APPOINTED THE MANGERS AFTER THEY HAD GIVEN NOTICE TO QUIT, AND THAT FOLLOWED THEIR REPLACEMENTS BEING APOINTEDOr do you mean the time he said the club might have to sell Liam Hearn unless the Trust handed over 200k worth of shares? GET REAL MR PARKER HAD JUST ACQUIRED A BLOCK OF SHARES THAT GAVE HIM EFFECTIVE CONTROL OF THE CLUB. WOULD YOU FUND A BUSINESS WHERE OTHERS HAD CONTROL?.
THE TRUST PROPOSED THE TRANSFER OF SHARES TO RECONCILE A SAD sSITUATION THAT DOESNT MAKE SENCE TO THIS DAY.
LETS FACE IT MR FENTY SAID HE WOULD LEAVE THE CLUB AND STOOD DOWN AS CHAIRMAN LEAVING THE DOOR OPEN FOR A RETURNThere is absolutely no time during his 12 years plus of mismanagement where he has said one thing and done something else
WHATS THIS SUPPOSED TO MEAN!!!!! HES A GOOD EGG THEN ALWAYS STOOD UP TO BE COUNTED, HAVE YOU?? GO ON YOU HAVE A GO THEN LETS SEE WHAT YOU CAN DO!!!! I SUPPOSE WITH YOU IN CHARGE LIAM WOULD HAVE STAYED FIT AND DURING THE LAST TWO YEARS WE WOULD HAVE BEEN PROMOTED. NOTHING TO DO WITH OUTSIDE INFLUENCES AT ALL!!!! |
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Time for Old Codger to put his money where HIS mouth is!
Please tick away.
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That's not fair and you know it. Yes Mr.Fenty is lucky to have a personal fortune unlike most (all?) of us on here but he himself chose to use it at the football club. Unfortunately it hasn't gone according to plan though has it, and I don't think you can argue that he has made rather a mess of it; bar keeping us on life support which I suppose is an achievement of sorts. Us of more modest means pay and have paid for many years (before Mr. Fenty was born) to watch our beloved Mariners, and old codgers like me and Old Codger have every right to be critical just like at every other club in the country where they are underperforming. Despite being critical, I sincerely hope he can find the magic formula but the facts so far suggest he wont. We are even behind Eastleigh (!) in the pre season odds. Says it all really. |
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If John Fenty said forget about the loans I will turn them into shares,
Put another million pounds in the pot this season and we got promoted,
There would still be some posters on here calling him,
When anything goes wrong, it's his fault,
The man just can not win on here.
The majority of Town fans know we are better with him than we would be without him.
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That's not fair and you know it.
Yes Mr.Fenty is lucky to have a personal fortune unlike most (all?) of us on here but he himself chose to use it at the football club.
Unfortunately it hasn't gone according to plan though has it, and I don't think you can argue that he has made rather a mess of it; bar keeping us on life support which I suppose is an achievement of sorts.
Us of more modest means pay and have paid for many years (before Mr. Fenty was born) to watch our beloved Mariners, and old codgers like me and Old Codger have every right to be critical just like at every other club in the country where they are underperforming.
Despite being critical, I sincerely hope he can find the magic formula but the facts so far suggest he wont.
We are even behind Eastleigh (!) in the pre season odds. Says it all really.
Ta LCL, if you didn't know Sonik is related to Mr Fenty so his reaction to criticism is understandable. Let's just remember where we were before Mr Fenty took the majority shareholding and appointed Mr Furneaux as chairman. Around 70 places than we are now? |
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If John Fenty said forget about the loans I will turn them into shares,
Put another million pounds in the pot this season and we got promoted,
There would still be some posters on here calling him,
When anything goes wrong, it's his fault,
The man just can not win on here.
The majority of Town fans know we are better with him than we would be without him.
Pete, I admire your loyalty but please look closely at the balance sheet and then tell me that we are in an acceptable financial position. I accept that there other clubs in a financial mess but they are a lot higher up the ladder and more attractive as an investment. |
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Good evening John Are we any closer to signing these players that will make my neck hairs stand on end? |
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Ta LCL, if you didn't know Sonik is related to Mr Fenty so his reaction to criticism is understandable.
Let's just remember where we were before Mr Fenty took the majority shareholding and appointed Mr Furneaux as chairman. Around 70 places than we are now?
Yes I understand Sonik is Mr. Fentys brother? I always take the bait I am afraid - I just can't help myself! His posts merrily gloss over the obvious mismanagement of the club on the altar of his brothers financial input - quietly ignoring those 70 league placings. The thing is we will never really know what any alternative would be like. He wont walk away and lose his money (who would?) but nobody with money will bail him out of the mess he has created. Its all a bit depressing really but despite Fenty I will be shouting my head off in the Pontoon as usual hoping against hope that it falls into place on the field. |
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For those of us who are fortunate enough to remember the great Buckley sides, there's no doubt that by comparison the
football now being played at BP can properly be termed 'crap'.
BUT
The comparison isn't fair or sensible. We're now in a crap league playing mostly other crap sides - and pointing that out doesn't
help anything or anyone much. I've bought my season ticket expecting to see crap football (compared to Buckley XI's) but
hoping for a bit better than that. We don't have to play great football to get out of this league, just be consistently
slightly less crappy than the opposition. I don't see this as acceptance - just being realistic.
The less you wish for the more likely it is to happen!
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Your 'fooked up' brain is your own responsibility though.
I may have a 'fooked up brain' but at least I have one that can see what's been going on in the last decade or so. People (like yourself) who think Fentys dictatorship has brought anything but abject failure must have no brains at all. |
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That should have been an official statement on the OS! |
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I may have a 'fooked up brain' but at least I have one that can see what's been going on in the last decade or so. People (like yourself) who think Fentys dictatorship has brought anything but abject failure must have no brains at all.
Tagg you and others like Old Codger just live in the past and revel in our misfortunes of the last decade. What happened has happened and bringing it up at every opportunity is not going to change that, Why not try support the club we all follow and love and for once try start the season with some positivity rather than hoping we will fail so you can spout this excrement |
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I do hope that this run of very heated debate isn't going to halt the Fishy again !!
Not even started the season yet !!
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Could have put it more politely but not more accurately. I've started to track respective league positions now compared to 10 years ago and am struggling to find any club that has dropped further down the league ladder than we have under Mr Fenty's stewardship.
I'll get lots of negatives but frankly I don't give a toss - this regime has taken GTFC to a new low and is loaded with debt.
Stockport spring to mind. In the same league as us in 2001/02 now in "Whatever it's Called" North... Luton's "bounce-back" cannot hide the fact that their "regime" were responsible for their calamitous fall because they didn't know right from wrong... We all know how far we have fallen under JFs stewardship but some see the need to keep reminding us. Pretty pointless exercise in my opinion. Personally I blame Adolf Hitler. Without WW2 we'd have still been in Division 1. |
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Tagg you and others like Old Codger just live in the past and revel in our misfortunes of the last decade.
What happened has happened and bringing it up at every opportunity is not going to change that,
Why not try support the club we all follow and love and for once try start the season with some positivity rather than hoping we will fail so you can spout this excrement
Nobody wants us to climb the league more than me and I'd love to think that we are signing players for League 2 this time next year. Yes, we've seen great times in the past and God knows I would love to see them again and that's why I despair of fans who are prepared to put up with fifth division mediocrity. |
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Nobody wants us to climb the league more than me and I'd love to think that we are signing players for League 2 this time next year. Yes, we've seen great times in the past and God knows I would love to see them again and that's why I despair of fans who are prepared to put up with fifth division mediocrity.
Nobody likes where we are at the moment but the reality is we are. You say fans put up with us being here but moaning and re living our failures will not get us out of here, We need to get behind the club and push them over the line not hold them back |
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Tagg you and others like Old Codger just live in the past and revel in our misfortunes of the last decade.
What happened has happened and bringing it up at every opportunity is not going to change that,
Why not try support the club we all follow and love and for once try start the season with some positivity rather than hoping we will fail so you can spout this excrement
Realism is whats needed. Not happy clappy acceptance of our situation, but a realistic assessment and some pressure applied (however slight and however ignored it is) to show the current guardians of GTFC that they have not done what is required to get us back were we belong. Half hearted attempts wont do; Fenty has been there an awfully long time and achieved absolutely zero. I remember the day we fell out of the League (don't we all) and I convinced myself that Fenty would throw the kitchen sink at it to get us back but all Ive heard is woolly phrases "competitive budgets" blah blah It is not good enough and he needs to know that. This is a forum were we can all let off steam on one side of the argument or the other - but it will have no bearing whatsoever on our support for the TEAM when the season starts. |
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Nobody wants us to climb the league more than me and I'd love to think that we are signing players for League 2 this time next year. Yes, we've seen great times in the past and God knows I would love to see them again and that's why I despair of fans who are prepared to put up with fifth division mediocrity.
I think the nub of my problem with your demeanour on here (and yeah before you confirm it I KNOW it is my problem) is that you appear to believe that your opinion is strengthened by continual referral to what has gone on in recent history and furthermore only people who cannot forget what has gone on are worthy of having an opinion. For the record I and I suspect the vast majority of more positive posters on here do not look back on the last 10 years with any great affection. Our difference comes in the way I approach the situation. Just because I don't continually go on about past events doesn't mean I'm thrilled at another season in this hell hole of a league and it is blinkered in the extreme to suggest that it is. I certainly prefer not to dwell on what has gone on but look in my own small way to try to effect an improvement. I won't ask you to put your money where your mouth is because I believe it is inherently unfair (and obviously impossible).. to ask any ordinary fan to do so on their own. In another post you made reference to not buying shares to then give them to the Trust-obviously a reference to the Mike Parker episode. I have no idea whether you are a member of the Mariners Trust but if not and you do genuinely want to see an improvement in the fortunes of our football club then I urge you to join-Stronger Together!! |
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I've been convinced that I should no longer accept fifth-tier mediocrity. What happens next?
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I think the nub of my problem with your demeanour on here (and yeah before you confirm it I KNOW it is my problem) is that you appear to believe that your opinion is strengthened by continual referral to what has gone on in recent history and furthermore only people who cannot forget what has gone on are worthy of having an opinion. For the record I and I suspect the vast majority of more positive posters on here do not look back on the last 10 years with any great affection. Our difference comes in the way I approach the situation. Just because I don't continually go on about past events doesn't mean I'm thrilled at another season in this hell hole of a league and it is blinkered in the extreme to suggest that it is. I certainly prefer not to dwell on what has gone on but look in my own small way to try to effect an improvement.
I won't ask you to put your money where your mouth is because I believe it is inherently unfair (and obviously impossible).. to ask any ordinary fan to do so on their own. In another post you made reference to not buying shares to then give them to the Trust-obviously a reference to the Mike Parker episode. I have no idea whether you are a member of the Mariners Trust but if not and you do genuinely want to see an improvement in the fortunes of our football club then I urge you to join-Stronger Together!!
I joined the trust but completely lost faith when they kow-towed to mr Fentys pressures regarding Mr Parkers shares. I cannot believe that so many fawn at the feet of a regime that has seen our club nosedive out of the league. Well done on coming up with Stockport, I knew someone would come up with one club that has fallen further than us. |
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Tagg you and others like Old Codger just live in the past and revel in our misfortunes of the last decade.
What happened has happened and bringing it up at every opportunity is not going to change that,
Why not try support the club we all follow and love and for once try start the season with some positivity rather than hoping we will fail so you can spout this excrement
I don't live in the past but I as a Town fan for over 40 years is proud of our clubs past which is a totally different thing. I don't revel in our 'misfortunes' I merely try to point out to people like yourself who is responsible for these 'misfortunes' I support, follow and love Town and always will do. I would love to start a season with massive optimism but I cant see any positives. It seems to me that our nearest rivals have there teams together with quality signings ready for the seasons start. We as fans seem to live on broken promises, fiddling about with trialists and Managements target players that don't want to sign for a great club like Town for whatever reasons that apparently aren't financial so why don't they want to come here??????? |
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Realism is whats needed.
Not happy clappy acceptance of our situation, but a realistic assessment and some pressure applied (however slight and however ignored it is) to show the current guardians of GTFC that they have not done what is required to get us back were we belong.
Half hearted attempts wont do; Fenty has been there an awfully long time and achieved absolutely zero.
I remember the day we fell out of the League (don't we all) and I convinced myself that Fenty would throw the kitchen sink at it to get us back but all Ive heard is woolly phrases "competitive budgets" blah blah
It is not good enough and he needs to know that. This is a forum were we can all let off steam on one side of the argument or the other - but it will have no bearing whatsoever on our support for the TEAM when the season starts.
You ask for realism and then suggest that Mr Fenty and the others don't know that our position isn't what fans of GTFC expect? The only way to further this club for me IS to have a competitive budget so that we stop (or at least slow down) the reliance on one man for our future. Such things do not happen overnight but will eventually see the club on a much firmer footing. Every season that we rely on the benefices of one person we run the risk of the tap being turned off. If you think it doesn't happen look at some of the clubs who have tried to spend their way to the top , often with the money of one person. I'm not quite sure what you expect anyone to say to JF that will have any effect on the amount of money he is prepared to spend. Would you be prepared to be told if it were your money? |
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I joined the trust but completely lost faith when they kow-towed to mr Fentys pressures regarding Mr Parkers shares. I cannot believe that so many fawn at the feet of a regime that has seen our club nosedive out of the league.
Well done on coming up with Stockport, I knew someone would come up with one club that has fallen further than us.
I expected a reply along those lines. Disappointing but that's life I suppose. The decision to give Mr Fenty those shares was made by a vote of the membership. It's called democracy. I'd better leave you to weep, wail and gnash your teeth about how far we've fallen. Nothing was ever improved by continually looking back. |
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You ask for realism and then suggest that Mr Fenty and the others don't know that our position isn't what fans of GTFC expect? The only way to further this club for me IS to have a competitive budget so that we stop (or at least slow down) the reliance on one man for our future. Such things do not happen overnight but will eventually see the club on a much firmer footing. Every season that we rely on the benefices of one person we run the risk of the tap being turned off. If you think it doesn't happen look at some of the clubs who have tried to spend their way to the top , often with the money of one person.
I'm not quite sure what you expect anyone to say to JF that will have any effect on the amount of money he is prepared to spend. Would you be prepared to be told if it were your money?
So why don't you and your colleagues on the trust use your board positions to ask Mr Fenty to write off some of the money that he has put into the club during the past 12 years. This would show that his intention is not to cripple the club financially as it currently appears on the balance sheet. |
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I don't live in the past but I as a Town fan for over 40 years is proud of our clubs past which is a totally different thing.
I don't revel in our 'misfortunes' I merely try to point out to people like yourself who is responsible for these 'misfortunes'
I support, follow and love Town and always will do.
I would love to start a season with massive optimism but I cant see any positives. It seems to me that our nearest rivals have there teams together with quality signings ready for the seasons start.
We as fans seem to live on broken promises, fiddling about with trialists and Managements target players that don't want to sign for a great club like Town for whatever reasons that apparently aren't financial so why don't they want to come here???????
As I've said elsewhere...we don't need to be reminded...
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I expected a reply along those lines. Disappointing but that's life I suppose. The decision to give Mr Fenty those shares was made by a vote of the membership. It's called democracy. I'd better leave you to weep, wail and gnash your teeth about how far we've fallen. Nothing was ever improved by continually looking back.
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I expected a reply along those lines. Disappointing but that's life I suppose. The decision to give Mr Fenty those shares was made by a vote of the membership. It's called democracy. I'd better leave you to weep, wail and gnash your teeth about how far we've fallen. Nothing was ever improved by continually looking back.
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Stockport spring to mind. In the same league as us in 2001/02 now in "Whatever it's Called" North...
Luton's "bounce-back" cannot hide the fact that their "regime" were responsible for their calamitous fall because they didn't know right from wrong...
We all know how far we have fallen under JFs stewardship but some see the need to keep reminding us. Pretty pointless exercise in my opinion. Personally I blame Adolf Hitler. Without WW2 we'd have still been in Division 1.
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Perfect, make the bloke telling the truth look like the bad guy with a patronising reply, which I am, and you know it.
How come only your opinion is allowed to be the truth, I did not realise you attend all the board meetings and are privy to everything that has gone on behind closed doors for the last 12 years. The truth is people are sick of the pessimistic drivel you spout at every opportunity, Why not change the record and try support the team you say you love so dearly |
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How come only your opinion is allowed to be the truth, I did not realise you attend all the board meetings and are privy to everything that has gone on behind closed doors for the last 12 years.
The truth is people are sick of the pessimistic drivel you spout at every opportunity, Why not change the record and try support the team you say you love so dearly
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The grass is always greener. If PH had achieved what he had here (two fourth place finishes, and several good cup/FAT runs) at any other club in the division people of here would be crying out for him to be appointed as manager. He remains the best realistic candidate for the job, and another fourth place finish would be a good return for the season.
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I would love to start a season with massive optimism but I cant see any positives.
You're not looking very hard! Play-offs the last two years, FA Cup run and FAT successes, most of last season's squad retained, a solid and stable management structure. A board who are putting in more money that they club receive in income. The bookies make us one of the favourites for promotion. That's far more than most clubs in our division have. Stop moaning and get on with the job of supporting. We haven't played a game yet, there's every reason to be positive! |
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Nothing was ever improved by continually looking back.
I'm quoting you but it could just as easily be anyone from the "we are where we are" camp so I apologise if you feel aggrieved. It is wrong to dwell on the past but equally wrong to accept where we are as some sort of inevitability. The present is part of the continuum but the future can be influenced by the present. If we (JF really I suppose) adopt the non-risk strategy that some are looking for on the grounds that the club could sink further if we don't, then the chances of moving upwards are hammered. At this point you have to look back to that first season after relegation when the club had money to spend, didn't spend enough and spent some incredibly badly because JF picked the wrong manager and held the purse closed. If we do not learn lessons from that we will be in the Conference or lower for ever. At some stage every businessman knows they have to speculate to accumulate. My gut feeling on this is that JF is the one who is really living in the past. He got his fingers burned quite badly with Newell and since then has been very reluctant to push the boat out beyond his contingency. Now, it's his money and he can do with it as he wishes but, if he wants to see something tangible from all those years of financial backing for the club he has in my opinion reached the point of no return. Either he goes for it to attract class acts to the club or he keeps to the same policy and lets it slowly sink into mire with no chance of progress, stadium or anything else. At the moment JF's choice of manager suits his current policy. Hurst appears to be as lacking in ambition as JF in the way his team plays and the selection of his transfer targets, but it is a bit hard to tell which of JF and PH is the chicken and which is the egg. |
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I think the thing is with JF is that he is a benefactor, in the absence of anyone else. Without him we would be reliant on gate receipts and whatever we can muster in terms of sponsorship deals. None of which I would argue will give us a promotion winning team.
In the absence of a richer benefactor, we are not going to buy our way out of this dreadful, godforsaken league. Therefore we are reliant on a mixture of astute signings at bargain basement prices, and a youth policy paying dividends, to get us back into the league. I'm old enough to remember us doing this before and, I pray, will see it again.
Unfortunately, a lot of this relies on a huge dollop of luck. We didn't get it at Gateshead in the play-offs. Maybe we will this year, who knows. Chances are we aren't going to go up automatically - we haven't the investment - but will make the play-offs.
What we can't do - shouldn't do - is slag off the one benefactor we do have, without whom we would just be Lincoln, Wrexham, Halifax or other former league team without two pennies to rub together!
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MR PARKER AND MR FENTY HAD AGREED TO PROVIDE LOANS FULL STOP. WHEN MR PARKER LEFT THE BOARD HE DECIDED TO AQUIRE SHARES WITH HIS PORTION OF THE FUNDING. His choice!!
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That is not what Mr Parker said in his interview on Radio Humberside that I listened to.
But can we believe everything that comes out of RH? The only thing that I can think of that has emanated from them with any real "conviction" - I'm not sure even they believed it themselves? - is when Burnsy pontificated a decade or so ago that unless there was a change of tack, we'd end up in the conference.... Who back then ever believed that would be the case?  |
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Why do we go over the same shite. Yes I want whats best for GTFC but continually going over old ground just irritates, annoys, upsets me and probably other users just to make everybody known how much we blame someone. Sometimes I do really wonder if those that can't move on should really be supporting town, maybe its time for a change Cleethorpes Town are on the up. Sorry for the rant but I'd like to remain positive for the start of the season and you lot are killing that with all your negativity. New season, new players same old fans.
Get behind the club and do your bit after all that's what we fans do.
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But can we believe everything that comes out of RH?
Considering it was actually Mr Parker that said it, hopefully yes. It was an interview before an evening match, can't remember which one it was.  |
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What we can't do - shouldn't do - is slag off the one benefactor we do have, without whom we would just be Lincoln, Wrexham, Halifax or other former league team without two pennies to rub together!
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You mean floundering around in non league obscurity.
But we're not obscure in non-league. We're one of the giants because we have the resources to challenge at the top every season. Every year has arguably also been an improvement on the previous one. If our funding was suddenly taken away we'd struggle to even finish in the top half, which would mean crowds would drop, and the chances of even making the-offs would be pretty remote. |
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You're not looking very hard! Play-offs the last two years, FA Cup run and FAT successes, most of last season's squad retained, a solid and stable management structure. A board who are putting in more money that they club receive in income. The bookies make us one of the favourites for promotion.
That's far more than most clubs in our division have. Stop moaning and get on with the job of supporting. We haven't played a game yet, there's every reason to be positive!
'Play-offs the last two years' - Still non league so fook all success there then. 'FA Cup run' - Well that seems to have boosted our buying power in the transfer market this season 'FAT' - 'A board who are putting in more money that they club receive in income' - Is this not the same at the vast majority of Football clubs? 'The bookies make us one of the favourites for promotion' - Oh well thats us promoted then 'there's every reason to be positive' - I really wish I could be positive and I will be at BP to support the lads again this season hoping against hope we get out of this excrement non league. I admire your optimism but I cant share it  |
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I think making the play offs and then falling in the semis in consecutive years does not constitute improvement. Quite the opposite. It looks like we haven't followed the clues, learned lessons, used our resources wisely enough.
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That is not what Mr Parker said in his interview on Radio Humberside that I listened to.
Proof? And no he didn't. Just give over it was agreed to put loans in which changed on leaving of the board and that's the individual's choice. Ie he chose to get something (shares for his investment). It makes no difference in any event so your point. If Mr Fenty had purchased shares instead of loans you would say those champing at the he bit to put countless millions in the club were being put off by his overwhelming shareholding. Facts are in any form shares and or loans he is deemed in Finacial terms to control the club. Put up or shut up. This is very boring and achieving zilch!!! Facts are we have a competitive budget which is backed by one individual a fantastic commercial support and some great fans who actually back the club and who want the best and don't trawl over the past for no good reason. |
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But we're not obscure in non-league. We're one of the giants because we have the resources to challenge at the top every season. Every year has arguably also been an improvement on the previous one.
If our funding was suddenly taken away we'd struggle to even finish in the top half, which would mean crowds would drop, and the chances of even making the-offs would be pretty remote.
What a defeatist attitude Rob. After all my years of supporting the club I think I would rather JF said he was putting 2 or 3 years of funding into one last season's excrement or bust bash at promotion. If it works, brilliant. If it doesn't then at least a once great club could go out with a bang and not a whimper like it is at the moment. JF could walk away with some pride whatever the outcome and we would have a league team or settle for supporting at the level of Cleethorpes Town. I'd rather we risk all than carry on with the death of a thousand cuts. |
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Why do we go over the same shite. Yes I want whats best for GTFC but continually going over old ground just irritates, annoys, upsets me and probably other users just to make everybody known how much we blame someone. Sometimes I do really wonder if those that can't move on should really be supporting town, maybe its time for a change Cleethorpes Town are on the up. Sorry for the rant but I'd like to remain positive for the start of the season and you lot are killing that with all your negativity. New season, new players same old fans.
Get behind the club and do your bit after all that's what we fans do.
This is a forum visited by a small number of fans, and we are quite rightly debating the likely fortunes of the club under the present owner. It has nothing to do with supporting the team itself and will have no impact at all on the season ahead. When the whistle goes we will all be cheering as loudly as ever I can assure you. But Fenty is just the current owner; he is not GTFC. I support the club as an entity, but I am not a supporter of Mr. Fenty and what keeps me going is to be able to voice my concerns whilst still supporting the team as I have done all my life. |
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This is a forum visited by a small number of fans, and we are quite rightly debating the likely fortunes of the club under the present owner.
It has nothing to do with supporting the team itself and will have no impact at all on the season ahead.
When the whistle goes we will all be cheering as loudly as ever I can assure you. But Fenty is just the current owner; he is not GTFC.
I support the club as an entity, but I am not a supporter of Mr. Fenty and what keeps me going is to be able to voice my concerns whilst still supporting the team as I have done all my life.
Amen to that. Can we now all accept that we all love the club but have differing opinions and levels of acceptance as to how it is run? |
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I'm quoting you but it could just as easily be anyone from the "we are where we are" camp so I apologise if you feel aggrieved. It is wrong to dwell on the past but equally wrong to accept where we are as some sort of inevitability. The present is part of the continuum but the future can be influenced by the present. If we (JF really I suppose) adopt the non-risk strategy that some are looking for on the grounds that the club could sink further if we don't, then the chances of moving upwards are hammered. At this point you have to look back to that first season after relegation when the club had money to spend, didn't spend enough and spent some incredibly badly because JF picked the wrong manager and held the purse closed. If we do not learn lessons from that we will be in the Conference or lower for ever. At some stage every businessman knows they have to speculate to accumulate. My gut feeling on this is that JF is the one who is really living in the past. He got his fingers burned quite badly with Newell and since then has been very reluctant to push the boat out beyond his contingency. Now, it's his money and he can do with it as he wishes but, if he wants to see something tangible from all those years of financial backing for the club he has in my opinion reached the point of no return. Either he goes for it to attract class acts to the club or he keeps to the same policy and lets it slowly sink into mire with no chance of progress, stadium or anything else. At the moment JF's choice of manager suits his current policy. Hurst appears to be as lacking in ambition as JF in the way his team plays and the selection of his transfer targets, but it is a bit hard to tell which of JF and PH is the chicken and which is the egg.
A superb summing up. I would only add that it is possible that Mr.Fenty has quietly slipped into accepting the status quo; the wages and general running costs of the club, although out of our reach as mere fans, are such that he can manage because we are at such a low level. He still gets to run the place as he wishes, still gets the match day buzz as he entertains his opposite numbers/guests, still has the kudos of being the owner of a professional football club. Perhaps he is waiting for developments on the new stadium to try to bring some new life into his tenure? We will find out in due course but I reckon we might be waiting a while. |
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What a defeatist attitude Rob.
How anyone can me a defeatist compared to the some of the negative misery guts on here who have already written the season off! The same buffoons who think if we replace the whole team, manager and board with half the budget we have now we will somehow go sailing into the sunset and live happily ever after. The reality is some people are just negative moaners and will always be negative and moan no matter what the team is doing. I will never be one of them especially when we're doing well in the league every season with the setup we have. |
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I think making the play offs and then falling in the semis in consecutive years does not constitute improvement. Quite the opposite. It looks like we haven't followed the clues, learned lessons, used our resources wisely enough.
I disagree. Most teams who make the play-offs don't do so the next season. Their best players or manager get poached, and it's hard to reconstruct as a competitive side. I'd be surprised if Gateshead or Halifax finished in the top five again for instance, but I think we've got a good chance, largely because of our financial backing allowing us to hang on to the manager and much of the team that have achieved what they have. If we keep finishing in the top five every year one day we'll get promoted! But we need the budget to keep getting us there. |
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As somebody not daft enough to be a gambler, the idea that we should go all-in, shite or bust appals me.
Anybody who is willing to see our 136 year old club go out of business in the event of a failure to win promotion in one shite or bust season (which, let's face it, could easily come at the hands of one of the many dreadful refereeing decisions we encounter each year), seems to me to have a very strange view of what supporting a club actually means.
We've certainly seen a dramatic fall in status since Fenty took charge - partly his fault, partly not. Anybody thinking that, in this day and age, we'd be regulars in the second tier of English football had he not become involved at the club needs to take a reality check. We were punching above our weight back then but the monetisation of football means that bigger clubs inevitably find their way higher up the Football League, barring the odd occasion where a smaller club manages to get themselves promoted 'above their level' for a season or two.
This is not to say Fenty is blameless, as his poor managerial choices have ultimately cost us what ought to be a place in the lower divisions of the Football League. That said, we always knew it was going to be difficult to get out of the Conference and that was before you had the likes of small clubs such as Fleetwood and Crawley spending huge amounts and managing to get themselves promoted. On the other hand, you had Luton spending similarly huge amounts for many years before finally getting it right and FGR are spending comical amounts without any success as yet so the idea that it is easy to just spend your way out of the Conference is clearly not true.
Ultimately, I fail to see the point in this thread. Divisive bickering between fans before a ball has been kicked in the new season and before our signings are even complete can't possibly achieve anything productive.
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How anyone can me a defeatist compared to the some of the negative misery guts on here who have already written the season off! The same buffoons who think if we replace the whole team, manager and board with half the budget we have now we will somehow go sailing into the sunset and live happily ever after. The reality is some people are just negative moaners and will always be negative and moan no matter what the team is doing. I will never be one of them especially when we're doing well in the league every season with the setup we have.
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If we keep finishing in the top five every year one day we'll get promoted! But we need the budget to keep getting us there.
No we won't. We will just finish in the top five. Look at the play-off games we have had Rob and you will see that we came up short on class each time. That's the pattern that will continue. We grind our way into the play-offs and then fall short in the knock-out, losing a bit more credibility each time. The difference between us is that you think making last spot in the play-offs is a success whereas I accept making the play-offs is an achievement but only as a poor consolation prize after fighting all season for the top spot. |
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Proof? And no he didn't. Just give over it was agreed to put loans in which changed on leaving of the board and that's the individual's choice. Ie he chose to get something (shares for his investment).
It makes no difference in any event so your point.
If Mr Fenty had purchased shares instead of loans you would say those champing at the he bit to put countless millions in the club were being put off by his overwhelming shareholding.
Facts are in any form shares and or loans he is deemed in Finacial terms to control the club.
Put up or shut up. This is very boring and achieving zilch!!!
Facts are we have a competitive budget which is backed by one individual a fantastic commercial support and some great fans who actually back the club and who want the best and don't trawl over the past for no good reason.
Listen sunshine I was just pointing out that what you said in your comment was not what Mr Parker said in a radio interview, I heard it from the man himself not some jumped up internet warrior. |
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But we're not obscure in non-league. We're one of the giants because we have the resources to challenge at the top every season. Every year has arguably also been an improvement on the previous one.
If our funding was suddenly taken away we'd struggle to even finish in the top half, which would mean crowds would drop, and the chances of even making the-offs would be pretty remote.
Er actually we are, I don't live or work in Grimsby and in my job meet all sorts of football fans from around the country and when we talk about football and who I support many don't even know what league we are in. And if my memory is correct didn't JF mention something about a shortfall of £500,000 a season by not being in the Football League. |
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No we won't. We will just finish in the top five. Look at the play-off games we have had Rob and you will see that we came up short on class each time. That's the pattern that will continue. We grind our way into the play-offs and then fall short in the knock-out, losing a bit more credibility each time.
The rules of football are the same whether it's a league game or a play-off. To get into the top 5 you have to have a good winning record over 46 games. After that it boils down to a one-off game. Nothing is pre-determined in any football game, either team can win, especially when there is such a close record between the two sides as in a play-off game. We simple have too small a sample size to say Grimsby can't win a play-off in this division. |
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Listen sunshine I was just pointing out that what you said in your comment was not what Mr Parker said in a radio interview, I heard it from the man himself not some jumped up internet warrior.
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The rules of football are the same whether it's a league game or a play-off. To get into the top 5 you have to have a good winning record over 46 games. After that it boils down to a one-off game. Nothing is pre-determined in any football game, either team can win, especially when there is such a close record between the two sides as in a play-off game.
We simple have too small a sample size to say Grimsby can't win a play-off in this division.
Come off it Rob, I'd love it but we would have to be the luckiest side alive to do it with the strategy we have had. "Hard to beat" isn't quite the same as "likely to win" and the law of averages just doesn't make up for a lack of quality players. |
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I don't get the mentality of some posters who seem to think because you criticise the owner/manager/players you are not a proper supporter and should give up following Town. That's a very Stalinist attitude. Everyone's entitled to express their opinions, even those who believe JF is saving the club . |
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Perfect, make the bloke telling the truth look like the bad guy with a patronising reply, which I am, and you know it.
The "Truth" is that the members of the Trust decided to give the shares to JF in a democratic vote. I assume you voted against? Do you take your bat and ball home if the party that you vote for in an election don't get elected?- I genuinely don't understand what is so difficult to understand about that? Actually I don't think you are a bad guy-don't be so hard on yourself. |
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And nothing was ever improved by accepting mediocrity.
Yep...you are right. Tonight I'll chain myself to the gates of Blundell Park in a powerful stand against mediocrity. I expect you and others of a like mind to join me. That will show 'em. |
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So why don't you and your colleagues on the trust use your board positions to ask Mr Fenty to write off some of the money that he has put into the club during the past 12 years. This would show that his intention is not to cripple the club financially as it currently appears on the balance sheet.
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The "Truth" is that the members of the Trust decided to give the shares to JF in a democratic vote. I assume you voted against? Do you take your bat and ball home if the party that you vote for in an election don't get elected?- I genuinely don't understand what is so difficult to understand about that?
Actually I don't think you are a bad guy-don't be so hard on yourself.
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I'm quoting you but it could just as easily be anyone from the "we are where we are" camp so I apologise if you feel aggrieved. It is wrong to dwell on the past but equally wrong to accept where we are as some sort of inevitability. The present is part of the continuum but the future can be influenced by the present. If we (JF really I suppose) adopt the non-risk strategy that some are looking for on the grounds that the club could sink further if we don't, then the chances of moving upwards are hammered. At this point you have to look back to that first season after relegation when the club had money to spend, didn't spend enough and spent some incredibly badly because JF picked the wrong manager and held the purse closed. If we do not learn lessons from that we will be in the Conference or lower for ever. At some stage every businessman knows they have to speculate to accumulate. My gut feeling on this is that JF is the one who is really living in the past. He got his fingers burned quite badly with Newell and since then has been very reluctant to push the boat out beyond his contingency. Now, it's his money and he can do with it as he wishes but, if he wants to see something tangible from all those years of financial backing for the club he has in my opinion reached the point of no return. Either he goes for it to attract class acts to the club or he keeps to the same policy and lets it slowly sink into mire with no chance of progress, stadium or anything else. At the moment JF's choice of manager suits his current policy. Hurst appears to be as lacking in ambition as JF in the way his team plays and the selection of his transfer targets, but it is a bit hard to tell which of JF and PH is the chicken and which is the egg.
Excellent post (not meant as a patronising comment before Codger gets on my back-again). I wouldn't dispute your arguments about mistakes made in that first season of non-league and before and after. I suspect the problem is that those years have told on JFs personal finances and as such he may not be in a position to do other than he currently is doing. My involvement with the Trust is done purely on the basis that I believe that the only way long term that GTFC will survive is to cease our reliance on one man. The whole thing is far too much a case of Ifs buts and maybes. If Town got promoted and JF wanted to go then would someone be prepared to step in, or would those in the "Fenty must make reparations" camp then be insisting that he bankrolls a campaign to keep us in the league or even get us promoted back to our rightful place in the Championship? I'm afraid as a club we were at one time very glad of JFs money but those gifts always come at a price. In Town's place it means that he continues to "call the shots". |
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In a democratic vote where someone moved the goalposts halfway through the process as Quagmire eloquently stated earlier this thread
I can only assume you are referring to the bit about JF saying that he might have to sell Liam. Nobody knows whether he would have been forced to carry out that threat. Thankfully common sense prevailed..... N.B. You seem to call a lot of people patronising. Is that because you cannot come up with another word for people who don't share your jaundiced views? |
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I don't get the mentality of some posters who seem to think because you criticise the owner/manager/players you are not a proper supporter and should give up following Town. That's a very Stalinist attitude. Everyone's entitled to express their opinions, even those who believe JF is saving the club .
And I don't get the mentality that says that you are a bottom licker because you don't advocate the continual retrospective pillorying of JF. Does that make us even? |
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Yep...you are right. Tonight I'll chain myself to the gates of Blundell Park in a powerful stand against mediocrity. I expect you and others of a like mind to join me. That will show 'em.
I wont because I don't like friendlies. But in a nutshell you're right - none of us can do a damned thing about it apart from share our frustrations on here. He wont go because he wants to get some of his money back (presumably something to do with the new stadium) nobody will come in 'cos he needs paying off, and he wont/can't buy the calibre of player to show intent. Lets hope we get lucky on the field then. UTM |
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The "Truth" is that the members of the Trust decided to give the shares to JF in a democratic vote. I assume you voted against? Do you take your bat and ball home if the party that you vote for in an election don't get elected?- I genuinely don't understand what is so difficult to understand about that?
Actually I don't think you are a bad guy-don't be so hard on yourself.
It was a vote that never needed to happen, the trust in it's infancy was never going to challange for control of the club, IMO it was quite a cold and ruthless move at the expense of the fans and the scaremongering was uneccessary and honestly classless. I can understand why people voted to give the shares up, they were scared. I felt extremely sorry for Mike Parker, who actually pumped £1.25 million into the club knowing he would get nothing back, he hasn't saddled the club with any debt, he was put in a position where he would have had to purchase all of the shares in the club, which would cost a small fortune and not improve the finances of the club but that of the other major shareholders. Someone with a wild imagination might think that the share issue was engineered by people looking to recoup losses at Parker's expense, but that would surely be crazy! |
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Would you write off your money in his position?
We as fans do not get the season ticket money back if we have a bad season and we don't make the decisions. It's really about the health of the club, nobody is likely to pay upwards of 3 million quid for it, i know of people who have been interested in taking the club on but will not in it's current state. I would like to think that if i had got it so wrong that i would not stand in the way of the club progressing when i had given up trying to make a success of it myself. |
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N.B. You seem to call a lot of people patronising. Is that because you cannot come up with another word for people who don't share your jaundiced views?
I can think of several other words that describe your 'superior than thou' posts - condescending, demeaning etc. You may be on the committee of an entity that purports to act on behalf of the fans but it doesn't make you better than anyone else who supports Grimsby Town. As I posted earlier (to try and round this up), we all support the club, we all want to be back in the league, we all believe that 5 years in the 5th tier is too long but we don't all agree on how it is likely to happen or that it is likely to happen at all. What is clear from this thread is that my views aren't any more jaundiced than yours. One poster has called us buffoons even, for having a view that might just vary from Mr Fentys party line. What will you come up with next? |
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It was a vote that never needed to happen, the trust in it's infancy was never going to challange for control of the club, IMO it was quite a cold and ruthless move at the expense of the fans and the scaremongering was uneccessary and honestly classless. I can understand why people voted to give the shares up, they were scared.
I felt extremely sorry for Mike Parker, who actually pumped £1.25 million into the club knowing he would get nothing back, he hasn't saddled the club with any debt, he was put in a position where he would have had to purchase all of the shares in the club, which would cost a small fortune and not improve the finances of the club but that of the other major shareholders. Someone with a wild imagination might think that the share issue was engineered by people looking to recoup losses at Parker's expense, but that would surely be crazy!
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We as fans do not get the season ticket money back if we have a bad season and we don't make the decisions. It's really about the health of the club, nobody is likely to pay upwards of 3 million quid for it, i know of people who have been interested in taking the club on but will not in it's current state. I would like to think that if i had got it so wrong that i would not stand in the way of the club progressing when i had given up trying to make a success of it myself.
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For the umpteen time within the last four seasons who, name names or we of little knowledge will have to dismiss it as small talk
I couldn't care less if you think it's small talk, i know that my info is kosher without having to name anyone. i'm confident that the club would have a few suitors if it was offered without it's substantial debt and without it's current board. To be fair though, i hope the club is a success on the pitch, we get promoted and the club can be successful again in the football league whoever is in charge, however i won't forget the way that the fans have been treated over the last 10 years. |
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I couldn't care less if you think it's small talk, i know that my info is kosher without having to name anyone. i'm confident that the club would have a few suitors if it was offered without it's substantial debt and without it's current board. To be fair though, i hope the club is a success on the pitch, we get promoted and the club can be successful again in the football league whoever is in charge, however i won't forget the way that the fans have been treated over the last 10 years.
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Proof? And no he didn't. Just give over it was agreed to put loans in which changed on leaving of the board and that's the individual's choice. Ie he chose to get something (shares for his investment).
It makes no difference in any event so your point.
If Mr Fenty had purchased shares instead of loans you would say those champing at the he bit to put countless millions in the club were being put off by his overwhelming shareholding.
Facts are in any form shares and or loans he is deemed in Finacial terms to control the club.
Put up or shut up. This is very boring and achieving zilch!!!
Facts are we have a competitive budget which is backed by one individual a fantastic commercial support and some great fans who actually back the club and who want the best and don't trawl over the past for no good reason.
Thanks for shedding some light in the Parker / shares issue. However, I feel that the BIG questions that has been posed many times is 1. Why was MP allowed to buy more shares than JF considering the club shares rule comes under rule 9. 2. Who / whom sanctioned these additional shares. 3. Why did it take several months before rule 9 all of a sudden became an issue. 4. Why wasn't some of the benign debt converted to shares to match the acquired shares by MP. 5. Why haven't the minutes for the meetings been released were JF and MP agreed on how to fund the club, ie shares / loans. 6. Why can't all of JF's benign debt be converted to shares. Looking forward to your reply. |
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Thanks for the invite but I don't meet strangers off the internet and I think the questions are clear enough to understand for someone who demonstrates that they are in the know.
Don't you mean, I like to hide behind a keyboard where I can bend fact to suite my argument, Why not agree to meet at a game where there is allot of people about |
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I can think of several other words that describe your 'superior than thou' posts - condescending, demeaning etc.
You may be on the committee of an entity that purports to act on behalf of the fans but it doesn't make you better than anyone else who supports Grimsby Town. As I posted earlier (to try and round this up), we all support the club, we all want to be back in the league, we all believe that 5 years in the 5th tier is too long but we don't all agree on how it is likely to happen or that it is likely to happen at all.
What is clear from this thread is that my views aren't any more jaundiced than yours. One poster has called us buffoons even, for having a view that might just vary from Mr Fentys party line. What will you come up with next?
I'm not at all sure what you mean by purports to act on behalf of fans. All this talk of me making "superior than thou" posts and thinking I'm better than anyone else who supports Grimsby Town suggests an inferiority complex of large proportions. I certainly haven't called anyone a buffoon but have on several occasions in this thread been lumped together with like-minded posters as a bottom licker. President Truman had it about right...If you cannot stand the heat get out of the kitchen |
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I'm not at all sure what you mean by purports to act on behalf of fans. All this talk of me making "superior than thou" posts and thinking I'm better than anyone else who supports Grimsby Town suggests an inferiority complex of large proportions. I certainly haven't called anyone a buffoon but have on several occasions in this thread been lumped together with like-minded posters as a bottom licker. President Truman had it about right...If you cannot stand the heat get out of the kitchen
Did I say you had called us buffoons? No! But then again, it's all about you isn't it? And no, I certainly don't feel inferior to someone who is one of several lemmings who continues to prop up the clubs leader. |
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Did I say you had called us buffoons? No!
But then again, it's all about you isn't it? And no, I certainly don't feel inferior to someone who is one of several lemmings who continues to prop up the clubs leader.
M'lud the case rests... In my best condescending way I'd suggest that at the moment it is JF who is propping up the club not the way you suggest. To repeat an earlier comment the best way for Town to progress is to do everything possible to reduce the reliance on one person especially given that quite a few seem to be suggesting that no one else is interested in running the club given the current level of debt to one man and that person shows no signs of doing anything to offset any of that debt. A competitive budget to prevent that debt becoming any higher seems to me to be a good starting point especially as there are no guarantees that spending lots of money gets you success (ask FGR). Any shortfall needs to be addressed from the type of fund-raising the Trust are trying to organise. If you have a problem with me then so be it...I'll survive- but it isn't fair to call the other people who work very hard to try and improve the lot of GTFC which will ultimately improve the experience for all Town fans-hopefully in the football league. |
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At last we agree. A competitive budget that is sustainable. Then Mr Fenty writes off the money he has wasted as opposed to holding these loans against the clubs assets. We then clear out the manager who seems determined to continue with his one tactic 'hoof it to Lennie' and employ a manager like Gary Mills who seems to get the best out of whoever is his squad.
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Don't you mean, I like to hide behind a keyboard where I can bend fact to suite my argument, Why not agree to meet at a game where there is allot of people about
I didn't see the invite as a personal threat, I would have declined the invite even if you had issued it, nothing personal. I don't see why I would have to meet in person to ask the questions I have already asked, it's not TV's Question Time. I attend plenty of games both home and away and there are plenty on here who know me. What facts am I bending and what is my argument. I have asked specific questions to the farce that surrounded one of the biggest flare up's between two people who could have taken this club forward. The person I asked those questions of, seems to be in the know, hiding from answering them either proves they aren't in the know or the answers aren't in their favour enough for them to answer them straight. |
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Correct me if I am wrong,
I do not think anybody have brought this up in this long running saga,
BUT
When Fenty ask for 200,000 shares off the Trust for a seat on the board,
He did not have to give them 2 seats,
As far as I know each board member has an equal vote,
So John was being more than fair in giving the Trust the extra seat.
Why people are concerned that the benign loans are a problem is above me,
Fenty has said many times he will not put the club at risk,
BUT
If a billionaire comes in and wants to buy the club,
John asking for his 2 or 3 million back will not break the billionaire's bank.
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Correct me if I am wrong,
I do not think anybody have brought this uo in this long running saga,
BUT
When Fenty ask for 200,000 shares off the Trust for a seat on the board,
He did not have to give them 2 seats,
As far as I know each board member has an equal vote,
So J
Fair enough that JF wanted those shares so he could establish a majority giving him 51% and control as the only remaining investor. A small point I would like you to think about, the £200K shares obtained is more than what the other directors hold and offer as a loan to the club combined. I whole heartedly agree that it is good we have people from the trust in the boardroom. |
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I know he's not a striker but the timing of the signing is usually irrelevant, as didn't we sign Pond 1 day before the Southport (first game) or something.... And he turned out amazing.
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Thanks for the invite but I don't meet strangers off the internet and I think the questions are clear enough to understand for someone who demonstrates that they are in the know.
Not a stranger to most 93. I am John Fenty and replete I will answers your questions in person.You are one of a few that trawl the past to no benefit. I am not prepared to repeatably defend against your off the mark questions or discuss this matter in a public arena. So it's up to you fella, are you man enough to accept my invite to meet personally. It shows to some degree your character to even publish my kind gesture to meet ,,, the objective of which is to dispel some of you misguided notions. It's up to you what you think after that. I Promise, I don't bite and am very patient with ignorant people. Go on meet me. LOL  |
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Not a stranger to most 93. I am John Fenty and replete I will answers your questions in person.You are one of a few that trawl the past to no benefit. I am not prepared to repeatably defend against your off the mark questions or discuss this matter in a public arena. So it's up to you fella, are you man enough to accept my invite to meet personally. It shows to some degree your character to even publish my kind gesture to meet ,,, the objective of which is to dispel some of you misguided notions. It's up to you what you think after that. I Promise, I don't bite and am very patient with ignorant people. Go on meet me. LOL
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Haha, quality! The cat is out of the bag! Fair play gents.
But will 93 or any of the other " Fenty Bashers " agree to meet and have their questions and concerns answered? I certainly won't hold my breath on this one. They may be brave behind a key-board but " face to face " isn't part of their character. |
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But will 93 or any of the other " Fenty Bashers " agree to meet and have their questions and concerns answered? I certainly won't hold my breath on this one. They may be brave behind a key-board but " face to face " isn't part of their character.
22 years HM Forces, Afghanistan, Iraq and many other conflict zones, brave enough to put myself on the line, is that man enough for you. |
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22 years HM Forces, Afghanistan, Iraq and many other conflict zones, brave enough to put myself on the line, is that man enough for you.
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Don't you mean, I like to hide behind a keyboard where I can bend fact to suite my argument, Why not agree to meet at a game where there is allot of people about
Probably doesn’t go to the games unless he is invited from someone else who is paying. |
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Personally I can't see why you're not addressing the questions raised on here Mr Fenty. Surely the public forum is more wide reaching than a face-to-face chat where your words will reach only 1 person. These questions are eating away at the club once again. You can address them once and for all here and now.
Or aren't YOU man enough?
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Not a stranger to most 93. I am John Fenty and replete I will answers your questions in person.You are one of a few that trawl the past to no benefit. I am not prepared to repeatably defend against your off the mark questions or discuss this matter in a public arena. So it's up to you fella, are you man enough to accept my invite to meet personally. It shows to some degree your character to even publish my kind gesture to meet ,,, the objective of which is to dispel some of you misguided notions. It's up to you what you think after that. I Promise, I don't bite and am very patient with ignorant people. Go on meet me. LOL
If you want to talk to me one on one, you can come and visit me at Merry Hill, Dudley during the week but only if you have the answers to my questions and that I can scan and publish them on here. I have met you and spoken many times, Terry can confirm that. I have always found you straight forward in person but behind the scenes a different character. Let me explain why, I know that you tried to have me banned and I know that you were considering taken legal action not only against me but others for what was said before the fishy was closed. All my information has been taken from the public media be it Telegraph or radio, non of which you challenged. The whole fiasco surrounding the shares issue and MP is very distasteful to say the least. A true time line of events with evidence has never been published and we as fans have been caught in the middle and divided. Let's be honest though, I don't really need to meet in private for you to let me in on how it really is, the fans need to know how it really is, warts and all to stop the division amongst fans. This though, shows your character more than anything, controlling and on your terms. You don't want to answer those questions in the public arena or publish the facts for us ignorant fools to eat humble pie that's your call. If I have ever been proven wrong in anything I do, I hold my hands up and apologise when needed. For that to happen though, I need facts and evidence. I used to blow smoke up your rear end but over the years and the slip into the abyss I have lost faith in you. That's why I feel the questions I asked need to be addressed. Come and visit me at Merry Hill, Dudley during the week for that one on one and I will look forward to publishing the facts and the meeting along with my humble apology. Dave. |
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Well this has been a bery interesting read! But god i wish the next 2 weeks would hurry the intercourse up
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Personally I can't see why you're not addressing the questions raised on here Mr Fenty. Surely the public forum is more wide reaching than a face-to-face chat where your words will reach only 1 person. These questions are eating away at the club once again. You can address them once and for all here and now.
Or aren't YOU man enough?
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Maybe under a confidentiality agreement with other ex board members some of the answers are not allowed to be published in a public forum. just a thought.
You mean the MP interview published in the telegraph or when the MP interview was aired on radio wasn't part of that confidentiality. |
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If you want to talk to me one on one, you can come and visit me at Merry Hill, Dudley during the week but only if you have the answers to my questions and that I can scan and publish them on here.
I have met you and spoken many times, Terry can confirm that. I have always found you straight forward in person but behind the scenes a different character. Let me explain why, I know that you tried to have me banned and I know that you were considering taken legal action not only against me but others for what was said before the fishy was closed. All my information has been taken from the public media be it Telegraph or radio, non of which you challenged.
The whole fiasco surrounding the shares issue and MP is very distasteful to say the least. A true time line of events with evidence has never been published and we as fans have been caught in the middle and divided. Let's be honest though, I don't really need to meet in private for you to let me in on how it really is, the fans need to know how it really is, warts and all to stop the division amongst fans.
This though, shows your character more than anything, controlling and on your terms. You don't want to answer those questions in the public arena or publish the facts for us ignorant fools to eat humble pie that's your call.
If I have ever been proven wrong in anything I do, I hold my hands up and apologise when needed. For that to happen though, I need facts and evidence. I used to blow smoke up your rear end but over the years and the slip into the abyss I have lost faith in you. That's why I feel the questions I asked need to be addressed.
Come and visit me at Merry Hill, Dudley during the week for that one on one and I will look forward to publishing the facts and the meeting along with my humble apology.
Dave.
Is that a mental home??? Send me the links to thease undisputed bits and pieces then. I will meet Mr Fenty for you if you are comming the old soldier one. You have siad things as fact, but i cannot back that up with what i recall. A and banned from what!!!!! have you been very naughty before then!!!!! |
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You mean the MP interview published in the telegraph or when the MP interview was aired on radio wasn't part of that confidentiality.
Sorry what I meant is not all the facts about share and what goes on behind closed doors will possibly be allowed to be made public without permission from others, it was a general statement but I may be corrected by the powers that be |
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Is that a mental home??? Send me the links to thease undisputed bits and pieces then. I will meet Mr Fenty for you if you are comming the old soldier one.
You have siad things as fact, but i cannot back that up with what i recall.
A and banned from what!!!!! have you been very naughty before then!!!!!
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Yes we have gone down and down in the last 10 or so years,
BUT
Does anybody think John Fenty is working against the good of the club,
Yes he has made mistakes haven't we all ?
At the end of the day all he has done is try to help the club he loves to the best of his ability,
Maybe you will say , he has done a bad job of it,
However you can not deny he has put many hours and money in trying to make it work,
Lets hope this season is the start of the climb back up the leagues,
Then all this Fenty bashing will stop on here,
Its getting rather boring now.
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Returning to the topic, I think I speak for most people in saying that fans are relatively happy with what we've got so far. Arguably, as experience shows us is that the difference between a good side that can get into the playoffs and a side that will go onto win promotion is a striker that will get you 20-30 goals in a season. The past two seasons have shown us that, and we've just run out of steam at the final hurdle.
Unfortunately, the past two seasons we've been unlucky as the player that could have been the difference was out injured. No disrespect to Ross Hannah, but imagine if we'd had a fully fit Liam Hearn banging in the goals and creating chances on top of what we'd already had? The point is, we've done well without a goalscoring striker but it hasn't been enough to gain promotion. As I understand, we have one of the bigger budgets in the league and we've built a good side so far. But we need to make this count by having that goalscoring striker.
I don't know the facts regarding the Bogle, some people allege that the gap between what Solihull wanted and what we offered was £7/8000. No one knows for sure, for me personally I don't buy that story. For me the problem has been Hurst's transfer policy approach, which hasn't worked with regard to bringing in a striker. It should have been the first transfer he made, because it was one of our biggest problems last season. Waiting and waiting for a striker to drop his demands and come along doesn't necessarily work with good strikers, as it may do with other players in other positions, because they are difficult to find and are in high demand. What I seem to think has happened, is that Hurst (as he said in the Telegraph at the start of the transfer window), believed there to be a pool of high quality players and was happy to wait and be frugal, only to realise that these players have been snapped up, with some having turned us down. He later comes out and says there aren't enough quality strikers in the market. My point is, is that I think Hurst has been slow to tackle the problem and now only has a limited number of options.
If we managed to bring in that striker, I think this team can push for the title. Otherwise, I think it'll be a similar season to the last couple.
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Returning to the topic, I think I speak for most people in saying that fans are relatively happy with what we've got so far. Arguably, as experience shows us is that the difference between a good side that can get into the playoffs and a side that will go onto win promotion is a striker that will get you 20-30 goals in a season. The past two seasons have shown us that, and we've just run out of steam at the final hurdle.
Unfortunately, the past two seasons we've been unlucky as the player that could have been the difference was out injured. No disrespect to Ross Hannah, but imagine if we'd had a fully fit Liam Hearn banging in the goals and creating chances on top of what we'd already had? The point is, we've done well without a goalscoring striker but it hasn't been enough to gain promotion. As I understand, we have one of the bigger budgets in the league and we've built a good side so far. But we need to make this count by having that goalscoring striker.
I don't know the facts regarding the Bogle, some people allege that the gap between what Solihull wanted and what we offered was £7/8000. No one knows for sure, for me personally I don't buy that story. For me the problem has been Hurst's transfer policy approach, which hasn't worked with regard to bringing in a striker. It should have been the first transfer he made, because it was one of our biggest problems last season. Waiting and waiting for a striker to drop his demands and come along doesn't necessarily work with good strikers, as it may do with other players in other positions, because they are difficult to find and are in high demand. What I seem to think has happened, is that Hurst (as he said in the Telegraph at the start of the transfer window), believed there to be a pool of high quality players and was happy to wait and be frugal, only to realise that these players have been snapped up, with some having turned us down. He later comes out and says there aren't enough quality strikers in the market. My point is, is that I think Hurst has been slow to tackle the problem and now only has a limited number of options.
If we managed to bring in that striker, I think this team can push for the title. Otherwise, I think it'll be a similar season to the last couple.
Relatively happy with what? The prospect of Shop and Hannah as our strike force while we are trialling another non scoring striker? You say that we need a striker who will score 20-30 goals this season and we are £8000 out on Bogle, well do the maths. That represents 500 fans on one home gate or 20 fans per home game through a season or less than 0.3% of the clubs debt. |
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Relatively happy with what? The prospect of Shop and Hannah as our strike force while we are trialling another non scoring striker? You say that we need a striker who will score 20-30 goals this season and we are £8000 out on Bogle, well do the maths. That represents 500 fans on one home gate or 20 fans per home game through a season or less than 0.3% of the clubs debt.
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Relatively happy with what? The prospect of Shop and Hannah as our strike force while we are trialling another non scoring striker? You say that we need a striker who will score 20-30 goals this season and we are £8000 out on Bogle, well do the maths. That represents 500 fans on one home gate or 20 fans per home game through a season or less than 0.3% of the clubs debt.
With who we've signed so far in Mackreth, Brown, Nsiala, Arnold and Magnay. If you read my post in full, you'll find that most of it is criticising the fact we don't have a goalscorer. |
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With who we've signed so far in Mackreth, Brown, Nsiala, Arnold and Magnay. If you read my post in full, you'll find that most of it is criticising the fact we don't have a goalscorer.
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Personally I can't see why you're not addressing the questions raised on here Mr Fenty. Surely the public forum is more wide reaching than a face-to-face chat where your words will reach only 1 person. These questions are eating away at the club once again. You can address them once and for all here and now.
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Another game where we played quite well but failed to take chances and the manager looks for "positives".
Meanwhile Jon Parkin signs for Forest Green. I am not saying that Parkin in particular would have been the answer to our prayers but the reason he signed for FG and was willing to make the long trek from the north was money. If PH had been really interested, a player like Parkin might well have come here for a bit less than he will get at FG though apparently still more than PH (really JF) is willing to shell out.
That is the problem with us fans calling for a proper striker signing. The fact is that proven strikers cost money. Where are you going to get a good one with a decent record without spending? Taking on injury prone risks and journeymen front runners is only going to lead us into yet another season where the pressure is on the defence to grind out results whatever formation PH tries.
I don't doubt that some of PH's signings this close season are pretty reasonable but none of them score goals, none of them make a statement of intent to our rivals and none of them enthuse the supporters and make them think "geez this is a good player, he could make our season".
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Another game where we played quite well but failed to take chances and the manager looks for "positives".
Meanwhile Jon Parkin signs for Forest Green. I am not saying that Parkin in particular would have been the answer to our prayers but the reason he signed for FG and was willing to make the long trek from the north was money. If PH had been really interested, a player like Parkin might well have come here for a bit less than he will get at FG though apparently still more than PH (really JF) is willing to shell out.
That is the problem with us fans calling for a proper striker signing. The fact is that proven strikers cost money. Where are you going to get a good one with a decent record without spending? Taking on injury prone risks and journeymen front runners is only going to lead us into yet another season where the pressure is on the defence to grind out results whatever formation PH tries.
I don't doubt that some of PH's signings this close season are pretty reasonable but none of them score goals, none of them make a statement of intent to our rivals and none of them enthuse the supporters and make them think "geez this is a good player, he could make our season".
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Returning to the topic, I think I speak for most people in saying that fans are relatively happy with what we've got so far. Arguably, as experience shows us is that the difference between a good side that can get into the playoffs and a side that will go onto win promotion is a striker that will get you 20-30 goals in a season. The past two seasons have shown us that, and we've just run out of steam at the final hurdle.
Unfortunately, the past two seasons we've been unlucky as the player that could have been the difference was out injured. No disrespect to Ross Hannah, but imagine if we'd had a fully fit Liam Hearn banging in the goals and creating chances on top of what we'd already had? The point is, we've done well without a goalscoring striker but it hasn't been enough to gain promotion. As I understand, we have one of the bigger budgets in the league and we've built a good side so far. But we need to make this count by having that goalscoring striker.
I don't know the facts regarding the Bogle, some people allege that the gap between what Solihull wanted and what we offered was £7/8000. No one knows for sure, for me personally I don't buy that story. For me the problem has been Hurst's transfer policy approach, which hasn't worked with regard to bringing in a striker. It should have been the first transfer he made, because it was one of our biggest problems last season. Waiting and waiting for a striker to drop his demands and come along doesn't necessarily work with good strikers, as it may do with other players in other positions, because they are difficult to find and are in high demand. What I seem to think has happened, is that Hurst (as he said in the Telegraph at the start of the transfer window), believed there to be a pool of high quality players and was happy to wait and be frugal, only to realise that these players have been snapped up, with some having turned us down. He later comes out and says there aren't enough quality strikers in the market. My point is, is that I think Hurst has been slow to tackle the problem and now only has a limited number of options.
If we managed to bring in that striker, I think this team can push for the title. Otherwise, I think it'll be a similar season to the last couple.
Mostly agree with what you say Dave, what is the secret though? stick or gamble regarding getting in players early, its seems that teams like FGR and Luton go early and dare, it seems sometime it works and most times it does not, me I`m not as patience as Hurst and would just go by my gut feeling and get in early (like he did with the others) you have to gamble with strikers |
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We've still got signings to make and haven't played our strongest yet. I've got a real feeling that the goals will come in the league.
Your optimism does you credit! Yes. I realise there are signing(s) to make but my point is we need a really good one not just one with potential that falls flat again. |
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I seldom post on here these days but do still read a lot of the threads and this one I find quite alarming from start to finish. Feel free to disagree but at this stage the key questions with 2 Promotion spots up for grabs should probably be something like....
Q Is the assembled squad good enough to win the League?
A Probably not
Q Is the assembled squad good enough to make the Play Offs?
A Probably yes
Q Is Paul Hurst and his team tactically astute enough to gain Promotion?
A On what I have seen under him in sole charge No but I do believe he should have been given the opportunity this Season
Q Will the floating/non STH fans come out and support Hurst and his teams style of football
A Being 1 of the above not if the style is load into LJL repeat fail repeat
Q Should Hurst change his style of play to suit the fans?
A No he should play the style that best suits his players but he should not complain if the fans don't like what they see.
Q Should JF insist on a change of style to get more bums on seats?
A No he should let the Manager do his job but stress the importance of revenue from home gates in excess of 3500 if we are winning well at home most weeks instead of the drab scraping of points were used to.
Q Does JF need to spend loads of money to guarantee success?
A No he should just support the Manager financially with sensible support of realistic targets.
Q How can the GTFC fans be more supportive and help the team?
A The easy fix is create a better atmosphere for home games JF and the Trust should work on this immediately.
Q What do Hurst,Fenty and the fans all have in common?
A They all want GTFC to do well and go one better than last 2 Seasons
Q Where do they all want to be in 12Months time ?
A To be moaning like intercourse about having to journey to Pompey on opening day of the League 2 fixtures next year.
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I really don't think Fenty has the time or inclination to debate the budget with saddoes on the internet. Saying "I'm John Fenty" in a post doesn't make it true.
I have a flat tummy and a massive schlong.
See, I just checked and I don't.
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I really don't think Fenty has the time or inclination to debate the budget with saddoes on the internet. Saying "I'm John Fenty" in a post doesn't make it true
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I really don't think Fenty has the time or inclination to debate the budget with saddoes on the internet. Saying "I'm John Fenty" in a post doesn't make it true.
I have a flat tummy and a massive schlong.
See, I just checked and I don't.
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I am fence sitter on the Fenty question, I often stand in his corner because I do not like posters calling him when he does not have a chance to reply, Now we know Getyourfactsright is John Fenty, I will leave it up to John to defend himself, One last thing,,, Please John just put your hand in your pocket one more time and get the goal scorer we need to get out of this league, If you do that and we get promoted, You will be the best thing since sliced bread on here. |
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All arguments aside, all i know is that for the first time in 42 years supporting Town, i'm not in the least bit excited at the prospect of another footy season starting. I feel no buzz whatsoever and am on holiday for our first 3 games. It would have once vexed me greatly to miss the start of the season but i'm no longer bothered. Don't know who or what is responsible for this state of affairs but something is amiss with my beloved club. |
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All arguments aside, all i know is that for the first time in 42 years supporting Town, i'm not in the least bit excited at the prospect of another footy season starting. I feel no buzz whatsoever and am on holiday for our first 3 games. It would have once vexed me greatly to miss the start of the season but i'm no longer bothered. Don't know who or what is responsible for this state of affairs but something is amiss with my beloved club.
As a fan for very nearly 50 years now, I'm with you mate. I left last season having no faith in Paul Hurst and start this season with probably even less in the man. The playoffs were not a lottery as some here would like to believe. Cambridge were by far the best team out of the last 4 and deservedly got promoted. We never ever looked like being good enough. Yes, we probably will reach the playoffs again this year based on a solid defence and nicking the odd goal but unless we improve dramatically at the top end we are doomed to ultimate failure again. Our home form last year was appalling for a supposedly promotion bound team! Complete unability to break down teams who come to park the bus, and many that didn't come to that! So what's going to be different this season??? |
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With or without the title you are the Chairman of the football club I support. This is a professional football club where I would hope they at all times act with dignity, truth and professionalism. I have not always supported the way you conduct yourself Mr Fenty but I have always admired the way you are always willing to answer supporters queries. All I ask is please for the sake of this club and my own sanity, get off this messageboard and rise above everything you read on here! If you do want to continue to post on here. Do not use Emoji's, do not use the word LOL and do not patronise the people that still support this club in it's darkest hour. This is not my cricket club and you are not my teenage sister. Stop acting like it.
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With or without the title you are the Chairman of the football club I support. This is a professional football club where I would hope they at all times act with dignity, truth and professionalism. I have not always supported the way you conduct yourself Mr Fenty but I have always admired the way you are always willing to answer supporters queries. All I ask is please for the sake of this club and my own sanity, get off this messageboard and rise above everything you read on here! If you do want to continue to post on here. Do not use Emoji's, do not use the word LOL and do not patronise the people that still support this club in it's darkest hour. This is not my cricket club and you are not my teenage sister. Stop acting like it.
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As a fan for very nearly 50 years now, I'm with you mate. I left last season having no faith in Paul Hurst and start this season with probably even less in the man. The playoffs were not a lottery as some here would like to believe. Cambridge were by far the best team out of the last 4 and deservedly got promoted. We never ever looked like being good enough. Yes, we probably will reach the playoffs again this year based on a solid defence and nicking the odd goal but unless we improve dramatically at the top end we are doomed to ultimate failure again. Our home form last year was appalling for a supposedly promotion bound team! Complete unability to break down teams who come to park the bus, and many that didn't come to that! So what's going to be different this season???
Thank you. I wholeheartedly agree and spent a good few posts saying the same thing. However I fear we would never convince the optimists like GrimRob who believe if we keep grinding our way to 5th place we will eventually be given free promotion out of sympathy in another 10 years. |
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Why shouldn't he come on here and defend himself when people are spouting utter tripe? I think it would be hard for anyone to read constant bullshit about themselves and not come on to defend themselves.
I agree with previous poster in that Fenty is always willing to engage with the fans and doesn't shriek questions which some fans take for granted, and after reading his posts on here I'd say Well done Mr Fenty you speak from the heart, I along with many others do appreciate the financial support you have given this great club over the years in keeping us in existence.
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Why shouldn't he come on here and defend himself when people are spouting utter tripe? I think it would be hard for anyone to read constant bullshit about themselves and not come on to defend themselves.
I agree with previous poster in that Fenty is always willing to engage with the fans and doesn't shriek questions which some fans take for granted, and after reading his posts on here I'd say Well done Mr Fenty you speak from the heart, I along with many others do appreciate the financial support you have given this great club over the years in keeping us in existence.
One question grim74, how do you know it's constant bullshit being spouted by some posters. Proof? Nobody can answer that apart from jf himself |
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Remember the good old days before the advent of the internet?
In the close season:
1) You had no idea who the new players were, what they were like, or if they had any potential.
2) You had no idea what the opposition were like, how much they were (potentially) spending, or what most of their players were like
3) If you talked about the football, you did it for 20 minutes in the pub with your mates before going on and enjoying the rest of the night talking about/doing something more interesting.
4) You had a lot more time on your hands.
In the modern era:
1) You've read reviews of your new players from fans of their old clubs so know they are all rubbish.
2) You've read the daily news about how this club or that club you've never heard of have signed players from a couple of divisions higher.
3) Daily internet discussions about the pros/cons (mostly cons), pluses/minuses (mostly minuses) of the players/team/management/ownership.
4) Lots of porn is close to hand.
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Remember the good old days before the advent of the internet?
In the close season:
1) You had no idea who the new players were, what they were like, or if they had any potential.
2) You had no idea what the opposition were like, how much they were (potentially) spending, or what most of their players were like
3) If you talked about the football, you did it for 20 minutes in the pub with your mates before going on and enjoying the rest of the night talking about/doing something more interesting.
4) You had a lot more time on your hands.
In the modern era:
1) You've read reviews of your new players from fans of their old clubs so know they are all rubbish.
2) You've read the daily news about how this club or that club you've never heard of have signed players from a couple of divisions higher.
3) Daily internet discussions about the pros/cons (mostly cons), pluses/minuses (mostly minuses) of the players/team/management/ownership.
4) Lots of porn is close to hand.
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Is this ethical for an administrator to reveal a posters true identity whoever he/she may be?
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JF 'outed' himself and Rob just confirmed it, which i think is acceptable.
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I know "someone" said they were JF and up to that point it could have been anyone, but for an administrator to confirm the fact was IMO a breach of confidentiality.
So he wants us to know that he reads our posts. As others have said, whilst we pay at the gate and support the club, we have a right to our opinion. Mine remains the same, this has been the most catastrophic period in the clubs history, not entirely due to the major shareholder/chairman/director but he has been the man doing the steering. |
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So he wants us to know that he reads our posts. As others have said, whilst we pay at the gate and support the club, we have a right to our opinion. Mine remains the same, this has been the most catastrophic period in the clubs history, not entirely due to the major shareholder/chairman/director but he has been the man doing the steering.
Whats all that got to do with the subject of breaching confidentialities? Just because its Fenty does not make any difference. Perhaps the admimistrator should reveal ALL posters true identities then? |
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Whats all that got to do with the subject of breaching confidentialities? Just because its Fenty does not make any difference. Perhaps the admimistrator should reveal ALL posters true identities then?
He'd revealed it himself in the same thread. Their wasn't anything confidential to reveal. |
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Is this ethical for an administrator to reveal a posters true identity whoever he/she may be?
Blimey! don`t reveal mine, I don`t want the Gestapo knocking on my door late at night |
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He'd revealed it himself in the same thread. Their wasn't anything confidential to reveal.
You miss my point, up until Getyourfactsright "outed" himself, no one knew whe he was, it could have been anyone pretending to be him, my point is that the admin confirmed it was him, and once again in MY opinion that was breaching confidentiality. It makes no odds to me wether it was Fenty, yourself , myself or the man in the moon, it still breached confidentiality. |
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Am I the only one who thought it was Fenty before he outed himself?
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After all the shite that hit the fan last time do you really think that Admin are going to risk breaching confidentiality without first checking it out? UTMM |
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No confidentiality has been breached. If a poster decides to reveal their name first, confirming it isn't breaching anything. John decided that it would be a good idea to reveal his username and to prevent any more confusion, doubt, name calling, call it what you like, it was confirmed after the revelation was made. It's like an admin repeating something already written on the forum. Nothing controversial about it. If the poster didn't want his identity revealed a: it wouldn't be and b: they wouldn't reveal it themselves in a blaze of undignified glory.
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Am I the only one who thought it was Fenty before he outed himself?
It had occurred to me too. |
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I am fence sitter on the Fenty question,
I often stand in his corner because I do not like posters calling him when he does not have a chance to reply.
One last thing,,, Please John just put your hand in your pocket one more time and get the goal scorer we need to get out of this league
a couple of fishes slipped through the net for one reason or another but were still on it
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And me too. Interesting username too.
The name and the tone of the posts are pretty aggressive and confrontational. Hopefully the light's been seen and that's the end of his posting as it's difficult to see anything good coming from it. EDIT - or maybe not. |
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I think this is probably one of the more moderate and sensible forums around.
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Well, hadn't been on the Fishy for a little bit and hadn't clicked on this page, seems I have missed out on a lot. I have tried to scan read most of the posts and catch up what has been going on.
Firstly if John Fenty is on this board reading fans opinions on a forum like this and defending his record with the club isn't that a good thing? As I have said on another thread I have disagreed with decisions made but respect the fact that John Fenty always has the best interests of the club at heart. I would rather have someone who cares about the club and is passionate about us than someone who is indifferent. And if he is willing to educate on some internal matters of the club that I don't know about then so much the better.
Secondly as regards to the admin breaking confidentiality I tend to agree that if someone wants to reveal who they are then it is fine for the admin to confirm or deny that. I would happily reveal who I am but as I am unknown to everyone but my friends and family I don't really see the point.
Finally am I ever desperate to see the season start again! For all our lack of a striker which I must admit is concerning me it is so depressing to check the Fishy and see another 15 threads on how the entire season has gone to pot because of a couple of friendlies. We have every chance of having a great season and going up, we should at minimum be in contention, the season will bring with it many twists and turns, at the end of it I truly hope (and for some reason really strongly believe this year) we will be celebrating. Over the course of the season there will be many issues we can discuss, should we have made more of an effort to sign back Rodman, or Jennings or ad infinitum. Right now I cannot wait till 2 weeks today and we can discuss the Bristol Rovers game, one that is actually significant to judge things against.
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The name and the tone of the posts are pretty aggressive and confrontational. Hopefully the light's been seen and that's the end of his posting as it's difficult to see anything good coming from it.
EDIT - or maybe not.
Indeed especially when you consider jf to be a journalists wet dream and a pr disaster waiting to happen it's not going to end well!!! I like or should I say i don't like one of his previous posts where he says fans should put up or shut up!!!!!! Well Mr fenty maybe I don't want to 'put up' with your disastrous reign!!!! And I certainly won't 'shut up' so John why don't you run my club properly for once ay? Maybe? We might actually take a step forwards????? I look at what my club has become and it kills me to see what YOU have done. |
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No confidentiality has been breached. If a poster decides to reveal their name first, confirming it isn't breaching anything. John decided that it would be a good idea to reveal his username and to prevent any more confusion, doubt, name calling, call it what you like, it was confirmed after the revelation was made. It's like an admin repeating something already written on the forum. Nothing controversial about it. If the poster didn't want his identity revealed a: it wouldn't be and b: they wouldn't reveal it themselves in a blaze of undignified glory.
Dont have a problem with that, thats not what Grimrob posted, he posted "It is him I set up every account I know who everyone really is in real life" alluding to the fact that he knew something others did not and was prepared to share that information, which IMHO would have been a breach. If JF wishes to surrender his annonimity that is his perogative and probably for the good. End Of. |
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Dont have a problem with that, thats not what Grimrob posted, he posted "It is him I set up every account I know who everyone really is in real life" alluding to the fact that he knew something others did not and was prepared to share that information, which IMHO would have been a breach. If JF wishes to surrender his annonimity that is his perogative and probably for the good. End Of.
So you're changing your stance now? There COULD have been a breach now....? Rob doesn't allude to any fact that he is prepared to share sensitive information at all! You're looking for a conspiracy where there is none! |
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Thanks Pete I don't object to sensible debate criticism or fact being debated.
Okay then so: Championship to non league please explain? It can't be all bad luck Mr fenty? Surely your record says you can't actually manage a football club properly! Why did you publicly back woods then sack him the next day/few days later. Why did you/the board even appoint woods in the first place after his massive run without a win? Why did Mr Parker leave? How come nothing has been done to combat the atmosphere at homes games? As you know we have fantastic away support. We need to translate that in the home ends! Why don't we swap the ponny with the ozzy and see how it goes? Keeping the ponny closed? Just an opinion? Or at least have one stand closed? |
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Thanks Pete I don't object to sensible debate criticism or fact being debated. I certainly will not at every touch and turn respond to dislikes, misprints or press statement which may not be right, but when there are some that don't have a clue about a distant event and spout their opinion as fact, and it's distasteful not just to me but past directors you may well see me respond. I love the fans to speculate and debate the club we love, but it's sad that we see the running down of players even before they have signed, managers and those at the the club alike. Saw one poster that said, if a player didn't sign because they couldn't take criticism then we don't want them. Ge wiz it's hard enough to get them to the club / Grimsby however much we love it, it is not the place everyone wants to come to. Oh and just for the record for others, I never tried to get the Fishy shut down, just asked for it to be moderated in accordance with reasonable rules. Rules which all sign up to. Rob decided to shut it down in an admission it wasn't moderated sufficiently. Anyone who I made contact with regarding a particular type of posting I naturally pursued with one intent!!! For them to behave. I actually encouraged the New Fishy to start. I like to see the fans general debate and opinion occasionally, the danger is, so do players and not everyone can take what they read. Onwards and let's hope upwards with sensible debate..UTM
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Whats all that got to do with the subject of breaching confidentialities? Just because its Fenty does not make any difference. Perhaps the admimistrator should reveal ALL posters true identities then?
Some of us aready have Perks a while ago. I'm Mez Redgrift and ive been supporting town since my dad took me when I was 8. Im 40 now. Anyway I could care if it breaches confidentiality but that's just me I think we all know how Les is lol. |
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Sometimes I do think as fans some questions should remain within the football club. Im one of these who supports town and will continue to do so but that doesn't give me some form of right to know everything that goes on in the boardroom. As long as the club is financially sound and were heading in the right direction im happy enough. Ive had my moans but I do think some questions that are being raised in here should be answered personally face to face. Personally I dont want to know every little bit that goes on behind the scenes. MP chose to leave GY whatever the circumstances he's no longer involved so I'll leave it there.
I do have one question John Fenty. Are we close to signing that 20+ striker and is the Bogle deal dead?
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My thoughts are fenty shouldnt get involved with the fishy, telegraph,radio ull or any other media outlets, let someone like dave smith do the press official statements. Smithy is well liked already in the building and wouldnt get certain fans agitated like fenty does
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Indeed especially when you consider jf to be a journalists wet dream and a pr disaster waiting to happen it's not going to end well!!!
I like or should I say i don't like one of his previous posts where he says fans should put up or shut up!!!!!! Well Mr fenty maybe I don't want to 'put up' with your disastrous reign!!!! And I certainly won't 'shut up' so John why don't you run my club properly for once ay? Maybe? We might actually take a step forwards????? I look at what my club has become and it kills me to see what YOU have done.
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How come nothing has been done to combat the atmosphere at homes games? As you know we have fantastic away support. We need to translate that in the home ends! Why don't we swap the ponny with the ozzy and see how it goes? Keeping the ponny closed? Just an opinion? Or at least have one stand closed?
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We did swap ends before after the club said the Osmond would be better for the home fans,
It did not work, us fans were very pleased to return to the Ponny.
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Sometimes I do think as fans some questions should remain within the football club. Im one of these who supports town and will continue to do so but that doesn't give me some form of right to know everything that goes on in the boardroom. As long as the club is financially sound and were heading in the right direction im happy enough. Ive had my moans but I do think some questions that are being raised in here should be answered personally face to face. Personally I dont want to know every little bit that goes on behind the scenes. MP chose to leave GY whatever the circumstances he's no longer involved so I'll leave it there.
I do have one question John Fenty. Are we close to signing that 20+ striker and is the Bogle deal dead?
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Okay then so:
Championship to non league please explain? It can't be all bad luck Mr fenty? Surely your record says you can't actually manage a football club properly!
Why did you publicly back woods then sack him the next day/few days later. Why did you/the board even appoint woods in the first place after his massive run without a win?
Why did Mr Parker leave?
How come nothing has been done to combat the atmosphere at homes games? As you know we have fantastic away support. We need to translate that in the home ends! Why don't we swap the ponny with the ozzy and see how it goes? Keeping the ponny closed? Just an opinion? Or at least have one stand closed?
Because fans do not want that! At least I certainly do not! According to wikipedia in the 80's this switch was tried (before my time so i am having to trust wiki) and it was unpopular. I have posted before the Pontoon is the stand I choose to go in when at BP and to sing in, that is my choice. While many things can be put at those in charge of the club the burden of creating a positive atmosphere at Blundell Park has to be put on us fans, otherwise what are we doing to make our club great? |
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How come nothing has been done to combat the atmosphere at homes games? As you know we have fantastic away support. We need to translate that in the home ends! Why don't we swap the ponny with the ozzy and see how it goes? Keeping the ponny closed? Just an opinion? Or at least have one stand closed?
We did swap ends before after the club said the Osmond would be better for the home fans, It did not work, us fans were very pleased to return to the Ponny. [/quote] Remember the time that your on about Pete, and it didn't sit right with me tbh. The ponny is our home end and always should be IMO, but would be open to the idea of going behind the goal which ever way were shooting. Open the lower findus and let the fans walk through and put the away fans in the corner between the main stand and the osmond |
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Because fans do not want that! At least I certainly do not! According to wikipedia in the 80's this switch was tried (before my time so i am having to trust wiki) and it was unpopular. I have posted before the Pontoon is the stand I choose to go in when at BP and to sing in, that is my choice. While many things can be put at those in charge of the club the burden of creating a positive atmosphere at Blundell Park has to be put on us fans, otherwise what are we doing to make our club great?
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You do not have to trust Wiki mate,
I was one of the fans that was moved to the Osmond,
It did not work, we were all pleased to return to the Ponny.
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That's that then!!!
I guess it'll pick up when we are doing well! But I've said the for a few years and it still doesn't pick up.
I guess us fans have been so demoralised and been kicked in the balls that many times in John's reign we just accept it now?
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Cheers Pete, saw your post after I had already posted. Am not surprised it didn't work tbh, I would of been quite upset and desperate to return. How long did it last for?
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We only represent a small minority of fans on here but im guessing a lot of the moaners at BP are those that have seen town play most in the old div2 etc. Since being in the conference these fans probably the older ones are finding it harder to adjust. It would be interesting to see the age group of these fans that constantly moan. I moan if weve played crap but usually walking home after the game. I dont get on players backs in the stadium, well I dont make it known thats for sure more under my breath. Well all want town to do well but I dont think there is an answer to this as some accept it and others just wont.
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My thoughts are fenty shouldnt get involved with the fishy, telegraph,radio ull or any other media outlets, let someone like dave smith do the press official statements. Smithy is well liked already in the building and wouldnt get certain fans agitated like fenty does
So you think that JF should take any amount of criticism, both professional and sometimes personal, on a GTFC message board but abstain from any form of reply - how bizarre! He's allowed to be shot at but not shoot back Some posters criticise him on purely GTFC matters out of a love for the club and that is fine.But I also get the impression that some do it on a more personal level and could ( I stress could ! ) have some kind of personal agenda with him. We have already had one poster claim that JF tried to have him banned ( from Blundell Park I assume) and it seems like his tirades are more personally motivated which have IMO no place on this site. |
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We only represent a small minority of fans on here but im guessing a lot of the moaners at BP are those that have seen town play most in the old div2 etc. Since being in the conference these fans probably the older ones are finding it harder to adjust. It would be interesting to see the age group of these fans that constantly moan. I moan if weve played crap but usually walking home after the game. I dont get on players backs in the stadium, well I dont make it known thats for sure more under my breath. Well all want town to do well but I dont think there is an answer to this as some accept it and others just wont.
Being down here is new to all of us, Over the years ( nearly 60 now ) I have seen us go up and down the divisions like a yo yo, I feel sorry for my granddaughter and the ones of a similar age, We introduced her to the mighty mariners when we were flying high in the old 2 division, She thought winning and going to Wembley was the norm, Since then all she has seen is decline, Well its got to stop some time, lets hope we start the move back up the league this season. |
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Thanks Pete I don't object to sensible debate criticism or fact being debated. I certainly will not at every touch and turn respond to dislikes, misprints or press statement which may not be right, but when there are some that don't have a clue about a distant event and spout their opinion as fact, and it's distasteful not just to me but past directors you may well see me respond. I love the fans to speculate and debate the club we love, but it's sad that we see the running down of players even before they have signed, managers and those at the the club alike. Saw one poster that said, if a player didn't sign because they couldn't take criticism then we don't want them. Ge wiz it's hard enough to get them to the club / Grimsby however much we love it, it is not the place everyone wants to come to. Oh and just for the record for others, I never tried to get the Fishy shut down, just asked for it to be moderated in accordance with reasonable rules. Rules which all sign up to. Rob decided to shut it down in an admission it wasn't moderated sufficiently. Anyone who I made contact with regarding a particular type of posting I naturally pursued with one intent!!! For them to behave. I actually encouraged the New Fishy to start. I like to see the fans general debate and opinion occasionally, the danger is, so do players and not everyone can take what they read. Onwards and let's hope upwards with sensible debate..UTM
Thanks for the reply John, You said a couple of fishes have slipped through the net, BUT I would not call Parkin a fish, more of a whale |
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As far as my memory tells me ( it's not as good as it use to be ) it lasted for a season, There were lots of complaints and we were reinstated to our home The Ponny
I'm pretty sure it was for two seasons Pete 85-86 for sure because that was the season when we played Arsenal at home in the cup, a game that certainly sticks in the mind and then we were also in that end for the last game of the season where we beat Norwich with Gordon Hobson scoring against the then champions of the 2nd division Then the following season although I was living away then and didn't get to too many games I remember being in the Osmond drawing at home to Leeds and also losing at home to Birmingham Wonder if being at that end of the ground had anything to do with us getting relegated at the end of that season....on second thoughts maybe not. I think it was all down to Mike Lyons running us aground - JF was blameless back then |
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People in public positions surely accept they might pick up some criticism when things under their charge go badly. Likewise they'll receive plaudits when things go well. Mr Fenty accepted being hoisted on fans shoulders at Bournemouth when we stayed up so he should accept some criticism as we start a fifth season in the Conference. I'd suggest the vast majority of criticism isn't personal but about how the club, which he heads, have performed. If I said I'd been into a Tesco's and thought it was crap, who thinks the CEO of Tesco would personally tell me to 'Gimp off'?
Read back through what we know are his posts and some of them are extremely confrontational. Is this the best way for him to deal with fans of the club? I accept he shouldn't have to tolerate personal abuse of him or his family or libellous comments but surely that's what the moderation of this board is for. How many posts of that nature are there anyway? This forum is no worse than any other clubs, in fact I'd suspect that in its current form it's better than most. How many other Chairman do you think are squabbling with fans?
I really do think, going forward that when comments annoy him, in the press, on the radio or on here, that the best thing he could do is take a deep breath and be the bigger man, because stuff like this thread are hardly becoming of a man of his age and in his position.
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People in public positions surely accept they might pick up some criticism when things under their charge go badly. Likewise they'll receive plaudits when things go well. Mr Fenty accepted being hoisted on fans shoulders at Bournemouth when we stayed up so he should accept some criticism as we start a fifth season in the Conference. I'd suggest the vast majority of criticism isn't personal but about how the club, which he heads, have performed. If I said I'd been into a Tesco's and thought it was crap, who thinks the CEO of Tesco would personally tell me to 'Gimp off'?
Read back through what we know are his posts and some of them are extremely confrontational. Is this the best way for him to deal with fans of the club? I accept he shouldn't have to tolerate personal abuse of him or his family or libellous comments but surely that's what the moderation of this board is for. How many posts of that nature are there anyway? This forum is no worse than any other clubs, in fact I'd suspect that in its current form it's better than most. How many other Chairman do you think are squabbling with fans?
I really do think, going forward that when comments annoy him, in the press, on the radio or on here, that the best thing he could do is take a deep breath and be the bigger man, because stuff like this thread are hardly becoming of a man of his age and in his position.
Again, why can't we multiple "like" a post Rob... Superb post. |
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So you think that JF should take any amount of criticism, both professional and sometimes personal, on a GTFC message board but abstain from any form of reply - how bizarre! He's allowed to be shot at but not shoot back Some posters criticise him on purely GTFC matters out of a love for the club and that is fine.But I also get the impression that some do it on a more personal level and could ( I stress could ! ) have some kind of personal agenda with him. We have already had one poster claim that JF tried to have him banned ( from Blundell Park I assume) and it seems like his tirades are more personally motivated which have IMO no place on this site.
For the record, I have no personal grudge against Mr Fenty on any level. I just hope and pray that we return to the Football League ASAP whether it's under his watch or someone else's. I'd also add that at 50, I don't consider that I'm a grumpy old moaner and having started supporting in 1969, I've seen bad Town teams before. Someone brought something up earlier on on another thread about what David Burns said while we were still in the League about us looking like a Conference side in the making. It still galls me - and I know hindsight is a wonderful thing - that a. He got it right and b. We did nothing about it. |
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People in public positions surely accept they might pick up some criticism when things under their charge go badly. Likewise they'll receive plaudits when things go well. Mr Fenty accepted being hoisted on fans shoulders at Bournemouth when we stayed up so he should accept some criticism as we start a fifth season in the Conference. I'd suggest the vast majority of criticism isn't personal but about how the club, which he heads, have performed. If I said I'd been into a Tesco's and thought it was crap, who thinks the CEO of Tesco would personally tell me to 'Gimp off'?
Read back through what we know are his posts and some of them are extremely confrontational. Is this the best way for him to deal with fans of the club? I accept he shouldn't have to tolerate personal abuse of him or his family or libellous comments but surely that's what the moderation of this board is for. How many posts of that nature are there anyway? This forum is no worse than any other clubs, in fact I'd suspect that in its current form it's better than most. How many other Chairman do you think are squabbling with fans?
I really do think, going forward that when comments annoy him, in the press, on the radio or on here, that the best thing he could do is take a deep breath and be the bigger man, because stuff like this thread are hardly becoming of a man of his age and in his position.
It's embarrassing really, the club has seen a massive decline over the last ten years and support has dropped, you would think that those responsible for that failure would be a little less abrasive towards the supporters that still remain and take the criticism on the chin, I don't think that anyone can argue that those in charge of the club over the last 10 years haven't failed in taking it forward. Hopefully the decline has ended and we can start climbing the leagues. |
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So you think that JF should take any amount of criticism, both professional and sometimes personal, on a GTFC message board but abstain from any form of reply - how bizarre! He's allowed to be shot at but not shoot back Some posters criticise him on purely GTFC matters out of a love for the club and that is fine.But I also get the impression that some do it on a more personal level and could ( I stress could ! ) have some kind of personal agenda with him. We have already had one poster claim that JF tried to have him banned ( from Blundell Park I assume) and it seems like his tirades are more personally motivated which have IMO no place on this site.
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How often do the Mariners Trust board members take part in meetings with JF and other board members?
Were they not placed on the board to give us, the fans, a voice? Although certain things have been achieved by having Trust members on the board, it is clear by reading any single thread on this board that our questions/issues/doubts are NOT being answered.
Couldn't it be arranged for a bi-weekly or monthly meeting go ahead with all board members, where the Trust members get to put the fans' questions to JF? Then the meeting minutes could be posted onto the trust website, either for members only (increase membership numbers) or into the public domain for us all to see. That way, we can see the benefit of having trust members there, we can see the work being done by JF, and we can have our worries put to bed.
Of course, not all boardroom matters need to be made public, but I'd just like to see JF and the mariners trust, for the good of the club, join forces and start making some positive noises!!!
This is just an idea I have come up with in the last 15 minutes reading this thread, we clearly need a voice, and the fishy should not be a communication tool between the club and the fans, it is for the fans, by the fans!
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So you're changing your stance now? There COULD have been a breach now....? Rob doesn't allude to any fact that he is prepared to share sensitive information at all! You're looking for a conspiracy where there is none!
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Thanks Pete I don't object to sensible debate criticism or fact being debated. I certainly will not at every touch and turn respond to dislikes, misprints or press statement which may not be right, but when there are some that don't have a clue about a distant event and spout their opinion as fact, and it's distasteful not just to me but past directors you may well see me respond. I love the fans to speculate and debate the club we love, but it's sad that we see the running down of players even before they have signed, managers and those at the the club alike. Saw one poster that said, if a player didn't sign because they couldn't take criticism then we don't want them. Ge wiz it's hard enough to get them to the club / Grimsby however much we love it, it is not the place everyone wants to come to. Oh and just for the record for others, I never tried to get the Fishy shut down, just asked for it to be moderated in accordance with reasonable rules. Rules which all sign up to. Rob decided to shut it down in an admission it wasn't moderated sufficiently. Anyone who I made contact with regarding a particular type of posting I naturally pursued with one intent!!! For them to behave. I actually encouraged the New Fishy to start. I like to see the fans general debate and opinion occasionally, the danger is, so do players and not everyone can take what they read. Onwards and let's hope upwards with sensible debate..UTM
Who accused you of trying to get the fishy shut down? It's clear the Parker shares fiasco will never be answered and is now part of the dark past, sitting next to the underhanded ousting of Bill Carr with the installation of spend happy Huxford et al (You - JF exempt of that sad saga). Without the full time line and facts NO major investor will come forward, are you really oblivious to this. The fans will always be divided on the shares issue surrounding MP's departure, those who are pro you, those who are against you and many like me who just want the truth, warts and all. There are always arguments when ever this is raised and you responded to another poster regarding this very issue which, is why I asked the questions. You are in a position were people will take notice of what you say and will pass judgements on what they see, hear or read. It is in your best interests to make sure that the media doesn't misquote or take your comments out of context. Your blasé approach to media has now shed some light on some of your comments, gaff's and how you have been on the fishy. You talk of players not wanting to come here because they have been run down or scared of being run down. Do you really want players to come to the club that buckle under the slightest pressure. We want players at Town who will fight for every blade of grass, who won't give up, we have had enough of players going through the motions and not putting the effort in. I want the club to succeed, I want you to get every penny back that you have put into the club. If you are going to call people ignorant at least have the decency to educate them on why they are ignorant. If you come on fishy you have to accept that you are not going to like some of the responses, your brother sonik handles himself very well on here. Finally, if you still want to discuss one on one, anything I have ever written on the fishy, the offer of a pint by the canal at Merry Hill, Dudley will be on offer for the next couple of weeks. Dave. |
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Who accused you of trying to get the fishy shut down?
It's clear the Parker shares fiasco will never be answered and is now part of the dark past, sitting next to the underhanded ousting of Bill Carr with the installation of spend happy Huxford et al (You - JF exempt of that sad saga). Without the full time line and facts NO major investor will come forward, are you really oblivious to this.
The fans will always be divided on the shares issue surrounding MP's departure, those who are pro you, those who are against you and many like me who just want the truth, warts and all. There are always arguments when ever this is raised and you responded to another poster regarding this very issue which, is why I asked the questions.
You are in a position were people will take notice of what you say and will pass judgements on what they see, hear or read. It is in your best interests to make sure that the media doesn't misquote or take your comments out of context. Your blasé approach to media has now shed some light on some of your comments, gaff's and how you have been on the fishy.
You talk of players not wanting to come here because they have been run down or scared of being run down. Do you really want players to come to the club that buckle under the slightest pressure. We want players at Town who will fight for every blade of grass, who won't give up, we have had enough of players going through the motions and not putting the effort in.
I want the club to succeed, I want you to get every penny back that you have put into the club. If you are going to call people ignorant at least have the decency to educate them on why they are ignorant. If you come on fishy you have to accept that you are not going to like some of the responses, your brother sonik handles himself very well on here.
Finally, if you still want to discuss one on one, anything I have ever written on the fishy, the offer of a pint by the canal at Merry Hill, Dudley will be on offer for the next couple of weeks.
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Erm excuse me but where's my invite haha :p
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Open invite unless one on one with JF
Thanks Marinerz93 I doubt I'll get chance tbh. well I'll be going to the first home game of the season with the old man so I'll be in the imp unless its shut down would love to bump into some fellow fishies in fact I probably have at some point lol. |
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Does it really matter what JF says on here or indeed anywhere else? Nothing he says and nothing that posters say to him will alter the fact that we have become a slightly above average Conference club clinging to solvency by the skin of its teeth. As things stand, that will be our status for the foreseeable future.
All the talk, posts, forums, exhortations to get behind the team and supporters shareholdings in the world will make no difference whatsoever. There is only one person who can do anything about it and if he is serious he should read the title of this thread again before it is too late.
If he wants to see the club in the League with a decent stadium then the one and only way is to put up and shut up. Get the players, get the results, get the points, get the promotion and he will get the supporters.
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Yeah Bill Carr was a good chairman but didn't refuse to play Jevons as it would have activated a further payment to Everton or was that Furnaeux
and who was it that paid Zheng Enhua 12k aweek crazy lol. That could have crippled the ckub and BC would have been seen in a different light.
The first was Furneaux. The second was both Doug Everritt and Bryan Huxford who cruelly ousted Bill Carr in that season, two people who are astonishingly always omitted from the intercourse up this club is currently in. Those two have a lot to answer for about the clubs predicament they also sacked Buckley from his second spell after a 1-1 with Portsmouth the second game in to the season! A gaggle of sharp objects those two. |
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Seems I've missed a lot by not reading this thread from the start.
Nice to see JF giving yet another superb lesson in club PR again. I'd love us to be able to have a thread dedicated to putting all our questions that John could perhaps answer, could be interesting (or a total flipping disaster)
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The first was Furneaux. The second was both Doug Everritt and Bryan Huxford who cruelly ousted Bill Carr in that season, two people who are astonishingly always omitted from the intercourse up this club is currently in. Those two have a lot to answer for about the clubs predicament they also sacked Buckley from his second spell after a 1-1 with Portsmouth the second game in to the season! A gaggle of sharp objects those two.
Oh thats shocking. I was 16 when I started going to town games during buckleys first reign. But couldn't remember boardroom antics back then it didn't interest me as you can imagine. |
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As far as my memory tells me ( it's not as good as it use to be ) it lasted for a season, There were lots of complaints and we were reinstated to our home The Ponny
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People in public positions surely accept they might pick up some criticism when things under their charge go badly. Likewise they'll receive plaudits when things go well. Mr Fenty accepted being hoisted on fans shoulders at Bournemouth when we stayed up so he should accept some criticism as we start a fifth season in the Conference. I'd suggest the vast majority of criticism isn't personal but about how the club, which he heads, have performed. If I said I'd been into a Tesco's and thought it was crap, who thinks the CEO of Tesco would personally tell me to 'Gimp off'?
Read back through what we know are his posts and some of them are extremely confrontational. Is this the best way for him to deal with fans of the club? I accept he shouldn't have to tolerate personal abuse of him or his family or libellous comments but surely that's what the moderation of this board is for. How many posts of that nature are there anyway? This forum is no worse than any other clubs, in fact I'd suspect that in its current form it's better than most. How many other Chairman do you think are squabbling with fans?
I really do think, going forward that when comments annoy him, in the press, on the radio or on here, that the best thing he could do is take a deep breath and be the bigger man, because stuff like this thread are hardly becoming of a man of his age and in his position.
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I'm pretty sure it was for two seasons Pete 85-86 for sure because that was the season when we played Arsenal at home in the cup, a game that certainly sticks in the mind and then we were also in that end for the last game of the season where we beat Norwich with Gordon Hobson scoring against the then champions of the 2nd division Then the following season although I was living away then and didn't get to too many games I remember being in the Osmond drawing at home to Leeds and also losing at home to Birmingham Wonder if being at that end of the ground had anything to do with us getting relegated at the end of that season....on second thoughts maybe not. I think it was all down to Mike Lyons running us aground - JF was blameless back then
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I'm pretty sure it was for two seasons Pete 85-86 for sure because that was the season when we played Arsenal at home in the cup, a game that certainly sticks in the mind and then we were also in that end for the last game of the season where we beat Norwich with Gordon Hobson scoring against the then champions of the 2nd division Then the following season although I was living away then and didn't get to too many games I remember being in the Osmond drawing at home to Leeds and also losing at home to Birmingham Wonder if being at that end of the ground had anything to do with us getting relegated at the end of that season....on second thoughts maybe not. I think it was all down to Mike Lyons running us aground - JF was blameless back then
Norwich were class that season, and that was a great end to the season for us - Gordon Hobson was also a class act that game and deserved his goal ' at the Pontoon end', I remember, before being signed by Southampton I think. After that, it's been downhill 'in terms of divisional status' up to the present day. Also, on the theme of this thread, I'm not quite sure how Town have ended up in the Conference League (for the last 5 years) but 'the fact' is this is where we are. |
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The first was Furneaux. The second was both Doug Everritt and Bryan Huxford who cruelly ousted Bill Carr in that season, two people who are astonishingly always omitted from the intercourse up this club is currently in. Those two have a lot to answer for about the clubs predicament they also sacked Buckley from his second spell after a 1-1 with Portsmouth the second game in to the season! A gaggle of sharp objects those two.
Great post I remember the club paying massive sums of money to players on loan who couldn't give 2 hoots about GTFC. Left when we down, left us with no sell on value and very few players. L.L can take some blame too, the loans were his idea. The reported 12k + family put up and regular flights back to China that a certain player cost us, also cost us our best player (one of the best we've ever had) in Peter Handyside. Rated over 1 mil at the time left at the end of his contract cos he couldn't get a game here...Applause for L.L please. The sacking of A.B was quite frankly embarrassing and made us the laughing stock of football. Even the mention of Huxford makes my blood boil and how he gets away scot free(RATS leaving the sinking ship) is beyond me. I dont blame J.F, take a look at how far Pompey and Leeds have fallen because of mis-management by a previous board, both far bigger clubs than us with much greater resources to bounce back. Huxford you will never be forgiven....not by me at least  |
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Great post I remember the club paying massive sums of money to players on loan who couldn't give 2 hoots about GTFC. Left when we down, left us with no sell on value and very few players. L.L can take some blame too, the loans were his idea. The reported 12k + family put up and regular flights back to China that a certain player cost us, also cost us our best player (one of the best we've ever had) in Peter Handyside. Rated over 1 mil at the time left at the end of his contract cos he couldn't get a game here...Applause for L.L please. The sacking of A.B was quite frankly embarrassing and made us the laughing stock of football. Even the mention of Huxford makes my blood boil and how he gets away scot free(RATS leaving the sinking ship) is beyond me. I dont blame J.F, take a look at how far Pompey and Leeds have fallen because of mis-management by a previous board, both far bigger clubs than us with much greater resources to bounce back. Huxford you will never be forgiven....not by me at least
We paid a Chinese gent £13,000 per week for 3 months, That's £169,000 , what we could do with that sort of money today. |
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We paid a Chinese gent £13,000 per week for 3 months,
That's £169,000 , what we could do with that sort of money today.
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The osmond, IMHO, would need revamping if it was to house more than 200 supporters week in week out. It makes logical sense to move the away supporter ( ) into the corner of the main/osmond |
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i've always thought the main stand is the worst viewing area. The sun(occasionally) blinds, the posts get in the way, often the wind is into the main stand too. I think the away fans should be in there and the osmond,pontoon & Findus for home fans.
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Surely that would be an incredible waste of resources and potentially advantageous to visiting teams?! As long as we are a conference team where many away followings are significantly less than 100, they'll be rattling around in the main stand, not using 9/10ths of it but still requiring staff and facilities, and electricity and police etc. most of it inefficient, underused and wasting money and time. The best best place for away fans at BP, as long as we remain in this league, is indeed the osmond/main stand corner.
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Yes point taken...still I think its a shame we cant have Town fans behind both goals. Would need a lot more thought I guess.
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Great post I remember the club paying massive sums of money to players on loan who couldn't give 2 hoots about GTFC. Left when we down, left us with no sell on value and very few players. L.L can take some blame too, the loans were his idea. The reported 12k + family put up and regular flights back to China that a certain player cost us, also cost us our best player (one of the best we've ever had) in Peter Handyside. Rated over 1 mil at the time left at the end of his contract cos he couldn't get a game here...Applause for L.L please. The sacking of A.B was quite frankly embarrassing and made us the laughing stock of football. Even the mention of Huxford makes my blood boil and how he gets away scot free(RATS leaving the sinking ship) is beyond me. I dont blame J.F, take a look at how far Pompey and Leeds have fallen because of mis-management by a previous board, both far bigger clubs than us with much greater resources to bounce back. Huxford you will never be forgiven....not by me at least
When all left the ship, what about the ITV collapse, Who inherited that along with masive tax debts, JF did, but as i see it he has steadied the ship, its now a matter of time before we get some good football fortune, there is only one man to thank for that as we still have a football club. |
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When all left the ship, what about the ITV collapse, Who inherited that along with masive tax debts, JF did, but as i see it he has steadied the ship, its now a matter of time before we get some good football fortune, there is only one man to thank for that as we still have a football club.[b][/b]
Does anyone actually believe that this is the case? i dont think the club would be any lower down the leagues had we folded and started again. I am also pretty sure as a league club that someone would have taken us on, they may not have done any better but i doubt they could have done much worse. |
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When all left the ship, what about the ITV collapse, Who inherited that along with masive tax debts, JF did, but as i see it he has steadied the ship, its now a matter of time before we get some good football fortune, there is only one man to thank for that as we still have a football club.
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We all agree that money has (continually) been wasted on a crock of 5hit over the past years. Now, let's get behind the crock of 5hit we have now instead  |
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We all agree that money has (continually) been wasted on a crock of 5hit over the past years. Now, let's get behind the crock of 5hit we have now instead Bit harsh, call yourself a supporter
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When all left the ship, what about the ITV collapse, Who inherited that along with masive tax debts, JF did, but as i see it he has steadied the ship, its now a matter of time before we get some good football fortune, there is only one man to thank for that as we still have a football club.
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Does anyone actually believe that this is the case? i dont think the club would be any lower down the leagues had we folded and started again. I am also pretty sure as a league club that someone would have taken us on, they may not have done any better but i doubt they could have done much worse.
Would you please explain to me and a few other doubters on how we could fold, Start again with no money and get promoted, Where are the players that would play for Town for less money than the current team, AND Why are they not here now ? Awaits your answer. |
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Would you please explain to me and a few other doubters on how we could fold, Start again with no money and get promoted, Where are the players that would play for Town for less money than the current team, AND Why are they not here now ? Awaits your answer.
It was fine for Wimbledon, chester and Halifax, they both had to start totally from scratch, if you look at teams of comparable size the fans have managed to keep the club alive and some are now doing better than ourselves having folded, if we reformed in any league we would still attract a couple of thousand fans, this would be enough to pay our way through the lower non-league. At the time Fenty took over, we were a league club, teams were not punished for Administration and we would have been available practically debt free for someone to take over a far better prospect than we are now. No clubs have ceased to exist, even in the worst cases of mismanagment the club's still exist Darlo and Stockport still exist, they are shite but they still exist, to say we wouldn't have a club without Fenty is an absolute nonsense and its the typical scared attitude that has seen many fans accept our pathetic fortunes over the last 10 years. |
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It was fine for Wimbledon, chester and Halifax, they both had to start totally from scratch, if you look at teams of comparable size the fans have managed to keep the club alive and some are now doing better than ourselves having folded, if we reformed in any league we would still attract a couple of thousand fans, this would be enough to pay our way through the lower non-league. At the time Fenty took over, we were a league club, teams were not punished for Administration and we would have been available practically debt free for someone to take over a far better prospect than we are now.
No clubs have ceased to exist, even in the worst cases of mismanagment the club's still exist Darlo and Stockport still exist, they are shite but they still exist, to say we wouldn't have a club without Fenty is an absolute nonsense and its the typical scared attitude that has seen many fans accept our pathetic fortunes over the last 10 years.
Wimbledon managed it because of their location LONDON, Chester are only in our league because Hereford went bust, Halifax are no better than us but are in a more central part of the country to attract players, So I can not agree with your answer, I think we will have to agree to disagree.  |
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Wimbledon managed it because of their location LONDON, Chester are only in our league because Hereford went bust, Halifax are no better than us but are in a more central part of the country to attract players, So I can not agree with your answer, I think we will have to agree to disagree.
thats just nonsense, wimbledon are in the league because they have been well run and they have been paying players, their location has had minimal effect on their progress, the fact that they pull over 3.5k fans a week has allowed them to be competetive enough to be promoted. How are Scunny doing so much better than us when its only 20 minutes away? they get less fans? it is a bigger shitehole? I read today that since Fenty became major shareholder we have slipped 52 places. |
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thats just nonsense, wimbledon are in the league because they have been well run and they have been paying players, their location has had minimal effect on their progress, the fact that they pull over 3.5k fans a week has allowed them to be competetive enough to be promoted. How are Scunny doing so much better than us when its only 20 minutes away? they get less fans? it is a bigger shitehole?
I read today that since Fenty became major shareholder we have slipped 52 places.
How can you say a London club does not have an advantage over us, How many players have they got to choose from compared to us ? There are hundreds of players in the London area that could play for Wimbledon without moving house or too much travel, How many can Grimsby call on ? We have a hard job getting players to come to Grimsby now on the wages being paid, How many would come if we were offering less, Think about it. |
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How can you say a London club does not have an advantage over us,
How many players have they got to choose from compared to us ?
There are hundreds of players in the London area that could play for Wimbledon without moving house or too much travel,
How many can Grimsby call on ?
We have a hard job getting players to come to Grimsby now on the wages being paid,
How many would come if we were offering less,
Think about it.
I see you've ignored my questions regarding scunny, care to have a crack at them? I'm saying the advantage is neglible and it certainly should have been when we where in the league, Footballers do live outside of London and although it is massively populated it also has loads of clubs competing for talent, our location doesn't help us but it is certainly not a big factor in our decline, the 2 clubs within 30 miles of us have been quite capable of attracting the players to be successful, think about it! |
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I see you've ignored my questions regarding scunny, care to have a crack at them?
I'm saying the advantage is neglible and it certainly should have been when we where in the league, Footballers do live outside of London and although it is massively populated it also has loads of clubs competing for talent, our location doesn't help us but it is certainly not a big factor in our decline, the 2 clubs within 30 miles of us have been quite capable of attracting the players to be successful, think about it!
I give up  I bet you are a student or under 25, We have been above Scunny all the time apart from the last ten years, How old is our club ? I am taking the dog for a walk now, I will get more sense out of her. , |
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The other London/Manchester/big city argument is loanees and trialists. Am sure that it's easier for clubs like Colchester, Southend, brentford to get these players on short term loans or contracts.
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I give up I bet you are a student or under 25, We have been above Scunny all the time apart from the last ten years, How old is our club ? I am taking the dog for a walk now, I will get more sense out of her. ,
I'm not sure what my age or occupation has to do with anything but i'm older than that and in full time employment. I am aware that the club has been around since 1878 and that we have been far more successful than Scunny, but how come Scunny have been able to attract the players to be successful in the same 10 years that Grimsby haven't? this is the 10 years we are talking about in this thread though, the 10 years that we have had the same leadership at the club. |
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because scunny have flourished and punched above their weight the last 10 years whilst we have dropped?
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thats just nonsense, wimbledon are in the league because they have been well run and they have been paying players, their location has had minimal effect on their progress, the fact that they pull over 3.5k fans a week has allowed them to be competetive enough to be promoted. How are Scunny doing so much better than us when its only 20 minutes away? they get less fans? it is a bigger shitehole?
I read today that since Fenty became major shareholder we have slipped 52 places.
Fenty took over in 2004 after Dudley Ramsden's got us relegated to Div2 see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.....2003.E2.80.932005.29Financial crisis and relegation (2003–2005) section He has only took us to one relegation all be it out the league, we also went to a playoff final as well though. |
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Fenty took over in 2004 after Dudley Ramsden's got us relegated to Div2 see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.....2003.E2.80.932005.29Financial crisis and relegation (2003–2005) section He has only took us to one relegation all be it out the league, we also went to a playoff final as well though.
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Took over as chairman in 2004, became major shareholder in 2002/3 season with Furneaux as chair.
No he became a share holder in 2002/2003 but sold all his shares in late 2003 came back in 2004-2005 as a major share holder when Ramsden bailed. this was after we had been relegated to Div 2 see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.....2003.E2.80.932005.29 |
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thats just nonsense, wimbledon are in the league because they have been well run and they have been paying players, their location has had minimal effect on their progress, the fact that they pull over 3.5k fans a week has allowed them to be competetive enough to be promoted.[/b] How are Scunny doing so much better than us when its only 20 minutes away? they get less fans? it is a bigger shitehole?[b]
I read today that since Fenty became major shareholder we have slipped 52 places.
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I don't know what part of the country you live Headingly but please show some respect for the people who live in this area of Lincolnshire,Why would you call it a shitehole ?. I don't go around calling other towns shiteholes.
Most of grimsby is a shithole but its my shithole |
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Most of grimsby is a shithole but its my shithole
Sorry Dapperz but I don't agree with you,I think the town is decent in most areas. |
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And I don't get the mentality that says that you are a bottom licker because you don't advocate the continual retrospective pillorying of JF. Does that make us even?
I'm not advocating constant pillorying of JF. But fair criticism of anyone is justified. My point was, some people don't want any criticism of players, owners, managers full stop. I don't understand that. It really is one step away from praise for the glorious leader. So no we're not even. |
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Thanks for shedding some light in the Parker / shares issue. However, I feel that the BIG questions that has been posed many times is
1. Why was MP allowed to buy more shares than JF considering the club shares rule comes under rule 9.
2. Who / whom sanctioned these additional shares.
3. Why did it take several months before rule 9 all of a sudden became an issue.
4. Why wasn't some of the benign debt converted to shares to match the acquired shares by MP.
5. Why haven't the minutes for the meetings been released were JF and MP agreed on how to fund the club, ie shares / loans.
6. Why can't all of JF's benign debt be converted to shares.
Looking forward to your reply.
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Personally I can't see why you're not addressing the questions raised on here Mr Fenty. Surely the public forum is more wide reaching than a face-to-face chat where your words will reach only 1 person. These questions are eating away at the club once again. You can address them once and for all here and now.
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Am I the only one who thought it was Fenty before he outed himself?
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I don't know what part of the country you live Headingly but please show some respect for the people who live in this area of Lincolnshire,Why would you call it a shitehole ?. I don't go around calling other towns shiteholes.
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Apologies for any offence caused, I simply don't understand how we can't attract quality players because of our location and Scunny manage it.
I've always thought the location argument was a bit of a red herring Grimsby is in a no worse location than say Carlisle, Morecambe, Hartlepool to name a few and whilst they might have troubles of their own attracting players and then persuading them to sign on the dotted line, they're arguably better at it than we are We're out on a limb in some respects here on the East Coast but it's not totally the back of beyond....within 75 miles or so there's a substantial catchment area for us to try and tap in to In some ways it says more about the ambition of a certain kind of player if they aren't interested in playing for our club with its heritage and potential It's not stopped lads like Shaun Pearson coming here and developing his game and his future prospects so there must be others out there....it's just up to the club to sell what we have and what we could have |
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I've always thought the location argument was a bit of a red herring
Grimsby is in a no worse location than say Carlisle, Morecambe, Hartlepool to name a few and whilst they might have troubles of their own attracting players and then persuading them to sign on the dotted line, they're arguably better at it than we are
We're out on a limb in some respects here on the East Coast but it's not totally the back of beyond....within 75 miles or so there's a substantial catchment area for us to try and tap in to
In some ways it says more about the ambition of a certain kind of player if they aren't interested in playing for our club with its heritage and potential
It's not stopped lads like Shaun Pearson coming here and developing his game and his future prospects so there must be others out there....it's just up to the club to sell what we have and what we could have
Location is a problem it always has been |
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Location is a problem it always has been
Well I like it |
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Well I like it
Yeh i do but second rate footballers from the midlands/yorkshire/down south dont seem keen the silly basts |
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Nowt wrong with our area. Cleethorpes is a great place to live, we have the wolds on our doorstep, events like the airshow, a top notch shopping centre considering the size of the place, loads of beaver and fish n chips!
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Nowt wrong with our area. Cleethorpes is a great place to live, we have the wolds on our doorstep, events like the airshow, a top notch shopping centre considering the size of the place, loads of beaver and fish n chips!
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My original statement was that a London club like Wimbledon have a lot better chance of picking up decent players than we have.
Parts of Grimsby and Cleethorpes have very nice area's to live in,
Plus there numerous villages that are very attractive,
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We do not have the amount of players to look at and try to entice to sign than a London club.
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My original statement was that a London club like Wimbledon have a lot better chance of picking up decent players than we have.
Parts of Grimsby and Cleethorpes have very nice area's to live in,
Plus there numerous villages that are very attractive,
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We do not have the amount of players to look at and try to entice to sign than a London club.
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My original statement was that a London club like Wimbledon have a lot better chance of picking up decent players than we have.
Parts of Grimsby and Cleethorpes have very nice area's to live in,
Plus there numerous villages that are very attractive,
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We do not have the amount of players to look at and try to entice to sign than a London club.
Yeh thats true but weve lost players to the likes of wrexham/gateshead proper shitholes |
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That's not the reason we have suffered 3 relegations though is it?
That's a different question, We have been poor for over ten years, Bad managers and bad signings, Some people might even go so far as to say, a bad chairman !!!!!!!! |
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Apologies for any offence caused, I simply don't understand how we can't attract quality players because of our location and Scunny manage it.
I haven't made a study of Scunny's fortunes but they certainly benefited from being able to sell some of their better players a few years ago. Admittedly they used the money wisely. It is worth noting that recently they appeared to be gravitating back to their natural level until their "new" chairman, who I believe is heavily involved in the Wilkos chain stepped in. Money talks ... |
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I haven't made a study of Scunny's fortunes but they certainly benefited from being able to sell some of their better players a few years ago. Admittedly they used the money wisely. It is worth noting that recently they appeared to be gravitating back to their natural level until their "new" chairman, who I believe is heavily involved in the Wilkos chain stepped in. Money talks ...
Scunny got lucky imo in that the physio turned out to be a decent manager so i suggest we sack hurst and install dave moore as manager its that simple |
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Scunny got lucky imo in that the physio turned out to be a decent manager so i suggest we sack hurst and install dave moore as manager its that simple
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Scunny already tried Dave Moore.
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the trick is to find decent players, develop them and only sell them once you know you have an excellent upcoming star to replace them with. Not entirely sure what Southampton are up to but you'd hope for England's sake they won't go out and buy average European players instead of relying on developing more home-grown stars.
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I've always thought the location argument was a bit of a red herring
Grimsby is in a no worse location than say Carlisle, Morecambe, Hartlepool to name a few and whilst they might have troubles of their own attracting players and then persuading them to sign on the dotted line, they're arguably better at it than we are
We're out on a limb in some respects here on the East Coast but it's not totally the back of beyond....within 75 miles or so there's a substantial catchment area for us to try and tap in to
In some ways it says more about the ambition of a certain kind of player if they aren't interested in playing for our club with its heritage and potential
It's not stopped lads like Shaun Pearson coming here and developing his game and his future prospects so there must be others out there....it's just up to the club to sell what we have and what we could have
I don't think it's a red herring, our location ( not necessarily the area ) doesn't help. Scunthorpe is 36 miles closer to South Yorkshire and the league clubs that are there. It might not seem a lot but it all adds up to commuting time and travel costs especially if you don't want to uproot your family and move here. The thing about London and any of the big cities is that you can have a progressing career from being a Youth Player to your twilight career with several clubs at all levels and not have to leave your local area. Morecambe is close to the Manchester area , with loads of clubs in that district at varying levels in the Football Pyramid. We know the surrounding areas, such as the Wolds, are very picturesque coupled with some lovely villages and small towns but I don't think this is widely known in other parts of the country. |
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I haven't made a study of Scunny's fortunes but they certainly benefited from being able to sell some of their better players a few years ago. Admittedly they used the money wisely. It is worth noting that recently they appeared to be gravitating back to their natural level until their "new" chairman, who I believe is heavily involved in the Wilkos chain stepped in. Money talks ...
But surely the point is, how did they attract those players in the first place? They don't have a big support and they have a Town that isn't very appealing, yet they consistently do better than us and attract better players. You have to speculate to accumulate and we don't seem very good at signing promising players and selling them on for a profit. It does happen occasionally, but nowhere near enough. |
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But surely the point is, how did they attract those players in the first place? They don't have a big support and they have a Town that isn't very appealing, yet they consistently do better than us and attract better players.
You have to speculate to accumulate and we don't seem very good at signing promising players and selling them on for a profit. It does happen occasionally, but nowhere near enough.
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